[PekHyvac]

Just for the heck of it i will upload a picture of me. Im half horner half white However i don't think i look all that white, you can clearly see some horner feature in me.

You look Moroccan (or from the Maghreb in general) to me

[Anamehuskeene]

Just for the heck of it i will upload a picture of me. Im half horner half white However i don't think i look all that white, you can clearly see some horner feature in me.

You could pull of being an Israeli Jew.

[CoiI8XIj]

The people in the vid are not all mixed Ethiopians. Most are Somalian and Eritreanm you should change the name of your video, its pretty sad claiming others.

[DoctorWeryDolt]

The woman half Irish / Ethiopia was perfect.Very Beatiful

This shows that the Ethiopians are not black.

The mixture of Ethiopians is much better than mixing with blacks.

[Irrampbroow]

Just for the heck of it i will upload a picture of me. Im half horner half white However i don't think i look all that white, you can clearly see some horner feature in me.

What exactly is your mix? (nationality/ethnicity wise)

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The woman half Irish / Ethiopia was perfect.Very Beatiful

This shows that the Ethiopians are not black.

The mixture of Ethiopians is much better than mixing with blacks.

This doesn't make sense. Ethiopians are black.

[CoenceLomneedtrue]

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This doesn't make sense. Ethiopians are black.

Don't pay him attention. Some will never accept the fact that Black Africans are diverse

[f29sXS07]

wow it looks like Ethiopian genes are not strong at all.

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no offense yall!

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I never expected Iateyourheadphones to believe this

explaining the DNA structure of Ethiopians and how Ethiopians are Caucasians or caucasiod
ethiopians are not black or negroid ethiopians WTH

Dude do you actually believe this?

[compiit]

wow it looks like Ethiopian genes are not strong at all.

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no offense yall!

It's not offensive lol. It seems like Horner genes aren't every strong. I know a few Horner mixes, mostly half habeshas, and they don't look Horner at a glance. When examining their facial features though, it's more noticeable.

[iDzcs7TU]

This shows that the Ethiopians are not black.

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Thats right. Ethiopians are not black and i never saw a black person in my life.
I am not joking.

Here again an ethiopian/swiss model : Jennifer Burri.

She could pass in southern europe/middle east.

[Opening-auto]

Just for the heck of it i will upload a picture of me. Im half horner half white However i don't think i look all that white, you can clearly see some horner feature in me.

You look South-med(don't know if that would make you white or black), I have seen Syrians and North-Africans that look similar to you. Honestly I don't really see the Horner features, but maybe that's because most of the horn Africans I've seen were Somalis, who usually got gracile/less robust features than you do.

Regards,

[cheesypeetyz]

I have seen Syrians and North-Africans that look similar to you. Honestly I don't really see the Horner features,

I don't know if it's horner features or the fact he is mixed but some traits are visible: eyes, maybe ears (could come from the north euro side though), the mouth. I don't know about the nose because there is no profile picture.

But I agree, the facial structure is mediterranean, but some details have something exotic, either from the Horn or from the euro side.

[Espacamlisa]

I don't know if it's horner features or the fact he is mixed but some traits are visible: eyes, maybe ears (could come from the north euro side though), the mouth. I don't know about the nose because there is no profile picture.

But I agree, the facial structure is mediterranean, but some details have something exotic, either from the Horn or from the euro side.

Yes, perhaps you are right, maybe it's just because I'm not used to seeing Horn-african mixes. Most of the mixes with subsaharan africans in Western-Europe are usually West-African.

[hopertveyk]

Thats right. Ethiopians are not black and i never saw a black person in my life.
I am not joking.

Here again an ethiopian/swiss model : Jennifer Burri.

She could pass in southern europe/middle east.

Actually, I can see her Horner/habesha features. She just happens to be lighter skinned and with straight hair, but her face is very habesha looking.

[Pmeidstc]

I think Ethiopian (Horner etc) mixes not looking Ethiopian is exaggerated. Many look like lighter skin Horners that can still pass as locals.

[Pa33anger]

Well I think its because since some people think horners are "black" which would mean they lump them in the category of west africans, who have a different morphology than Horners, therefore they would expect similar standards for how the child would look if it was mixed with a european.


While "bi racial" west african and euro mixes will have both intermediate morphology and hair texture etc; the morphology of horners is somewhat similar to western eurasians hence the only real thing that is intermediate is the skin tone and in some cases (if the horner has a more coarse and thick hair texture which isnt always the case), they would have an intermediate hair texture/color.

Not true, I have seen many horners with more negroid like features, like prognathism, big lips, wide and flat noses etc. Although for the most part not negroid to the same degree as west africans with some exceptions. Some look fully caucasian in terms of facial morphology, but most have some negroid facial features as well.

