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Old 01-12-2012, 02:22 PM   #1
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Default Austrians and Germans
What is your opinion on this? Are Austrians just Germans with a different political label or are they a viable separate ethnic group from the Germans? And what physical differences do you think exist between the two groups?

Wikipedia:

An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, often consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and/or an ideology that stresses common ancestry or endogamy.[1][2][3] Another definition is "...a highly biologically self-perpetuating group sharing an interest in a homeland connected with a specific geographical area, a common language and traditions, including food preferences, and a common religious faith".[4] Wikipedia about Austrians:

Austrians (German: Österreicher) are a nation and ethnic group, consisting of the population of the Republic of Austria and its historical predecessor states who share a common Austrian culture and Austrian descent.[15]
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:41 PM   #2
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The idea that Austrians are a separate ethnic group is relative new, in the mid 19th century, the German confederation was still led by Austria and not by Prussia as you can see here (even the flag was already black-red-gold): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Prussian_War
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:04 PM   #3
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The idea that Austrians are a separate ethnic group is relative new, in the mid 19th century, the German confederation was still led by Austria and not by Prussia as you can see here (even the flag was already black-red-gold): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Prussian_War
True, but is it still not possible for a new ethnic group to emerge? Or how long until they are considered a separate ethnic group? In my view, they look very similar to Bavarians in culture and language, and since Bavarians are considered German obviously, why aren't Austrians as well.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:06 PM   #4
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I think up to the defeat of Third Reich in 1945 most of the Austrian proudly considered themselves German and had a strong desire to join their brothers in the north. However, things changed after 1945 with the emergence of Austrian Nationalism. Many Austrian try to distance themselves from German as much as possible to avoid any association with the Nazi past and some even go to great length to claim they were victim of Nazi Germany at that time.

I read that in these days only a faction of Austrian (most of the members of Freedom Party) still want to cling with the idea of Greater Germany..
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:13 PM   #5
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It's similar to an extent to:

Moldovans/Romanians
Azeris/Turks
Serbs/Croats
Cypriots/Greeks
Flemish/Dutch
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:49 PM   #6
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It's similar to an extent to:

Moldovans/Romanians
Azeris/Turks
Serbs/Croats
Cypriots/Greeks
Flemish/Dutch
Its not
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Old 01-12-2012, 04:56 PM   #7
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I think that Austrians feel very Germans inside. They just found it hard to deal with the charges for the atrocities of WWΙΙ

Here is the welcome of Hitler in Vienna


Most part of Austria belonged to the Holly Roman Empire of the German Nation, they are all German tribes, they speak German, they like beer and sausages, they have the same culture they support each other in politics, Austria claims to be neutral, but in reality follows the example of Germany etc etc.
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Old 01-12-2012, 05:39 PM   #8
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Austrians are not real Germans. They are mix of Slavs, Germans and Avars (Turkic steppe nomads).
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Old 01-12-2012, 05:47 PM   #9
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Austrians are not real Germans. They are mix of Slavs, Germans and Avars (Turkic steppe nomads).
They look totally different to northern Germans, although they overlap somewhat with south Germans.

They also have very low blondism, I think levels of 10% proper blondism is about right.

I remember speaking to numerous tiroleans who were ethnic Austrian with dark curly hair and very short (5'8 - 5'9) range - it appeared to be the norm.

The 'Adreas Hofer' type (a tirolean nationalist)

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Old 01-12-2012, 06:01 PM   #10
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They look totally different to northern Germans, although they overlap somehat with south Germans.

They also have very low blondism, I think levels of 10% proper blondism is about right.

I remember speaking to numerous tiroleans who were ethnic Austrian with dark curly hair and very short (5'8 - 5'9) range - it appeared to be the norm.

