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Skeptikos Examiner
06-07-2007, 01:45 PM
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What would you think if someone would brake into YOUR HOUSE claming such nonsense as a “right of defence”, or a “right to exist”, and it gets even better, a “right to return”. Not just for himself but for his whole family and all their relatives. They slowely take over your house and you end up in a small smelly room in the basement without a window or a toilet. A room you have to share with your family! — Remember it’s your own house! — After fully feeling at home, in your home, they start killing your neighbors and destroy the trees in your garden. They live from the food your garden provides, your family is starving.
What would you do?
Palestinian Loss of Land 1946 to 2000
http://metadave.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/palestinian-loss-of-land-1946-to-2000/
rugbythug
06-08-2007, 04:00 AM
that is hillarious. Nice try revisionist history.
Skeptikos Examiner
06-08-2007, 07:38 AM
I'm not a revisionists, that's how it's happened! The maps speak the truth even thought their mouths may lie! They are currently depopulation Iraq, one of the steps required to re-unite the Babylonian Empire under their control. Palestine and Iraq are in the center of it.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6417/imagesrx1.jpg
The Turks are taking the north while they take the southern parts. Why do you think the Turks really started an invasion of Northern Iraq? Do you think the Arabs will ever get their land back?
Rhandhular
06-10-2007, 01:01 AM
I would hate it if someone were to "brake" into my house. Loss of vehicular control while braking resulting in my property being damaged has kept me up many nights in fear.
pdogg7
06-13-2007, 11:06 AM
It's kind of ironic that the Jews in their attempts to protect themselves from people like the Nazi have almost become as bad. Like how America has committed so many Illegal acts under the ' protect our country and our freedom from terror'. What would Americans say If American Indians decided to start taking over the country. They were there first. One man terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Like the movie from the 80's called Red Dawn. America was attacked by the Soviets and groups of Americans became terrorist and fought back. What do you think would happen If America was somehow attacked today? Do you think Americans would sit by and not try to resist using gorilla tactics? They would be labeled terrorist by the invaders.
What even sadder is the fact that all of these people are dying for their believes in a God that may not even exist. Before anyone starts the I know God exist because--No matter what you believe or what proves to you that their is a God. You can not prove it beyond a doubt. There are only two absolutes in life. You will be born and you will die. Everything else is just a geuss.
sahar mohammed
06-15-2007, 11:26 PM
Hi everybody ,
For me and for hundreds of people there is no chance that this conflict would come to an end soon , not even after 20 ,30, 40 years from now . It's kinda seems hopeless , . But I don't mean that the situation would be the same for ever , things will change some day and Palestinians will get their whole land back but that won't happen soon
I almost agree with every opinion you wrote here , but I disagree with you (pdogg7) when you said (Everything else is just a geuss) , not every thing is just a guess , things are not that random ,otherwise there would be no point of life and death in the first place
Salaam
pete999
06-16-2007, 02:50 PM
the situation in israel and the occupied territories would be plain hilarious if it was not so sad...
the jews are the most racist nation in the world and nowhere else in the world today does such racial segregation exist as in the stolen territories ...its 2007 and the world is still not free from nazi invaders and oppression...
its a blatant violation of human rights from a nation that scream like bitches about "injustice to jews" around the world...i read somewhere that jews have been hunted/thrown/attacked out of 90+ countries & one simply has to wonder that where theres smoke theres fire? 90+ countries!
israel is a crazy aggressive military state kinda like the USA that just cant live in peace with the world because their super rich want to be super super rich so the whole world is hostage to their imperialistic materialistic bullshit...
its shameful how 1000-s of palestinians wait in the sun for hours so that 4 jew invaders can cross at their convenience & then they wonder why somebody slaps on a vest of TNT and blows them the fuck up...them rabbies must be on crack if they think they can punish without being punished back...religion is strong brainwash so theyre not far from crackheads...
pdogg7
06-18-2007, 09:29 AM
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I almost agree with every opinion you wrote here , but I disagree with you (pdogg7) when you said (Everything else is just a geuss) , not every thing is just a guess , things are not that random ,otherwise there would be no point of life and death in the first place
Salaam[/QUOTE]
I think I used the wrong word. I should have said that 'everything else is your opinion'. My overall point was that people around the world are doing such bad and evil things in the name of a religion or believe system that their is no absolute proof of. I do think there is a greater purpose in life. I am just not sure what it is. I just try to live my life by what my life experiences have shown me. I doubt I will ever believe any sort of religion because you have to have faith and believe in something that cannot be proven and this is not how I work. When I am asked what religion I am I usually say something like " closet religion to my believes is Buddhism but I am not a practicing Buddhist" I have been reading a site called danceofecstasy.com. It is the authors view of the meaning of life. He goes through what he believe is the true meaning of certain books of the bible. I would love if some of the people on this site who have a broader knowledge of the bible and christian religion who read it and give there opinions.