Its easily explained since horners already are mixed with eurasians, which is where their caucasoid features came from. This also explains why recently mixed horners like those in the video look more "white", because they already have similar admixture since ancient times.

[VipInoLo]

Not true, I have seen many horners with more negroid like features, like prognathism, big lips, wide and flat noses etc. Although for the most part not negroid to the same degree as west africans with some exceptions. Some look fully caucasian in terms of facial morphology, but most have some negroid facial features as well.

Its easily explained since horners already are mixed with eurasians, which is where their caucasoid features came from. This also explains why recently mixed horners like those in the video look more "white", because they already have similar admixture since ancient times.

Well of course Horners are black Africans and much closer to Africans than they are to Eurasians. West Asian admixture is overestimated IMO only a few groups have it in high degree. Also Caucasians don't have monopoly on certain features which I wouldn't call caucasoid and neither do "Negroids" these are archaic terms. I've seen plenty of pure "Caucasians" and non-blacks with all of the supposed "negroid" facial features you list and vice versa. Like straight hair this is not exclusive caucasian trait because most caucasians don't have straight hair like Asians do etc. Also West Africans also don't all look same they are diverse group too.

wider nose
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AZehd-wbnL..._2398x2976.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...GKlApuVaS-8tTd

prognathism
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6...seozo3_500.png

[homerdienru]

Not true, I have seen many horners with more negroid like features, like prognathism, big lips, wide and flat noses etc. Although for the most part not negroid to the same degree as west africans with some exceptions. Some look fully caucasian in terms of facial morphology, but most have some negroid facial features as well.

Its easily explained since horners already are mixed with eurasians, which is where their caucasoid features came from. This also explains why recently mixed horners like those in the video look more "white", because they already have similar admixture since ancient times.

Nothing is that easily explained. Dont be a dumb troll. If your theory was correct then horners I know could not be more "Caucasoid" than you which I would be willing to bet some are. Most of the physical features in Horners can be, and HAVE already been explained by environmental adaptation. In the lastest study it shows that horners have biological adaptations to the highlands. Migration to and Back migration from an area as dry and arid as HERE:

http://myweb.unomaha.edu/~cwurtz/fin...s/image022.jpg

Combined with the fact of prolonged adaptation to a cool highland environment can produce something like the nose we see from Egypt south to nearly the entire Rift Valley. Not only that the high frequency of these features, particularly the straight nose and soft hair is found Not in the assumed more mixed Northern Horners, but the more homogenous Somali.

The features of the FEW Mixed horners I personally known usually have horner tendencies. 2 Kids, Horner/Ghanaian (Guyanese of 100% SSA Ancestry ) both have the long high forehead, round eyes, slim jaw very typical of horners........That said the kids do look very West African.....almost entirely like the father. Another Ethio Gurage / Jamaican has a kid that looks 100% Habesha. I will personally find out in the coming months. Will my child look Horner? Afram? Some other General SSA? Tutsi LOL? Guess we will find out.

IN nearly all these Ethio mixes the features are obviously there. The individuals that see these features as "Ethiopian" features can clearly spot them. Others that see these as some type of "Caucasoid" add-ons to a Negroid base dont know whats going on. What the real discussion should be about is the loss of PIGMENTATION that is usually not lost in a mixture between Sub Saharan Africans and others. The rates of the "light skin" gene as pointed out in the latest paper somewhat explained this but the presence and history of the gene in SSA needs to be further investigated.

[Kausilwf]

Well of course Horners are black Africans and much closer to Africans than they are to Eurasians. West Asian admixture is overestimated IMO only a few groups have it in high degree. Also Caucasians don't have monopoly on certain features which I wouldn't call caucasoid and neither do "Negroids" these are archaic terms. I've seen plenty of pure "Caucasians" and non-blacks with all of the supposed "negroid" facial features you list and vice versa. Like straight hair this is not exclusive caucasian trait because most caucasians don't have straight hair like Asians do etc. Also West Africans also don't all look same they are diverse group too.

wider nose
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AZehd-wbnL..._2398x2976.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...GKlApuVaS-8tTd

prognathism
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6...seozo3_500.png

From the studies and ancestry paintings I have looked at, it seems all horner groups has southwest asian admixture, some have a lot of it, and some have a bit less, but still substantial in pretty much every group. Except the Dinkas if I recall correctly.

