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**gusecrync** · 07-10-2010, 07:35 PM

What he seems to be saying is wrong...

Mawlana tahanwi (rahmatullahi alayh) has a brilliant discussion on this. He talks about some Sufis who were Musawi and some who were Isawi .

But then he told us the Musawi and Isawi models were 2 ways from the brilliant depth of the Muhammadan(saw) way....

Based on my experience with reading various articles of his in Urdu in his al-Risala journal, the reason for his bringing in the model of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salaam) has nothing to do with tasawwuf or whatever Shaykh Ashraf Ali al-Thanvi was discussing in terms of sufis. Mr. Wahiduddin Khan seems to be using this as a means of further supporting his known stance against jihad. Because at the end of the day, he knows that the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) waged jihad on the battlefield himself numerous times and he knows he'd be a fool to deny this publicly because of it being an undeniable fact. Thus, the only recourse he has is to try and adopt the model of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salaam) and using that ayah as so called "proof" for his viewpoint. So in essence, by him grasping on to the model of Sayyiduna Isa, he has effectively gotten rid of any *past* precedence set forth for jihad fi sabilillaah on the battlefield by the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam), at least in his mind. BUT...he has another problem to deal with...the *Future* jihad fi sabilillaah spoken about by the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) that will be waged by Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salam) and al-Mahdi (alayhi al-salaam) towards the end of times as foretold in numerous hadiths that reach the rank of tawaatur as per our Sunni aqaa'id. So how does he now deal with this *future* foretelling of jihad fi sabilillah on the battlefield? He takes that belief of returning to the model of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salam) one step further by stating that those hadiths foretelling the return of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salam) and his fighting the Dajjal is NOT referring to his physical return, but merely advocating the return of Muslims to the "model" of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salam). So by saying this, he has now effectively (in his mind) gotten rid of any *future* foretelling of jihad fi sabilillah on the battlefielf. What remains now is his problem with the narrations discussing the coming of al-Mahdi (alayhi al-salam) and his fighting the Kuffar. And so how does he get rid of this? He takes it one more step further by stating that al-Mahdi is one and the same as Sayyiduna Isa (alayhima al-salam) by relying on to that one obscure and weak hadith in the Sunan of ibn Maajah and ignoring all the others that differentiate between the two. So now, he feels content that he has gotten rid of any past and future precedences and foretellings of jihad fi sabilillah in the shariah, and this is what he is known for in India, as being an extreme pacifist who will do anything, even if it means to demean the uswah of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) to "prove" his viewpoint on jihad. If you really study his recent articles, you will see that all of it comes down to this basic point of his, i.e. jihad. He thinks that anyone who disagrees with this then he does not know what true jihad is and what Islam stands for. He seems to forget that our ulama have explained the fiqh of jihad in great details proving that our religion is the most peaceful religion, that we're the ones who allowed non-Muslims to practice their religion under our guard, and that we're the ones who gave them rights within our judicial systems, and our books of fiqh make it clear that we do NOT use jihad to cause chaos, mayhem, anarchy, and dissensions in the lands even if some absolutely idiotic Muslims today think that this is justified. I mean, how low can one can stoop to to attack the uswah of our Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) in proving their own personal viewpoints? How can a man who proclaims to be a Muslim even wake up in the morning and live a life after having written such trash? May Allah ta'ala Protect us from uttering or believing such baatil, aameen.

07-10-2010, 07:35 PM	#11
gusecrync Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 530 Senior Member	What he seems to be saying is wrong... Mawlana tahanwi (rahmatullahi alayh) has a brilliant discussion on this. He talks about some Sufis who were Musawi and some who were Isawi . But then he told us the Musawi and Isawi models were 2 ways from the brilliant depth of the Muhammadan(saw) way.... Based on my experience with reading various articles of his in Urdu in his al-Risala journal, the reason for his bringing in the model of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salaam) has nothing to do with tasawwuf or whatever Shaykh Ashraf Ali al-Thanvi was discussing in terms of sufis. Mr. Wahiduddin Khan seems to be using this as a means of further supporting his known stance against jihad. Because at the end of the day, he knows that the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) waged jihad on the battlefield himself numerous times and he knows he'd be a fool to deny this publicly because of it being an undeniable fact. Thus, the only recourse he has is to try and adopt the model of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salaam) and using that ayah as so called "proof" for his viewpoint. So in essence, by him grasping on to the model of Sayyiduna Isa, he has effectively gotten rid of any past precedence set forth for jihad fi sabilillaah on the battlefield by the Prophet (Sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam), at least in his mind. BUT...he has another problem to deal with...the Future jihad fi sabilillaah spoken about by the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) that will be waged by Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salam) and al-Mahdi (alayhi al-salaam) towards the end of times as foretold in numerous hadiths that reach the rank of tawaatur as per our Sunni aqaa'id. So how does he now deal with this future foretelling of jihad fi sabilillah on the battlefield? He takes that belief of returning to the model of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salam) one step further by stating that those hadiths foretelling the return of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salam) and his fighting the Dajjal is NOT referring to his physical return, but merely advocating the return of Muslims to the "model" of Sayyiduna Isa (alayhi al-salam). So by saying this, he has now effectively (in his mind) gotten rid of any future foretelling of jihad fi sabilillah on the battlefielf. What remains now is his problem with the narrations discussing the coming of al-Mahdi (alayhi al-salam) and his fighting the Kuffar. And so how does he get rid of this? He takes it one more step further by stating that al-Mahdi is one and the same as Sayyiduna Isa (alayhima al-salam) by relying on to that one obscure and weak hadith in the Sunan of ibn Maajah and ignoring all the others that differentiate between the two. So now, he feels content that he has gotten rid of any past and future precedences and foretellings of jihad fi sabilillah in the shariah, and this is what he is known for in India, as being an extreme pacifist who will do anything, even if it means to demean the uswah of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) to "prove" his viewpoint on jihad. If you really study his recent articles, you will see that all of it comes down to this basic point of his, i.e. jihad. He thinks that anyone who disagrees with this then he does not know what true jihad is and what Islam stands for. He seems to forget that our ulama have explained the fiqh of jihad in great details proving that our religion is the most peaceful religion, that we're the ones who allowed non-Muslims to practice their religion under our guard, and that we're the ones who gave them rights within our judicial systems, and our books of fiqh make it clear that we do NOT use jihad to cause chaos, mayhem, anarchy, and dissensions in the lands even if some absolutely idiotic Muslims today think that this is justified. I mean, how low can one can stoop to to attack the uswah of our Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) in proving their own personal viewpoints? How can a man who proclaims to be a Muslim even wake up in the morning and live a life after having written such trash? May Allah ta'ala Protect us from uttering or believing such baatil, aameen.
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