BigA_old
06-18-2007, 09:48 AM
Skeptikos Examiner & pete999, do you guys by any chance proudly have a flag of the swastika flying outside your homes?
Out of curiosity what religion are you guys?
I have to go out right now but will gladly post more on this as you guys are fucking delusional. I've been to Israel, I've been to the occupied territories and none of the people I spoke to (and I spoke to heaps) share your racist anti-semetic white supremacist bull shit beliefs. The Palestinians and the Israeli's don't dislike each other, they do on the other hand dislike their own leaders. The difference being that the Israeli's are free to openly disagree with their leaders, while the Palestinian's are not. Again, I will go into this a heck of a lot more, if not today then tomorrow.
I'll leave with this comment, Skeptikos Examiner, how many different KKK facial covers do you own?
sahar mohammed
06-19-2007, 02:19 AM
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I think I used the wrong word. I should have said that 'everything else is your opinion'. My overall point was that people around the world are doing such bad and evil things in the name of a religion or believe system that their is no absolute proof of. I do think there is a greater purpose in life. I am just not sure what it is. I just try to live my life by what my life experiences have shown me. I doubt I will ever believe any sort of religion because you have to have faith and believe in something that cannot be proven and this is not how I work. When I am asked what religion I am I usually say something like " closet religion to my believes is Buddhism but I am not a practicing Buddhist" I have been reading a site called danceofecstasy.com. It is the authors view of the meaning of life. He goes through what he believe is the true meaning of certain books of the bible. I would love if some of the people on this site who have a broader knowledge of the bible and christian religion who read it and give there opinions.
Hello ( pdogg7 )
I agree with you that there are some people who are using their beliefs the wrong way to gain with it some political or economic benefits but those people are not the scale to judge the religion . you were right when you said that there is a greater purpose in life , and it's not that hard to reach (pdogg7) , isn't life all about finding answers to our questions ?
So , nothing wrong with trying to understand this purpose and live by it ,. the real shame ( as I told Mr conan before ) is to live your whole life and die without knowing why you were here in the first place
You seem to be suspicious and afraid from believing in something and then it turn out to be fake , and I'm with you with in that , you must be 1000% sure that you are following the true path before taking any action that you might regret , but the question is ,,are you really taking any action ??? if you are, then God help you to reach the answers you're looking for , and trust me it's not hard to find . you just follow your heart and mind
And don 't say that there is no absolute prove , because there are very clear proves all around us , we just have to know where to search (pdogg7)
I hope I made my point clear ,
Salaam
Peace
pdogg7
06-19-2007, 10:16 AM
Keep in mind when reading all of this that I am talking mostly about Christianity and it's many forms.
Hello ( pdogg7 )
I agree with you that there are some people who are using their beliefs the wrong way to gain with it some political or economic benefits but those people are not the scale to judge the religion . you were right when you said that there is a greater purpose in life , and it's not that hard to reach (pdogg7) , isn't life all about finding answers to our questions ?
I know that not all religions or religious people are bad. I have know some truly spiritual people who didn't drop to the level of using there religion for gain or looking down on people for religious reasons. I am originally from the south in America and this is a big problem in this area. I know that my experiences of religious discrimination have effected my view of religion. I have recently decided to be open minded about all religions and try to understand them and not prejudge and close my self off to anything.
So , nothing wrong with trying to understand this purpose and live by it ,. the real shame ( as I told Mr Conan before ) is to live your whole life and die without knowing why you were here in the first place
You seem to be suspicious and afraid from believing in something and then it turn out to be fake , and I'm with you with in that , you must be 1000% sure that you are following the true path before taking any action that you might regret , but the question is ,,are you really taking any action ??? if you are, then God help you to reach the answers you're looking for , and trust me it's not hard to find . you just follow your heart and mind
I wouldn't say that I am afraid of believing in something and it turning out to be fake. I am not a believer in things that I can't prove beyond a doubt. I'm the kind of person that when my wife say there was 20 of something. I say no it was 15. Just who I am. It makes it hard because I can see both sides of almost any argument.
