Another stupid question

[Big A]

When the 9/11 towers went down, basically everything was destroyed.
How can in all that mountain of debris, clearly eligible documents be found that describes each of the terrorists, including their names, etc? And how could it be concluded that the terrorists were carrying such papers on themselves?

If the papers were on the plane, in the posesion of the terrorists, the papers would have had to survive the plane's impact into the building (the terrorists were the pilots too, so head on impact), the papers would have had to survive the fire caused by the planes, then they would have had to survive the colapse of the building, then survive the simmering fire for days in the ruble and then be finally found intact, after being watered by the fireman's hoses too.

How can that be so?

[BigBoyJ]

Well, according to JJ, EVERYTHING was totally vaporized. He says there was absolutely NOTHING but dust. So I guess on this one, JJ is the guy you need to argue with.

I'm sure though that now he'll have a good explanation as to why THOSE particular papers were the ONLY ones that weren't vaporized.

[JJ Insane1]

Well, according to JJ, EVERYTHING was totally vaporized. He says there was absolutely NOTHING but dust. So I guess on this one, JJ is the guy you need to argue with.

I'm sure though that now he'll have a good explanation as to why THOSE particular papers were the ONLY ones that weren't vaporized.


Thats my point exactly... most everything WAS vaporized. So.. where are these "passports" and all the "records" they seemed to be able to find within a fucking day? I mean... if the fires from the JET FUEL where SO hot that they caused ALL THE STEEL around them to melt... THEN HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH ARABS - PASSPORTS - BLA BLA BLA...

Answer... THEY DIDNT. They knew who they where going to pin it on before it happened.

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Bro

Why is it... if i ask a question like Big A just asked then i am a fucking nut ball conspiracy theorist straight off the bat.
Although.. when Big A asks one of the SAME questions because OBVIOUSLY he is doubting the bullshit "OFFICAL STORY" the government came up with.... you call him nothning? You seem to "pass the ball" in order to avoid calling him wacko?

I mean... is it an asskissing thing or what?

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Bro
Most of us know you do not live in the US. I want to know... how does the people of your country view our president and this war? What is the overwhelming opinon of the 9/11 offical story?
Now.. i am not saying these are YOUR views.... i just want to know what the majority of people think in places other then the brain controlled US population?

JJ insane1

[BigBoyJ]

Bro

Why is it... if i ask a question like Big A just asked then i am a fucking nut ball conspiracy theorist straight off the bat.
Although.. when Big A asks one of the SAME questions because OBVIOUSLY he is doubting the bullshit "OFFICAL STORY" the government came up with.... you call him nothning? You seem to "pass the ball" in order to avoid calling him wacko?

I mean... is it an asskissing thing or what?

JJ Insane1

Now, JJ. You known me for a long time. I've been banned from more boards than probably anyone in the history of the net. I've caused mods to quit, made boards shut down, had my life threatened, been threatened with being framed for crimes, had my family's lives threatened....basically I ain't an ass kisser. The thing is, I have respect for how Big A runs his boards. Everything is very professional and respectable. Plus, when Big A asks questions he has respect in how they are asked and intelligence in his replies. With you, JJ, there's no logic, no credibility, no ability to listen to reason and you REFUSE to listen to ANYTHING that doesn't TOTALLY agree with YOUR opinions. The day you post something valid and logical, I'll listen, until then, I'm still gonna think you're just a conspiracy theorist. It's not that I don't like you. If you were my neighbor, I'd invite you over for a beer just so we could argue politics. Just cause we don't agree doesn't mean I think you're a bad person...I just think you're a conspiracy theorist, not that there's anything wrong with that.

