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**Seerseraxlils** · 01-11-2007, 01:54 PM

Last time I checked first downs and TD's are the most important thing in football.

Carter was the king of both

You must have missed where I said everything is relative.

Most of Carters TDs and catches were indoors. I don't even have to look that up. He played at least 9 indoor games a year at Minny.

Lofton played outdoors. Played in Green Bay, Milwaukee, Buffalo, and in one of the worst fields at the Los Angeles Mosoleum. Hell, Milwaukee County stadium was probably the worst field in the entire league and he played 3 games a year there.

No disrespect to Carter, but Lofton was and is a world-class athlete. To me, that is the difference. Throwing out stats is for baseball.

**mpxricyNimb** · 01-11-2007, 02:04 PM

You must have missed where I said everything is relative.

Most of Carters TDs and catches were indoors. I don't even have to look that up. He played at least 9 indoor games a year at Minny.

Lofton played outdoors. Played in Green Bay, Milwaukee, Buffalo, and in one of the worst fields at the Los Angeles Mosoleum. Hell, Milwaukee County stadium was probably the worst field in the entire league and he played 3 games a year there.

No disrespect to Carter, but Lofton was and is a world-class athlete. To me, that is the difference. Throwing out stats is for baseball.

so you're also in the tarkenton>favre camp

**Nikkytas** · 01-11-2007, 02:21 PM

so you're also in the tarkenton>favre camp

Where is the camp?

Do they have volleyball?

**wpFWNoIt** · 01-11-2007, 02:36 PM

Where is the camp?

Do they have volleyball?

it's at cris carters camp for WR's he runs.

You do know Carter was heavly recurited for basketball as well football? and he runs WR camp to improve Speed, jumping, catching? he's a pretty fine athlete himself.

Young was probably more athletic then Favre, Young>Favre?

**hopertveyk** · 01-11-2007, 02:49 PM

it's at cris carters camp for WR's he runs.

You do know Carter was heavly recurited for basketball as well football? and he runs WR camp to improve Speed, jumping, catching? he's a pretty fine athlete himself.

Young was probably more athletic then Favre, Young>Favre?

everyone > you.

kill this thread.

**BeksTeene** · 01-11-2007, 02:51 PM

it's at cris carters camp for WR's he runs.

You do know Carter was heavly recurited for basketball as well football? and he runs WR camp to improve Speed, jumping, catching? he's a pretty fine athlete himself.

Young was probably more athletic then Favre, Young>Favre?

I didn't know that Carter was heavily recruited for basketball, but I do know that Lofton was NCAA champion in the long jump.

**VanDerSmok** · 01-11-2007, 02:53 PM

it's at cris carters camp for WR's he runs.

You do know Carter was heavly recurited for basketball as well football? and he runs WR camp to improve Speed, jumping, catching? he's a pretty fine athlete himself.

Young was probably more athletic then Favre, Young>Favre?

James Lofton was an olympic-class track athlete. NCAA champ in the long jump. Record holder in his age group (over 40 I think) in 400 meters.

and being great in a long jump and sprints is transferable to WR.

To being a QB, not so much.

Can I not have my opinion with out having you trying to prove it invalid?

You can have yours, I differ, that is all.

It isn't like I called Carter a bum (even though he went ot Ohio St.).

**Intiltern** · 10-31-2007, 06:46 PM

Which WR would you rather have?

or do you think is better

Lofton

764 Catches 14,004 yards 75 TD's

Carter

1,101 catches 13,899 yards 130TD's

**Wheegiabe** · 10-31-2007, 06:49 PM

Which WR would you rather have?

or do you think is better

Lofton

764 Catches 14,004 yards 75 TD's

Carter

1,101 catches 13,899 yards 130TD's

are you really asking this question?

**JakeBarkings** · 10-31-2007, 06:53 PM

yes. i am really asking

**DeedPatmeda** · 10-31-2007, 06:55 PM

are you really asking this question?

Did someone really vote for lofton?