And don 't say that there is no absolute prove , because there are very clear proves all around us , we just have to know where to search (pdogg7)
[COLOR="blue"]A person could argue that their is no real absolute prove to anything, but that would get us no were. What is your proof? I think for some people it is that they pray to God for a answer or a thing and then they get what they wanted. For me the problem with this is. If you hadn't prayed would you have gotten the thing or answer you wanted? You can't without a doubt say yes or no. What clearly proves it to you want prove it to me.
I think a lot of people use God or Jesus Christ as a crutch to deal with the ups and downs in life. It can be scary to live life not thinking there is no big master plan. Especially when you are happy with your life and fill fortunate for you having so much. For me the way I get through it is the phrase' every day is a gift' . For me this is a way of reminding my self that I have been fortunate to live as long as I have and that we aren't guaranteed anything in life. And believe me the amount of stupid and dangerous things I have done and somehow survived is scary.
Reflection on my life and all the small decisions or events that led me to were I am now and the birth of my 2 girls keep me thinking there is a bigger picture. As humans we use such a small percentage of or brains and are disconnected from the full range of our sense. Maybe the big picture is something we can't even comprehend at this time.
Sahar have you studied any eastern religions like buddhism?
Sorry so long and I hope it makes some sense.
I hope I made my point clear ,
Salaam
Peace
pete999
06-20-2007, 01:53 PM
Skeptikos Examiner & pete999, do you guys by any chance proudly have a flag of the swastika flying outside your homes?
Out of curiosity what religion are you guys?
every time somebody says something bad about the jews its "nazism" :rolleyes: ...im "christian" or from such a country...
I have to go out right now but will gladly post more on this as you guys are fucking delusional. I've been to Israel, I've been to the occupied territories and none of the people I spoke to (and I spoke to heaps) share your racist anti-semetic white supremacist bull shit beliefs. The Palestinians and the Israeli's don't dislike each other, they do on the other hand dislike their own leaders. The difference being that the Israeli's are free to openly disagree with their leaders, while the Palestinian's are not. Again, I will go into this a heck of a lot more, if not today then tomorrow.
I'll leave with this comment, Skeptikos Examiner, how many different KKK facial covers do you own?
i do business with israel...sorry if i trust my own eyes...when im talking about jewish racism i dont mean to say 100% of them look down upon non jews...but a substantial part (the business part) look down and are the most racist people i have ever had the chance to meet...they dont look down only on palestinians but on EVERYBODY who is not jewish...
i can understand an american getting good treatment because you are the military backup for the jewish nation that owns a great part of your government...this does not mean that they really like you...
sahar mohammed
06-20-2007, 11:23 PM
I know that not all religions or religious people are bad. I have know some truly spiritual people who didn't drop to the level of using there religion for gain or looking down on people for religious reasons. I am originally from the south in America and this is a big problem in this area. I know that my experiences of religious discrimination have effected my view of religion. I have recently decided to be open minded about all religions and try to understand them and not prejudge and close my self off to anything
I don't understand why being from south America is a problem for you , but I must say that your decision to be open minded with all religions is a very good decision . Keep that up
I wouldn't say that I am afraid of believing in something and it turning out to be fake. I am not a believer in things that I can't prove beyond a doubt. I'm the kind of person that when my wife say there was 20 of something. I say no it was 15. Just who I am. It makes it hard because I can see both sides of almost any argument.
And there is nothing wrong to be that kind of persons ,. Actually to be that careful in your life is a good thing , but my point is that sometimes you might only think that it can't proven to be true but it can . believing in something to be fake doesn't always mean that it is , sometimes it's only shows the way you're looking at it , not the way it is . so , in order to judge things the right way , you need not only to be open minded but also to be objective in the way you're looking to things .