But lets be real here, the reason horners have such a high variety of features and high genetic diversity, and why they share many features with both caucasians and negroids is because they have admixture from both of those groups. It seems very unlikely that such similar features would develop in parallel regardless if they both live in arid environments, especially since horners also share the white skin allele with caucasians which surely did not originate in the horn.
Studies like the 2012 Pagani one on Ethiopian Origins also makes it very hard to deny that admixture was a large factor for the modern phenotype in horners.

about those images, that guy might have a wide nose but he still has a high bridge, and the overall shape is entirely different from negroid type noses. I dont see any negroid features in the girl, and finally the last guy has some type of anomalous prognathism, its not the same thing which negroids have which is just a result of their general facial structure and shape.

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Beyoku, be realistic. Its obviously not because of environmental adaptions that horners have similar features as caucasians. Now when there is undeniable evidence of significant southwest eurasian admixture its hard to claim otherwise. The environment probably resulted in elongated body types, but their facial features seem to be primarily the result of sexual selection following the admixture event between negroid like populations and caucasian like populations.

[payporanymn]

^ Uneducated nonsense. There are two studies. One that states Sub Shararan Africans have the highest skintone diversity in the world Here and another study that says Sub Saharans have the highest Cranial diversity and phenotypic variation. Here - I believe in BOTH these studies the Horn of Africa IS NOT SAMPLED.

Your argument is a dumb as saying Indians have dark skin and "Negroid" features because they are mixed with Africans. SURE their are populations in India that are mixed with Africans, but the existence of these admixtures are not needed to explain the skin tone and phenotype variability that occurs naturally in India.

Like I said, post your image and explain how Ethiopians can be more "Caucasoid" that you.

In concluding, we can illustrate the problem in this way using the old three race theory still commonly used by geneticists and forensic anthropologists:

Let A = Africoid, C = Caucasoid, M = Mongoloid; and the monotypic trait types so that in pure form:

A = A monotypic traits
M = M monotypic traits
C = C monotypic traits;
In addition, there are variants to the above traits that are similar to the monotype yet significantly different. Lets label these types:

A2, A3, A4 types,
M2, M3, M4 types,
C2, C3, C4 types;
And also there are variants that don't quite fit any of these patterns (at least not from the non-Eurocentric perspective) such as many South Asians, Australians, etc. For the sake of convenience lets say there are four such types (there are probably more):

D type,
E type,
F type,
G type;
Now, we will take the Eurocentric position and classify all types into the original three monotypic groups:

A does not = A2, A3, A4, M, M2, M3, M4, C, C2, C3, ,C4, D, E, F or G types

M does not = A, A2, A3, A4, M2, M3, M4, C, C2, C3, ,C4, D, E, F or G types

However,

C = A2, A3, A4, M2, M3, M4, C, C2, C3, C4, D, E, F and G types

Armed with such a contrived system, the Eurocentric, hyperdiffusionists can argue just about anything they please without regard to the true facts http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4786/45406653.jpg
The back migrants from Arabia could have very well looked like this:http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_h.../arab_boys.jpg

[BipiewExifese]

^ Uneducated nonsense. There are two studies. One that states Sub Shararan Africans have the highest skintone diversity in the world Here and another study that says Sub Saharans have the highest Cranial diversity and phenotypic variation. Here - I believe in BOTH these studies the Horn of Africa IS NOT SAMPLED.

Your argument is a dumb as saying Indians have dark skin and "Negroid" features because they are mixed with Africans. SURE their are populations in India that are mixed with Africans, but the existence of these admixtures are not needed to explain the skin tone and phenotype variability that occurs naturally in India.

Like I said, post your image and explain how Ethiopians can be more "Caucasoid" that you.



http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4786/45406653.jpg
The back migrants from Arabia could have very well looked like this:http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_h.../arab_boys.jpg

What significance does variation and diversity have in this discussion when both can be influenced by foreign admixture?

I dont know what Indians you have seen but the ones I have seen didnt look negroid at all, although darkskinned. But Indians are mixed similar to horners, but the difference seem to be that Indians have more types of admixture (caucasian, mongoloid, and some tribes even has australoid) and more complicated admixture event(s). Indian phenotypes are also significantly influenced by foreign admixture, horners are no different in that regard.

In regards to your links, australoids and negroids only have superficial similarities like dark skin and hair texture and "wide" features, if you look closely they have very different facial morphology. But im sure you know that. Horners in general have features intermediate between west africans and southwest euroasians, some shift more towards one direction or the other. You could say they have their unique look today but then you can compare with fulanis who look very similar but they are actually west africans mixed with berbers.

Also i definitely do not think the original arabians looked anything like those "arab" boys you posted. They look like descendants of the arabic slave trade, mixed with proper arabians in other words, also if that is the case, then it is interesting how similar they look to horners despite being bantu mixed with arabian.

I think its more likely that the back migrants into the horn looked like bedouins:
http://www.old-picture.com/europe/pictures/Bedouins.jpg