**machpamb** · 10-31-2007, 06:55 PM

Did someone really vote for lofton?

two packer fans

**uphokyhuP** · 10-31-2007, 06:56 PM

lofton 6 seasons of 1000 yards or more recieving

carter 8 (all in a row, loftons were not)

Years of 10+ recieving TDs
Lofton-0. never got more then 8
Carter-6 and 2 at 9

90+ Receptions
Lofton-0 (career high 71, carter had 73 in his final year, not counting miami fiasco, 93-2000 his LOW was 86)
Carter-5

just to help

**Zmniubqr** · 10-31-2007, 07:16 PM

lofton 6 seasons of 1000 yards or more recieving

carter 8 (all in a row, loftons were not)

Years of 10+ recieving TDs
Lofton-0. never got more then 8
Carter-6 and 2 at 9

90+ Receptions
Lofton-0 (career high 71, carter had 73 in his final year, not counting miami fiasco, 93-2000 his LOW was 86)
Carter-5

just to help

So the raw numbers are the only thing that matters? You don't take into account who's playing the opposite WR position, how many pass attempts the team made, etc? Carter played on better teams than Lofton played on for most of their careers. Lofton had John Jefferson as a teammate for a couple of years but had NFLE guys other years.

There's also the rule changes for downfield contact that have inflated passing numbers.

**Clielldub** · 10-31-2007, 07:23 PM

So the raw numbers are the only thing that matters? You don't take into account who's playing the opposite WR position, how many pass attempts the team made, etc? Carter played on better teams than Lofton played on for most of their careers. Lofton had John Jefferson as a teammate for a couple of years but had NFLE guys other years.

There's also the rule changes for downfield contact that have inflated passing numbers.

carter wasnt surrounded with all world talent, moss at the end. Jake Reed got 1000 yards 4 years running, i believe they're still the only duo to have 4 straight 1000 yards recieving.

Carter's career began as Loftons ended. I doubt the change of ERA was that drastic.

Carter had the best hands in NFL history, period. If you needed a tough catch, there is no WR in NFL history i'd rather have then carter, he just needed 1/4 inch from sidelines and to get his finger tips on it...he made tough catches before they changed the rules after the reidel anthony bucs playoff game, he'd have to hold the ball in the air and drag his elbows on the ground on hsi diving catches

**w3QHxwNb** · 10-31-2007, 07:25 PM

carter wasnt surrounded with all world talent, moss at the end. Jake Reed got 1000 yards 4 years running, i believe they're still the only duo to have 4 straight 1000 yards recieving.

Carter's career began as Loftons ended. I doubt the change of ERA was that drastic.

Carter had the best hands in NFL history, period. If you needed a tough catch, there is no WR in NFL history i'd rather have then carter, he just needed 1/4 inch from sidelines and to get his finger tips on it...he made tough catches before they changed the rules after the reidel anthony bucs playoff game, he'd have to hold the ball in the air and drag his elbows on the ground on hsi diving catches

I don't dispute his talent, that he was a great player, or that he should be in the HOF. But playing for Denny Green on a passing team definitely inflated his numbers. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that.

**Prererularl** · 10-31-2007, 07:30 PM

lofton 6 seasons of 1000 yards or more recieving

carter 8 (all in a row, loftons were not)

Years of 10+ recieving TDs
Lofton-0. never got more then 8
Carter-6 and 2 at 9

90+ Receptions
Lofton-0 (career high 71, carter had 73 in his final year, not counting miami fiasco, 93-2000 his LOW was 86)
Carter-5

just to help

Lofton played in 1 fewer games than Carter and has more receiving yards.

As a side note, Sterling Sharpe played in less than half the games as either of them and has far better yards, receptions, and TDs per game than either of them. Should he get into the HOF?

**hoconnor6605** · 10-31-2007, 07:30 PM

All he did was catch TD's

**eXC3Kvnn** · 10-31-2007, 07:30 PM

I don't dispute his talent, that he was a great player, or that he should be in the HOF. But playing for Denny Green on a passing team definitely inflated his numbers. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that.

look at what happened to MN when carter retired. and as i pointed out earlir, look at the QB's Carter had throwing to him, he put great numbers no matter who was throwing the ball.

You honestly believe Lofton was a better wr then carter?

so far no non pack fan (i realize it's small sampling and SB isnt end all) has voted Lofton.

I dont think Bill fans would vote lofton, lofton was second fiddle to Reed.

**idobestbuyonlinepp** · 10-31-2007, 07:31 PM

look at what happened to MN when carter retired. and as i pointed out earlir, look at the QB's Carter had throwing to him, he put great numbers no matter who was throwing the ball.

You honestly believe Lofton was a better wr then carter?

so far no non pack fan (i realize it's small sampling and SB isnt end all) has voted Lofton.