[JJ Insane1]

Now, JJ. You known me for a long time. I've been banned from more boards than probably anyone in the history of the net. I've caused mods to quit, made boards shut down, had my life threatened, been threatened with being framed for crimes, had my family's lives threatened....basically I ain't an ass kisser. The thing is, I have respect for how Big A runs his boards. Everything is very professional and respectable. Plus, when Big A asks questions he has respect in how they are asked and intelligence in his replies. With you, JJ, there's no logic, no credibility, no ability to listen to reason and you REFUSE to listen to ANYTHING that doesn't TOTALLY agree with YOUR opinions. The day you post something valid and logical, I'll listen, until then, I'm still gonna think you're just a conspiracy theorist. It's not that I don't like you. If you were my neighbor, I'd invite you over for a beer just so we could argue politics. Just cause we don't agree doesn't mean I think you're a bad person...I just think you're a conspiracy theorist, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Bro
I have done nothing more then ask the SAME quesiton Big A asked. I asked MANY more questions.... i asked for explinations to my questions.... nothing more.
Yet - i get the "hes a nut ball conspiracy fuck" replies.
Big A asks the EXACT same things i have been asking and... he is just "interested"?


Its the same thing.... i do not own the board so i get called the nut case. I understand.
Maybe i should start my own political forum so you will talk to me like a repectful human.

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

The day you post something valid and logical, I'll listen, .

Ok... you want logic

Would you not consider it "logical" to assume that a fire would have to burn hot enough to melt steel before it would melt it?
The WTC fires where only 800c and it takes heat of 1510c to melt steel.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/911_smoking_gun.html

Would you not consider it "logical" that even at 1510c (which it never was) that those buildings would have stood allot longer then an hour before falling?

Would you not consider it "logical" that (photos prove this) if it was hot enough on those floors where the planes hit to melt the steel then a human couldnt withstand that same heat? Yet there are MANY photos of people standing and waiving for help on the SAME floors the plane hit.... at the same time the buildings feel. Is it logical to assume a human can withstand 800c fires but an entire floor of steel cant?

Would you consider that it would be logical to assume that Mayor Giuliani's RECORDED voice saying to "pull the building" meant to DEMOLISH the building?

Would you consider it logical that knowing NO OTHER steel structure in HISTORY has never fallen from heat or fire or planes even after 18 hours of burning.... it would be hard to see how the BEST built buildings could do so?


Can you give me a logical explanation to how they seem to find the passports and DNA from the "terrorist" that where on the PLANES that caused and flew directly into the HEATED AREA within 24 hours.... YET they couldnt identify 1000 other bodies because of how disintegrated they where?

Whats your logical explanation of all the eye witnesses (even police and many firefighters) that testified and stated the all heard multiple explosions as the buildings feel?
Are they ALL conspiracy theorist?


Whats the logic behind the government keeping all the video tapes (12 in all from various places... gas stations security cameras) of the pentagon plane hitting the building? I mean wouldnt it be logical to assume that showing an actual plane hitting the building would shut some people up... so whats the logical explanation of what they are hiding?

Whats the logical explain as to why jets didnt intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?

Whats your logical explanation to why the black boxes where never recovered but yet... the passports and papers and DNA was recovered from the very HUMANS they claim did the job? Humans are flame resistant and black boxes arent?

Whats a logical explanation to why wont the FBI release the Flight Data Recorder info? What are they hiding? Nothing? Then why not release it to prove there point?

Whats your logical explanation on where the photos of all 19 hijackers come from? Oh.. and so FAST?

Whats your logical explanation as to how could the hijackers disable the defense systems? They seem to have done just that right? How?

Whats your logical explanation as to why there were no passengers in the subway under the WTC at the time of the attacks? It was... Hmm 9am - the greatest time of population because work was starting.

Whats your logical explanation as to why there was no guard at the gold reservoir under the WTC? Hmmmm???

Whats your logical explanation as to where all that GOLD went? If you check your 9/11 commission report it states no GOLD was recovered. Assumed melted. Melted? At the bottom of the building when in actuality it the heat and fire was 70+ stories up... Hmmm what gives?

Whats your logical explanation as to why the bin Ladens flown out of the U.S. on private jets the day after the 9/11? Why where they not held ... after all we already blamed Bin Laden by that point.