A person could argue that their is no real absolute prove to anything, but that would get us no were. What is your proof? I think for some people it is that they pray to God for a answer or a thing and then they get what they wanted. For me the problem with this is. If you hadn't prayed would you have gotten the thing or answer you wanted? You can't without a doubt say yes or no. What clearly proves it to you want prove it to me
So , in your opinion with or without praying you can never be sure that if the prayer really works or it was just luck that made you get what you were asking for ??,
It's something that to answer then I must ask you first if you do believe that there is one God or not , because if you really do , then you wouldn't have asked if the prayer is important or not . And if you do believe in God then the answer of this question should have been already known to you
I think a lot of people use God or Jesus Christ as a crutch to deal with the ups and downs in life. It can be scary to live life not thinking there is no big master plan. Especially when you are happy with your life and fill fortunate for you having so much. For me the way I get through it is the phrase' every day is a gift' . For me this is a way of reminding my self that I have been fortunate to live as long as I have and that we aren't guaranteed anything in life. And believe me the amount of stupid and dangerous things I have done and somehow survived is scary
Reflection on my life and all the small decisions or events that led me to were I am now and the birth of my 2 girls keep me thinking there is a bigger picture. As humans we use such a small percentage of or brains and are disconnected from the full range of our sense. Maybe the big picture is something we can't even comprehend at this time
Sure there is a bigger picture that our limited mind can't realize it all , from all the events you talked about that took place in your life , you should have been already certain that no random things happens in this life , it was meant for things to happen that way (by the will of God )
Sahar have you studied any eastern religions like buddhism?
I did read before about Buddhism but I wasn't interested , it's just far from sense and logic .
Salaam
pdogg7
06-21-2007, 10:12 AM
I don't understand why being from south America is a problem for you , but I must say that your decision to be open minded with all religions is a very good decision . Keep that up
I meant I am from the south in the united states. An area known as the bible belt. Meaning there are a lot of churches.
, but my point is that sometimes you might only think that it can't proven to be true but it can . believing in something to be fake doesn't always mean that it is , sometimes it's only shows the way you're looking at it , not the way it is . so , in order to judge things the right way , you need not only to be open minded but also to be objective in the way you're looking to things .
When I say that 'If something can't be proven I have problems believing in it'
Doesn't mean I think it can't be true. I just don't know if it is true. Part of my problem is that by being open minded and objective leads me to seeing most religions beliefs as possible. I think if you believe in chritanity, juddhism or Islam (the big three)you have to believe the stories in your book. Please correct me If I am wrong and I know I am oversimplifying it, but don't all three start from the same point and share the same God. With the difference being what their prophets said. When I read these common stories It doesn't sound believeable to me.
So , in your opinion with or without praying you can never be sure that if the prayer really works or it was just luck that made you get what you were asking for ??,
It's something that to answer then I must ask you first if you do believe that there is one God or not ,
I would have to say If you mean God as described by the 'big three' then I would say no.
Sure there is a bigger picture that our limited mind can't realize it all , from all the events you talked about that took place in your life , you should have been already certain that no random things happens in this life , it was meant for things to happen that way (by the will of God )
How do you know it is the will of God?
I did read before about Buddhism but I wasn't interested , it's just far from sense and logic .
For me Buddhism is more of a philosophy then a religion. There are many different versions of it. I believe that at the core of all of them is the philosophy of the middle way. It is also not exclusive. Meaning you could be a Buddhist and a christian or Muslim.
Salaam
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sahar mohammed
06-22-2007, 01:26 AM
When I say that 'If something can't be proven I have problems believing in it'
Doesn't mean I think it can't be true. I just don't know if it is true. Part of my problem is that by being open minded and objective leads me to seeing most religions beliefs as possible. I think if you believe in chritanity, juddhism or Islam (the big three)you have to believe the stories in your book. Please correct me If I am wrong and I know I am oversimplifying it, but don't all three start from the same point and share the same God. With the difference being what their prophets said. When I read these common stories It doesn't sound believeable to me.
Yes, no question about that , the 3 religions are so related ,. they all came from the same source , with the same message , although no one can deny the serious differences among the 3 of them or the different concepts about the one God , but they still so close than any other religion .and the 3 prophets all came with the same message . I'd like to know which stories that doesn't sound believeable to you ?? are you talking about the 3 of them or a specific religion ??
I would have to say If you mean God as described by the 'big three' then I would say no. .
Like I said , there are different concepts among the 3 religions when it comes to the one God . Although we are talking about the same God here but the description of the one God is different from a religion to the other , for example , christians are the only people who believe in the trinity while Muslims and Jews reject it .. ..so I don't think that it would be right to put the description of the 3 religions on one hand and ignore the differences ,
How do you know it is the will of God? .
Nothing can be done without the will of God , He's the one who gave you what you need to go on in this life and he's the only one who can take it away . We have no control on this life ..
For me Buddhism is more of a philosophy then a religion..
I agree on this one , Yes , it's far from being called religion .
Salaam
STRYFE
06-28-2007, 06:25 AM
Thanks for sharing everyone.