The 'Adreas Hofer' type (a tirolean nationalist)

When I visited Austria I saw many blondes there and most of the people had blue or green eyes. They didn't resemble southern Europeans for example. They looked more Germanic to me. I have the impression that blondism in Austria is much more the 10% you mentioned. I have never met an Austrian with dark curly hair. This is not even that usual in South Europe, where people are quite darker. Dark curly hair is mostly found in northern Africa, Middle East and in South Europe last.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:02 PM   #11
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:16 PM   #12
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When I visited Austria I saw many blondes there and most of the people had blue or green eyes. They didn't resemble southern Europeans for example. They looked more Germanic to me. I have the impression that blondism in Austria is much more the 10% you mentioned. I have never met an Austrian with dark curly hair. This is not even that usual in South Europe, where people are quite darker. Dark curly hair is mostly found in northern Africa, Middle East and in South Europe last.
Where did you visit? Ive been to Linz,Vienna and Tirol. Something worth noting is that around 35% of Vienna is foreign born - the UN headquaters are there for example. In Austira its well over 300,000 are from Yugoslavia alone also. I think you need to visit some rural area to get a good idea of what they're like.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:17 PM   #13
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Josef Fritzl looks like Czech. Arnie looks German.
IMO

Haider is tanned but he looks rather central Euro I believe, also he could maybe pass as British.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:26 PM   #14
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Haider is tanned but he looks rather central Euro I believe, also he could maybe pass as British.
Looks a bit similar to (Irish) Pierce Brosnan as Bond here:



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Old 01-12-2012, 06:37 PM   #15
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When I visited Austria I saw many blondes there and most of the people had blue or green eyes. They didn't resemble southern Europeans for example. They looked more Germanic to me. I have the impression that blondism in Austria is much more the 10% you mentioned. I have never met an Austrian with dark curly hair. This is not even that usual in South Europe, where people are quite darker. Dark curly hair is mostly found in northern Africa, Middle East and in South Europe last.
I think curly hair (and wavy-curly) isn't rare among western europeans. I would say it's more (european standards) a west-east decline. Iberia, France, UK, Italy, Western Germany...have a lot of dark curly/wavy-haired people.

Austria was the epicenter of an empire wich compelled lots of peoples who were already a mix of various historical peoples (celts, rhaetians, slavs, germans, illyrians, hungarians...) It's not an isolated place, you can find many different phenos there.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:37 PM   #16
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Austrians


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Where did you visit? Ive been to Linz,Vienna and Tirol. Something worth noting is that around 35% of Vienna is foreign born - the UN headquaters are there for example. In Austira its well over 300,000 are from Yugoslavia alone also. I think you need to visit some rural area to get a good idea of what they're like.
Actually, I went to rural. Bad Ischl, Bad Goisern and other Upper Austria. The blondes there rule

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I think curly hair (and wavy-curly) isn't rare among western europeans. I would say it's more (european standards) a west-east decline. Iberia, France, UK, Italy, Western Germany...have a lot of dark curly/wavy-haired people.

Austria was the epicenter of an empire wich compelled lots of peoples who were already a mix of various historical peoples (celts, rhaetians, slavs, germans, illyrians, hungarians...) It's not an isolated place, you can find many different phenos there.
It just didn't happen to me to see some. And if any, I guess there are the minority of the minority
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:53 PM   #17
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Austrians are not real Germans. They are mix of Slavs, Germans and Avars (Turkic steppe nomads).
They are more mixed with Slavs than Bavarians, but the part about Avars is BS (Slavic people living within the blurry borders of the Avar Empire would be correct). Nice try, you "Pan-Uralist".
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:55 PM   #18
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Its not
I knew it

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No offence, but you probably don't know what blonde hair is. Arabs tend to think that brown hair is blonde. Like 10% of those people are blonde (excluding the children, and BTW, WHY do people post pictures of children, and excluding those that have dyed their hair).

Actually, I went to rural. Bad Ischl, Bad Goisern and other Upper Austria. The blondes there rule
And you didn't see swarthy Dinarids? WEIRD
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:56 PM   #19
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Andreas Kofler, one of the best (if not the best) skijumpers atm.

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Old 01-12-2012, 07:08 PM   #20
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and let's no forget Inquiring Mind, who's also from Austria.
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