Bro... you take a little time and give me a logical explanation to these questions. PLEASE... i am just asking the same as Big A did.
When you are done, i will post 20 more... and then 20 more.... until i have over 150 questions for you to come up with a logical explanation.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

Ok... you want logic

[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Would you not consider it "logical" to assume that a fire would have to burn hot enough to melt steel before it would melt it?
The WTC fires where only 800c and it takes heat of 1510c to melt steel.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/911_smoking_gun.html[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

It wasn't just the heat, it was the impact of the plane that damaged the structural integrity. Not to mention the MASSIVE explosion from the plane's fuel.


[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Would you not consider it "logical" that even at 1510c (which it never was) that those buildings would have stood allot longer then an hour before falling?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

Again, being hit by a jumbo jet full of fuel causes damage beyond that of heat alone.


[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Would you not consider it "logical" that (photos prove this) if it was hot enough on those floors where the planes hit to melt the steel then a human couldnt withstand that same heat? Yet there are MANY photos of people standing and waiving for help on the SAME floors the plane hit.... at the same time the buildings feel. Is it logical to assume a human can withstand 800c fires but an entire floor of steel cant?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

JJ, that one's just crap. NO ONE survived on the same floors where the planes hit.


[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Would you consider that it would be logical to assume that Mayor Giuliani's RECORDED voice saying to "pull the building" meant to DEMOLISH the building?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

No. I think he was referring to "pulling" the rescue effort since the building were becoming more unstable and ready to collapse.


[[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]B]Would you consider it logical that knowing NO OTHER steel structure in HISTORY has never fallen from heat or fire or planes even after 18 hours of burning.... it would be hard to see how the BEST built buildings could do so?[/B][QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

No other building has ever been under so much weight or attacked under the same circumstances. There is nothing to compare it to.


[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Can you give me a logical explanation to how they seem to find the passports and DNA from the "terrorist" that where on the PLANES that caused and flew directly into the HEATED AREA within 24 hours.... YET they couldnt identify 1000 other bodies because of how disintegrated they where?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

I've never heard of anyone finding dna from terrorists on the planes. Post a VALID link or evidence of that and I'll listen. Remember, I said VALID.


[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats your logical explanation of all the eye witnesses (even police and many firefighters) that testified and stated the all heard multiple explosions as the buildings feel?
Are they ALL conspiracy theorist?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

Well, of course. There are a lot of things that can explode in a fire in a building the size of the world trade center. Even a fire extinguisher will blow up when it gets hot. It makes a pretty damn noisy pop too.



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats the logic behind the government keeping all the video tapes (12 in all from various places... gas stations security cameras) of the pentagon plane hitting the building? I mean wouldnt it be logical to assume that showing an actual plane hitting the building would shut some people up... so whats the logical explanation of what they are hiding?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

The logical explanation is that it's the pentagon. Why in the world would they allow close detailed photos to show the construction of the center of our countries intelligence?



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats the logical explain as to why jets didnt intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

Again, simple, the jets were dispatched, but not fast enough. There just wasn't enough time to reach them. It's not like they knew what the plan was.;)



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats your logical explanation to why the black boxes where never recovered but yet... the passports and papers and DNA was recovered from the very HUMANS they claim did the job? Humans are flame resistant and black boxes arent?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

Again, post some valid proof of that claim. And there's no need for a 50 paragragh post. Just get to the point.



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats a logical explanation to why wont the FBI release the Flight Data Recorder info? What are they hiding? Nothing? Then why not release it to prove there point?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

Why should they release it other than to shut up conspiracy theorists? There's sensitive info on those recordings, man. They shouldn't release it.



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats your logical explanation on where the photos of all 19 hijackers come from? Oh.. and so FAST? [QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

Well, they knew who was on the planes. They had pictures of them from their entrance into the country. Easy.