BigA_old
06-30-2007, 02:57 AM
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What would you think if someone would brake into YOUR HOUSE
Palestinian Loss of Land 1946 to 2000
http://metadave.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/palestinian-loss-of-land-1946-to-2000/
I assume from this statement that you sir believe the land of Israel/Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people. Okay, but please back this up with some facts or a reason as to why you think this. I am actually very interested in hearing this.
Pete999 you said the following: "the jews are the most racist nation in the world". This is a very big & bold statement. Do you have any facts/statistics to back this up? Again, I would be interested in hearing what you have to say.
STORM SHADOW
07-14-2007, 11:05 AM
There's only one problem with everything most anybody thinks about the poor poor Palestinians... there's no such thing and no such place, never was, isn't now, and may not be. They were a wondering Arab people. Palestinian in NOT a race sheeeesh they had no claim to the land at all. I'll stick with the Israelis on this issue.
BigA_old
07-19-2007, 11:14 AM
There's only one problem with everything most anybody thinks about the poor poor Palestinians... there's no such thing and no such place, never was, isn't now, and may not be. They were a wondering Arab people. Palestinian in NOT a race sheeeesh they had no claim to the land at all. I'll stick with the Israelis on this issue.
STORM SHADOW - It's great to see that there is someone on this forum such as yourself who has some concept of the word 'history'.
You are 100% correct. The Palestinian people never ran/ruled/governed the land. It was for many years under the control of the British, the Egyptians, and the Jordanians. From the early 1500's to the early 1900's it was under the control of the Turks. In a space of 400 years the Turks managed to take the country from a thriving community and turn it into a waste land.
Skeptikos Examiner mentioned 'the right to return'. I hate to tell you Skeptikos Examiner but the Israeli's/Jews never actually left, well, not fully anyway. They always had a large population community there, since before Christ up until the present day.
I could go into much further detail on this and I will if anyone asks me to, but there is fact and fiction, fact being that the Israeli's have a much firmer claim to the land then any other nation do. Fiction would be anyone saying that the Palestinian's have more claim to the land. Why? Because it was never theirs in the first place.
Ominous
11-25-2008, 12:38 PM
This is total crap, look at any old newspaper or map from anytime in the 1800s or 1910's,20s,30s .. anytime they refer to the levant it was called Palestine, or British Palestine, it may have been ruled by the Turks or British but it was still a state like Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Cambodia, Malaysia..etc. all these places had foreign rulers, it doesn't mean the never existed. A Palestinians parents were born in Palestine, so were theres, and so were theres, and so were theres..that is called an indeginous people..the Israelis showed up from Europe or Russia or N.America or Iraq or wherever else they came from, they may have religious ties to the land like christians but they are not in anyway indeginous- per the academic term 'indiginous'-you may have noticed many of them are caucasian.
There's only one problem with everything most anybody thinks about the poor poor Palestinians... there's no such thing and no such place, never was, isn't now, and may not be. They were a wondering Arab people. Palestinian in NOT a race sheeeesh they had no claim to the land at all. I'll stick with the Israelis on this issue.
I don't think they were saying the land belongs exclusively to the Palestinians, that is how the zionists think..that it's "theirs" therefore they have a right to keep the indeginous population in bantustans like animals.. I think thats where zionism is a lost and outdated supremast ideology..
Had the Zionists simply started to immigrate to Palestine with the idea that they simply wanted to get back to there 'roots' and live and work with the Palestinians, kind of like the many more Jews who immigrated to America and became Americans... it would not have been such a catastrophic movement.. but from the start zionism was about creating a Jewish State, that meant that non-jews had to go..and everyone understood that, especially the Palestinians..the movement was a declaration of war on the Palestinians from it's inception in 1895, the first zionist conference in Europe.
I assume from this statement that you sir believe the land of Israel/Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people. Okay, but please back this up with some facts or a reason as to why you think this. I am actually very interested in hearing this.
BJJMaster
01-06-2009, 07:33 AM
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply to this.
I'm from a Jewish family and I'm usually the first to call the Ultra Orthodox Jews a bunch of hypocritical mother fuckers, when the Israeli's do things in terms of military action that is unwarranted, unjust or unprovoked then I'll always be the first to speak out about it. So my reply here is not biased in any way shape or form.
