[velichay]

Genetic studies are good and recreating and tracing back the histories of more recent ethnicities like New World Blacks and all the mixes in the New World but shitty in telling tracing and telling history of the parental populations they come from except for Native Americans. I did 23andMe just to look at what my DNA says and yes, ok, it was ok, but it hasn't changed anything as far as how I see myself socially and how others see, I'm still just a nigger to some and a brother to some. This shit is overrated.

EDIT: I should have said personal testing companies to as well. Some of you need to grow the fuck up and act sensible, I don't care if 23andme, DNAtribes, FTDNA or DOCeCAD says you 50% African 50% Eskimo, if was seen as a nigger before the test you still are seen as such after it, don't make up stupid shit.

[daguy]

If that's what you think, then why don't you stop taking part in those discussions? Or, better yet, just leave the forum if all you're going to do is complain.

[Shootohoist]

If that's what you think, then why don't you stop taking part in those discussions? Or, better yet, just leave the forum if all you're going to do is complain.

I'm not complaining, its just fucking funny how some of you look at results and actually believe what you read when it makes no rational sense when you think about every outside of genetics that contradicts what you see in the hard data.

[ttiokjbnhjjillp]

I'm not complaining, its just fucking funny how some of you look at results and actually believe what you read when it makes no rational sense when you think about every outside of genetics that contradicts what you see in the hard data.

You're not in any position to teach me about the origins of my people. I haven't seen any indication that your knowledge about East Africans is anything other than superficial, at best.

As I said, all you do is complain, without any convincing arguments based on concrete evidence. Guess what, moron. Significant non-African admixture in East Africa is not a surprise to anyone with any real knowledge about this region. I don't know why you would get so emotional about it when you have no connections to the people living in this region.

I'm not saying we shouldn't scrutinize the genetic evidence. But you aren't contributing anything of value to the discussion, so you would be better off somewhere else.

[megasprut]

@Bootyman, I kind of disagree with your analysis here! Even though, i do believe that some people here exaggerate at times here, but at the same time I admire some of their efforts. However for me i already know who and what i am from both sides of my family tree, yet for others here they do not have that luxury, and they could only trace their family tree only a few generations, therefore they depend on genetics to provide some of the answers to their questions. Also, Humans have a built in desire to know their ancestry and history, that is why both oral and written societies keep many detail records of their ancestry, which was important. I consider these genetic test to be in some ways an extension of that of knowing who and what your ancestors were. It can also provide detailed information of population settlements, as far as which groups is related to who, or when did a particular population move to their present abode, a good example of that is the so called Bantu migration from Cameroon, which spread throughout central and southern africa.

[Diortarkivoff]

@Bootyman, I kind of disagree with your analysis here! Even though, i do believe that some people here exaggerate at times here, but at the same time I admire some of their efforts. However for me i already know who and what i am from both sides of my family tree, yet for others here they do not have that luxury, and they could only trace their family tree only a few generations, therefore they depend on genetics to provide some of the answers to their questions. Also, Humans have a built in desire to know their ancestry and history, that is why both oral and written societies keep many detail records of their ancestry, which was important. I consider these genetic test to be in some ways an extension of that of knowing who and what your ancestors were. It can also provide detailed information of population settlements, as far as which groups is related to who, or when did a particular population move to their present abode, a good example of that is the so called Bantu migration from Cameroon, which spread throughout central and southern africa.

I agree, its good to know some things but before there was anything called population genetics our idenities were already firmly rooted, not est can change that shit. genetics does a shity job for more ancient populations, thats where it becomes a game of guessing.

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You're not in any position to teach me about the origins of my people. I haven't seen any indication that your knowledge about East Africans is anything other than superficial, at best.

As I said, all you do is complain, without any convincing arguments based on concrete evidence. Guess what, moron. Significant non-African admixture in East Africa is not a surprise to anyone with any real knowledge about this region. I don't know why you would get so emotional about it when you have no connections to the people living in this region.

I'm not saying we shouldn't scrutinize the genetic evidence. But you aren't contributing anything of value to the discussion, so you would be better off somewhere else.

I'm not teaching you jack shit about my your people, IDGAF about that, i question the studies themselves and my knowledge is no worse that the shit I see in here being floated around, I gave my opinions on on both the North African and Ethiopian studies, which is that they answered no long standing questions and left more questions to be answered and they were legit points in IMO. Raw data is raw data, you can arrive at any conclusion using any method you want, when it makes no sense and doesn't match history its a problem. With Aframs our recent history is known, no surprises when you see the ancestry proportions, with problems areas like East and North Africa the picture is anything but clear. I don't accept hard data just because someone says this is so, geneticists know about as much population history as the average person in this forum IMO, they can genotype whoever and if it makes no sense it doesn't.

[constanyiskancho]

one day I will spit in the bottle and send it to 23andme, and for some reason I'm pretty confident that there will be some ashkanazi trace in it + maybe something else, I'm curious to find out what exactly, I dont think that company scams its customers, maybe it makes occasional mistakes, but there is definitely some truth in it

[Duseshoug]

I agree with the title. i dont believe they have correct standard samples to compare with the customer's to make a conclusion for the genetic roots.

[Falik]

I did 23andMe just to look at what my DNA says and yes, ok, it was ok, but it hasn't changed anything as far as how I see myself socially and how others see

Post the results.

[ligeplodore]

I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert on population genetics. However, I don't believe that a person's sense of identity should be dictated by statistical models. A person's sense of national and racial identity should be determined by an organic, concrete sense of kinship, culture and sociopolitical conditions.

[addifttiest]

On my case, my dna reults only reinforced my identity.

[Alex Photographer]

Post the results.

I bet he found out something depressive hence his anger.

[radicalvolume]

one day I will spit in the bottle and send it to 23andme, and for some reason I'm pretty confident that there will be some ashkanazi trace in it + maybe something else, I'm curious to find out what exactly, I dont think that company scams its customers, maybe it makes occasional mistakes, but there is definitely some truth in it

I'm shocked. I thought you'd never get tested.

[Adollobdeb]

I bet he found out something depressive hence his anger.

Myabe he must have the "Condolezza Syndrome"

[DoctorIrokezov]

Myabe he must have the "Condolezza Syndrome"

LOL. "Condoleezza Syndrome." I'm not quite sure that's it in this case. We all know about the admixture. It's not a secret.

[tramadoldiscountes]

LOL. "Condoleezza Syndrome." I'm not quite sure that's it in this case. We all know about the admixture. It's not a secret.

But as he doesn't posts his results, it makes look he has an issue with that.

[wCYvMKAc]

Bootyman's results .

[furious1]

Booty Man probably has his issues with his results.

LOL @ getting tested genetically and then saying

"the tests don't define who I am...blah blah blah.....I'm still 100% Nigga...blah blah blah"

[Gubocang]

My view, I disagree, genetic testing does tell something about ancient peoples, but at the same time autosomal testing on modern populations tell us very little about ancient population movements. That said I do believe some people are milking it on the DNA test, they DO NOT confirm identities.

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On my case, my dna reults only reinforced my identity.

So what if they tested Ricans like Roberto Clemente, would that reinforce his identity since you claim Latinos identify by national identity not race?

[crestosssa]

So what if they tested Ricans like Roberto Clemente, would that reinforce his identity since you claim Latinos identify by national identity not race?

Yes, it would reinforce he is a Puerto Rican of African ancestry.