[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats your logical explanation as to how could the hijackers disable the defense systems? They seem to have done just that right? How?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

What defense system? Prior to 911, it didn't take much to hijack a plane. There were no armed guards....nothing. Hell, I bet most of the guys on promuscle couldv'e taken over a plane on their own.



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats your logical explanation as to why there were no passengers in the subway under the WTC at the time of the attacks? It was... Hmm 9am - the greatest time of population because work was starting.[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

Who knows? The stomach flu? I admit I don't know anything about this. Again, if you can show me a good place to start for evidence of this, I'll research it....and tell you why there were no people.



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats your logical explanation as to why there was no guard at the gold reservoir under the WTC? Hmmmm???[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

How do you know there was no guard? Besides, I doubt a security guard would be let in a massive government conspiracy like what you're describing. He's just not important enough.



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats your logical explanation as to where all that GOLD went? If you check your 9/11 commission report it states no GOLD was recovered. Assumed melted. Melted? At the bottom of the building when in actuality it the heat and fire was 70+ stories up... Hmmm what gives?[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

The heat wasn't 70 stories up after the buildings collapsed.



[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Whats your logical explanation as to why the bin Ladens flown out of the U.S. on private jets the day after the 9/11? Why where they not held ... after all we already blamed Bin Laden by that point.[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]

Well, they didn't do it, but they probably would've been killed if they stayed here.


[QUOTE=JJ Insane1]Bro... you take a little time and give me a logical explanation to these questions. PLEASE... i am just asking the same as Big A did.
When you are done, i will post 20 more... and then 20 more.... until i have over 150 questions for you to come up with a logical explanation.

JJ Insane1

Your turn again.

[JJ Insane1]

Going to the gym... when i get home i will give you a civilized explanation to all your excuses .... and i will post the pics of the people standing in the holes that the planes blew into the side of the buildings.

You be civil and i will be civil in my response - ok? Cool?

I have to grow first... thats on the Bush hasnt taken away from me yet :D

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Here ya go...

The photos are REAL... not photo shoped and they came from the ORIGINAL WTC 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT!


Tell me now... there wasnt any people in the hole where the planes hit? Hmmmm... i think there was judging by these photos.... and, how did they stand there considering it was hot enough to cause the STEEL to melt? Sure doesnt look to hot to me? What about you?


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/woman_wtc.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc_woman_enhance_small.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc1_woman_impact-area_full_small.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc1_man.jpg

Here is one from Fox news its self!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/cintron_fox1.jpg

Hey want some video proof also?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.1.scar.person.wmv

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/woman-waving-close.avi

Want more? I gottem... now tell me ... "JJ, that one's just crap. NO ONE survived on the same floors where the planes hit."

I just proved other wise.

Where is all that intence heat? Where are all the flames? Fire produces smoke correct? At least show me some smoke?
These photos prove NOTHING was so hot it melted the steel in those floors... otherwise there could not have been PEOPLE standing in the open, gaping, smokless holes.

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Now when i get back home.. i will answer the other questions. Have fun with those photos... and... yes my friend, they are real.

:eek:

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

After I looked up some more photos and some research on my own, here's what I found out.

After the planes hit and the fires from the initial explosion began to get a little smaller, some people WENT UP into the points of impact to see what happened/see if anyone was alive and needed help. But no, no one survived the initial impact of the planes in the floors that were hit.

Ok, JJ. How exactly COULD anyone survive the planes impact AND the explosions. You did see it on tv right? I mean, I assume you DO believe that planes actually did hit the buildings. You saw the explosions right? How could anyone survive that? Even if what you say is true and the buildings only got up to 800 degrees, how could anyone survive that?

[JJ Insane1]

After I looked up some more photos and some research on my own, here's what I found out.

After the planes hit and the fires from the initial explosion began to get a little smaller, some people WENT UP into the points of impact to see what happened/see if anyone was alive and needed help. But no, no one survived the initial impact of the planes in the floors that were hit.