Ominous - you mentioned that the Israeli's are not indiginous to the land. I'm sorry but I beg to differ. The name 'Israel' has only been on the world maps since 1948, prior to that it was called Palestine, prior to that Canaan, etc, etc, etc, until you go all the way back to when the land was called Judeah. After World War 2 a lot of Jews went to live in Israel to start a new life after persecution they faced in Europe and other countries, but your making it out as though Jews were not there prior to 1948. The Jews have been there for thousands of years so to say they are not indiginous to the land is crazy!!! Biblically speaking (if one is to believe the events of any of the bibles) Moses led the Israelites to that piece of land and they were infact the very first inhabitants of it hence making them the true indiginous people of that land. Having said that do I believe the land belongs to them and only them? That's not for me to say. There are many arguments for and against.
You also said 'Had the Zionists simply started to immigrate to Palestine with the idea that they simply wanted to get back to there roots and live and work with the Palestinians.............'. Sorry to tell you but for those that did move back there that is exactly what they did and they did so successfully. They had been doing that for years prior to WWII. In fact both the Palestinians and Jews living under Jordanian, Egyptian and English rule were discriminated against very badly. Public beatings and torture were not unheard of. You should look up a massive meeting held between the Palestinians and Jews/Israeli's prior to the 1948 war in which the Israeli's told the Palestinians of there plans to fight the Jordanian's & Egyptians and the Israeli's wanted there help, that they could win the fight and live side by side in peace the way they had been doing for years. The Palestinian's of the time said they couldn't fight the Jordanian's & Egytian's because even though they were being badly persecuted they were still Arabs and wouldn't fight a fellow Arab. I heard all of this not from my parent's but from actual Palestinians in the West Bank and occupied territories on many of my visits to the Israel.
I personally have a lot issues with what a lot of the zionist extremists preach but I'm also open-minded enough to see things from both sides, it appears you Ominous are not. You should study more history and when you do please come back with a reply and maybe not one that is so obviously anti-semetic.
thetank
11-19-2010, 06:40 AM
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply to this.
I'm from a Jewish family and I'm usually the first to call the Ultra Orthodox Jews a bunch of hypocritical mother fuckers, when the Israeli's do things in terms of military action that is unwarranted, unjust or unprovoked then I'll always be the first to speak out about it. So my reply here is not biased in any way shape or form.
Ominous - you mentioned that the Israeli's are not indiginous to the land. I'm sorry but I beg to differ. The name 'Israel' has only been on the world maps since 1948, prior to that it was called Palestine, prior to that Canaan, etc, etc, etc, until you go all the way back to when the land was called Judeah. After World War 2 a lot of Jews went to live in Israel to start a new life after persecution they faced in Europe and other countries, but your making it out as though Jews were not there prior to 1948. The Jews have been there for thousands of years so to say they are not indiginous to the land is crazy!!! Biblically speaking (if one is to believe the events of any of the bibles) Moses led the Israelites to that piece of land and they were infact the very first inhabitants of it hence making them the true indiginous people of that land. Having said that do I believe the land belongs to them and only them? That's not for me to say. There are many arguments for and against.
You also said 'Had the Zionists simply started to immigrate to Palestine with the idea that they simply wanted to get back to there roots and live and work with the Palestinians.............'. Sorry to tell you but for those that did move back there that is exactly what they did and they did so successfully. They had been doing that for years prior to WWII. In fact both the Palestinians and Jews living under Jordanian, Egyptian and English rule were discriminated against very badly. Public beatings and torture were not unheard of. You should look up a massive meeting held between the Palestinians and Jews/Israeli's prior to the 1948 war in which the Israeli's told the Palestinians of there plans to fight the Jordanian's & Egyptians and the Israeli's wanted there help, that they could win the fight and live side by side in peace the way they had been doing for years. The Palestinian's of the time said they couldn't fight the Jordanian's & Egytian's because even though they were being badly persecuted they were still Arabs and wouldn't fight a fellow Arab. I heard all of this not from my parent's but from actual Palestinians in the West Bank and occupied territories on many of my visits to the Israel.
I personally have a lot issues with what a lot of the zionist extremists preach but I'm also open-minded enough to see things from both sides, it appears you Ominous are not. You should study more history and when you do please come back with a reply and maybe not one that is so obviously anti-semetic.
Do you condemn your fellow Jews for the pedophilic custom metzitzah bepeh? This is the sucking of the blood from a young boy's penis by a Rabbi after the child is subjected to the ritual genital mutilation known as circumcision.
Do you condemn the Jews for their leading role in Communism and the 100 plus million Christians that were slaughtered as a result?
If you can condemn your fellow Jews for their involvement in these two things it will go a long way towards helping combat anti-semitism.
Your people are far from the victims of anything. I wish more Jews would condemn those of their own tribe who deserve condemnation.
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