I dont think Bill fans would vote lofton, lofton was second fiddle to Reed.

I honestly believe Lofton was better. Did you actually see Lofton play?

His yards per reception is incredible. He didn't get the benefit of a WCO running short slant type of routes.

01-11-2007, 01:54 PM	#1
Seerseraxlils Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 562 Senior Member	Last time I checked first downs and TD's are the most important thing in football. Carter was the king of both You must have missed where I said everything is relative. Most of Carters TDs and catches were indoors. I don't even have to look that up. He played at least 9 indoor games a year at Minny. Lofton played outdoors. Played in Green Bay, Milwaukee, Buffalo, and in one of the worst fields at the Los Angeles Mosoleum. Hell, Milwaukee County stadium was probably the worst field in the entire league and he played 3 games a year there. No disrespect to Carter, but Lofton was and is a world-class athlete. To me, that is the difference. Throwing out stats is for baseball. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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mpxricyNimb Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	You must have missed where I said everything is relative. Most of Carters TDs and catches were indoors. I don't even have to look that up. He played at least 9 indoor games a year at Minny. Lofton played outdoors. Played in Green Bay, Milwaukee, Buffalo, and in one of the worst fields at the Los Angeles Mosoleum. Hell, Milwaukee County stadium was probably the worst field in the entire league and he played 3 games a year there. No disrespect to Carter, but Lofton was and is a world-class athlete. To me, that is the difference. Throwing out stats is for baseball. so you're also in the tarkenton>favre camp Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Nikkytas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 378 Senior Member	so you're also in the tarkenton>favre camp Where is the camp? Do they have volleyball? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-11-2007, 02:36 PM	#4
wpFWNoIt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 386 Senior Member	Where is the camp? Do they have volleyball? it's at cris carters camp for WR's he runs. You do know Carter was heavly recurited for basketball as well football? and he runs WR camp to improve Speed, jumping, catching? he's a pretty fine athlete himself. Young was probably more athletic then Favre, Young>Favre? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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hopertveyk Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 406 Senior Member	it's at cris carters camp for WR's he runs. You do know Carter was heavly recurited for basketball as well football? and he runs WR camp to improve Speed, jumping, catching? he's a pretty fine athlete himself. Young was probably more athletic then Favre, Young>Favre? everyone > you. kill this thread. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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BeksTeene Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	it's at cris carters camp for WR's he runs. You do know Carter was heavly recurited for basketball as well football? and he runs WR camp to improve Speed, jumping, catching? he's a pretty fine athlete himself. Young was probably more athletic then Favre, Young>Favre? I didn't know that Carter was heavily recruited for basketball, but I do know that Lofton was NCAA champion in the long jump. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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VanDerSmok Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 521 Senior Member	it's at cris carters camp for WR's he runs. You do know Carter was heavly recurited for basketball as well football? and he runs WR camp to improve Speed, jumping, catching? he's a pretty fine athlete himself. Young was probably more athletic then Favre, Young>Favre? James Lofton was an olympic-class track athlete. NCAA champ in the long jump. Record holder in his age group (over 40 I think) in 400 meters. and being great in a long jump and sprints is transferable to WR. To being a QB, not so much. Can I not have my opinion with out having you trying to prove it invalid? You can have yours, I differ, that is all. It isn't like I called Carter a bum (even though he went ot Ohio St.). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-31-2007, 06:46 PM	#8
Intiltern Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 674 Senior Member	James Lofton or Cris Carter Which WR would you rather have? or do you think is better Lofton 764 Catches 14,004 yards 75 TD's Carter 1,101 catches 13,899 yards 130TD's Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Wheegiabe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 411 Senior Member	Which WR would you rather have? or do you think is better Lofton 764 Catches 14,004 yards 75 TD's Carter 1,101 catches 13,899 yards 130TD's are you really asking this question? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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JakeBarkings Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 471 Senior Member	yes. i am really asking Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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DeedPatmeda Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	are you really asking this question? Did someone really vote for lofton? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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machpamb Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	Did someone really vote for lofton? two packer fans Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-31-2007, 06:56 PM	#13