Ok, JJ. How exactly COULD anyone survive the planes impact AND the explosions. You did see it on tv right? I mean, I assume you DO believe that planes actually did hit the buildings. You saw the explosions right? The blasts blew completely through all sides of the buildings when the planes hit. How could anyone survive that? Even if what you say is true and the buildings only got up to 800 degrees, how could anyone survive that?

I am not saying anybody survived the planes... or anyone on the floors the planes hit survived... i am simply stating... the obvious.
Even if the people in the photos DID walk up or down to see out for help...there was NO INTENSE heat... no 800c or 1510c degree heat, no smoke to stop them. Yet... the offical explanation of the buildings falling (according to the 9/11 commisson report) is that the buildings fell from HEAT produces from JET fuel that MELTED the STEEL ... causing them to pancake.
Judging from these photos... that are REAL... that just wasnt possible.
Bro... just admit, the photos speak for them selves. YOU see it with YOUR OWN EYES. No matter what your told... the fact is in the pictures.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

I am not saying anybody survived the planes... or anyone on the floors the planes hit survived... i am simply stating... the obvious.
Even if the people in the photos DID walk up or down to see out for help...there was NO INTENSE heat... no 800c or 1510c degree heat, no smoke to stop them. Yet... the offical explanation of the buildings falling (according to the 9/11 commisson report) is that the buildings fell from HEAT produces from JET fuel that MELTED the STEEL ... causing them to pancake.
Judging from these photos... that are REAL... that just wasnt possible.
JJ Insane1

Again, it was heat, weight, impact and explosion. Not just heat alone collapsed the buildings.

[JJ Insane1]

Again, it was heat, weight, impact and explosion. Not just heat alone collapsed the buildings.

Yeah? Prove it? The 9/11 commisson report said it was HEAT that melted the STEEL.... Weight? Those planes weighed nothing and the towers where built to withstand a 747 implact.... remember?
Explosion? Well... you got one right... explosions from controlled demolition.

Bro.. if heat was a factor and obvious we are suppose to believe it was.... then those people could have not stood where they stood.... thats a simple fact.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

This is like trying to prove God exists, man. We could argue forever and never get anywhere (as we're already proving). You can't prove anything, I can't prove anything. There is no proof either way. Just believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. I have officially become bored with this topic.

New argument please.

[JJ Insane1]

This is like trying to prove God exists, man. We could argue forever and never get anywhere (as we're already proving). You can't prove anything, I can't prove anything. There is no proof either way. Just believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. I have officially become bored with this topic.

New argument please.

Thats my point bro! You cant prove the government DIDNT do it... i cant prove they did. I just think.... more evidence and .... witnesses, and facts prove they did have something to do with it.

BTW... i am getting bored with it as well... its not like anyone who makes a shit is listening to us ya know... its not going to change anything so why fucking argue.... fuck it
JJ insane1

[BigBoyJ]

Thats my point bro! You cant prove the government DIDNT do it... i cant prove they did. I just think.... more evidence and .... witnesses, and facts prove they did have something to do with it.

BTW... i am getting bored with it as well... its not like anyone who makes a shit is listening to us ya know... its not going to change anything so why fucking argue.... fuck it
JJ insane1


Yes sir, fuck it indeed.:cool:

[Big A]

Ok... you want logic

Would you not consider it "logical" to assume that a fire would have to burn hot enough to melt steel before it would melt it?
The WTC fires where only 800c and it takes heat of 1510c to melt steel.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/911_smoking_gun.html

Would you not consider it "logical" that even at 1510c (which it never was) that those buildings would have stood allot longer then an hour before falling?

Would you not consider it "logical" that (photos prove this) if it was hot enough on those floors where the planes hit to melt the steel then a human couldnt withstand that same heat? Yet there are MANY photos of people standing and waiving for help on the SAME floors the plane hit.... at the same time the buildings feel. Is it logical to assume a human can withstand 800c fires but an entire floor of steel cant?