uphokyhuP Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	lofton 6 seasons of 1000 yards or more recieving carter 8 (all in a row, loftons were not) Years of 10+ recieving TDs Lofton-0. never got more then 8 Carter-6 and 2 at 9 90+ Receptions Lofton-0 (career high 71, carter had 73 in his final year, not counting miami fiasco, 93-2000 his LOW was 86) Carter-5 just to help Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-31-2007, 07:16 PM	#14
Zmniubqr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	lofton 6 seasons of 1000 yards or more recieving carter 8 (all in a row, loftons were not) Years of 10+ recieving TDs Lofton-0. never got more then 8 Carter-6 and 2 at 9 90+ Receptions Lofton-0 (career high 71, carter had 73 in his final year, not counting miami fiasco, 93-2000 his LOW was 86) Carter-5 just to help So the raw numbers are the only thing that matters? You don't take into account who's playing the opposite WR position, how many pass attempts the team made, etc? Carter played on better teams than Lofton played on for most of their careers. Lofton had John Jefferson as a teammate for a couple of years but had NFLE guys other years. There's also the rule changes for downfield contact that have inflated passing numbers. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Clielldub Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 518 Senior Member	So the raw numbers are the only thing that matters? You don't take into account who's playing the opposite WR position, how many pass attempts the team made, etc? Carter played on better teams than Lofton played on for most of their careers. Lofton had John Jefferson as a teammate for a couple of years but had NFLE guys other years. There's also the rule changes for downfield contact that have inflated passing numbers. carter wasnt surrounded with all world talent, moss at the end. Jake Reed got 1000 yards 4 years running, i believe they're still the only duo to have 4 straight 1000 yards recieving. Carter's career began as Loftons ended. I doubt the change of ERA was that drastic. Carter had the best hands in NFL history, period. If you needed a tough catch, there is no WR in NFL history i'd rather have then carter, he just needed 1/4 inch from sidelines and to get his finger tips on it...he made tough catches before they changed the rules after the reidel anthony bucs playoff game, he'd have to hold the ball in the air and drag his elbows on the ground on hsi diving catches Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-31-2007, 07:25 PM	#16
w3QHxwNb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 530 Senior Member	carter wasnt surrounded with all world talent, moss at the end. Jake Reed got 1000 yards 4 years running, i believe they're still the only duo to have 4 straight 1000 yards recieving. Carter's career began as Loftons ended. I doubt the change of ERA was that drastic. Carter had the best hands in NFL history, period. If you needed a tough catch, there is no WR in NFL history i'd rather have then carter, he just needed 1/4 inch from sidelines and to get his finger tips on it...he made tough catches before they changed the rules after the reidel anthony bucs playoff game, he'd have to hold the ball in the air and drag his elbows on the ground on hsi diving catches I don't dispute his talent, that he was a great player, or that he should be in the HOF. But playing for Denny Green on a passing team definitely inflated his numbers. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Prererularl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	lofton 6 seasons of 1000 yards or more recieving carter 8 (all in a row, loftons were not) Years of 10+ recieving TDs Lofton-0. never got more then 8 Carter-6 and 2 at 9 90+ Receptions Lofton-0 (career high 71, carter had 73 in his final year, not counting miami fiasco, 93-2000 his LOW was 86) Carter-5 just to help Lofton played in 1 fewer games than Carter and has more receiving yards. As a side note, Sterling Sharpe played in less than half the games as either of them and has far better yards, receptions, and TDs per game than either of them. Should he get into the HOF? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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hoconnor6605 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	All he did was catch TD's Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-31-2007, 07:30 PM	#19
eXC3Kvnn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 404 Senior Member	I don't dispute his talent, that he was a great player, or that he should be in the HOF. But playing for Denny Green on a passing team definitely inflated his numbers. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that. look at what happened to MN when carter retired. and as i pointed out earlir, look at the QB's Carter had throwing to him, he put great numbers no matter who was throwing the ball. You honestly believe Lofton was a better wr then carter? so far no non pack fan (i realize it's small sampling and SB isnt end all) has voted Lofton. I dont think Bill fans would vote lofton, lofton was second fiddle to Reed. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-31-2007, 07:31 PM	#20
idobestbuyonlinepp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 589 Senior Member	look at what happened to MN when carter retired. and as i pointed out earlir, look at the QB's Carter had throwing to him, he put great numbers no matter who was throwing the ball. You honestly believe Lofton was a better wr then carter? so far no non pack fan (i realize it's small sampling and SB isnt end all) has voted Lofton. I dont think Bill fans would vote lofton, lofton was second fiddle to Reed. I honestly believe Lofton was better. Did you actually see Lofton play? His yards per reception is incredible. He didn't get the benefit of a WCO running short slant type of routes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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