Would you consider that it would be logical to assume that Mayor Giuliani's RECORDED voice saying to "pull the building" meant to DEMOLISH the building?

Would you consider it logical that knowing NO OTHER steel structure in HISTORY has never fallen from heat or fire or planes even after 18 hours of burning.... it would be hard to see how the BEST built buildings could do so?


Can you give me a logical explanation to how they seem to find the passports and DNA from the "terrorist" that where on the PLANES that caused and flew directly into the HEATED AREA within 24 hours.... YET they couldnt identify 1000 other bodies because of how disintegrated they where?

Whats your logical explanation of all the eye witnesses (even police and many firefighters) that testified and stated the all heard multiple explosions as the buildings feel?
Are they ALL conspiracy theorist?


Whats the logic behind the government keeping all the video tapes (12 in all from various places... gas stations security cameras) of the pentagon plane hitting the building? I mean wouldnt it be logical to assume that showing an actual plane hitting the building would shut some people up... so whats the logical explanation of what they are hiding?

Whats the logical explain as to why jets didnt intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?

Whats your logical explanation to why the black boxes where never recovered but yet... the passports and papers and DNA was recovered from the very HUMANS they claim did the job? Humans are flame resistant and black boxes arent?

Whats a logical explanation to why wont the FBI release the Flight Data Recorder info? What are they hiding? Nothing? Then why not release it to prove there point?

Whats your logical explanation on where the photos of all 19 hijackers come from? Oh.. and so FAST?

Whats your logical explanation as to how could the hijackers disable the defense systems? They seem to have done just that right? How?

Whats your logical explanation as to why there were no passengers in the subway under the WTC at the time of the attacks? It was... Hmm 9am - the greatest time of population because work was starting.

Whats your logical explanation as to why there was no guard at the gold reservoir under the WTC? Hmmmm???

Whats your logical explanation as to where all that GOLD went? If you check your 9/11 commission report it states no GOLD was recovered. Assumed melted. Melted? At the bottom of the building when in actuality it the heat and fire was 70+ stories up... Hmmm what gives?

Whats your logical explanation as to why the bin Ladens flown out of the U.S. on private jets the day after the 9/11? Why where they not held ... after all we already blamed Bin Laden by that point.

Bro... you take a little time and give me a logical explanation to these questions. PLEASE... i am just asking the same as Big A did.
When you are done, i will post 20 more... and then 20 more.... until i have over 150 questions for you to come up with a logical explanation.

JJ Insane1

A lot of these questions are very logical and I think thatthey need a proper logical answer from the powers that be.

Especially the why weren't the black boxes recovered, but identity papers carried by the terorists on their person were found intact.

[Big A]

[quote=JJ Insane1]Would you not consider it "logical" that (photos prove this) if it was hot enough on those floors where the planes hit to melt the steel then a human couldnt withstand that same heat? Yet there are MANY photos of people standing and waiving for help on the SAME floors the plane hit.... at the same time the buildings feel. Is it logical to assume a human can withstand 800c fires but an entire floor of steel cant?[/quote=JJ Insane1]

JJ, that one's just crap. NO ONE survived on the same floors where the planes hit.




I saw at least three survivors from the floor that the plane hit on Oprah. And they described their escape.

[Big A]

Bro
Most of us know you do not live in the US. I want to know... how does the people of your country view our president and this war? What is the overwhelming opinon of the 9/11 offical story?
Now.. i am not saying these are YOUR views.... i just want to know what the majority of people think in places other then the brain controlled US population?

JJ insane1

I don't know a single person that supports Bush and the war in Iraq. Actually, apart from one brainwashed person (he constantly had flawed arguments), everyone was against the war, causing countless demonstrations, some being the largest in the nations history.

Regarding 9/11, noone really cares because noone really likes Americans. Actually, a lot of people said immediately when 9/11 happened - "good, americans deserved that".

You have to remember though, that I like you guys because of the boards, but I am in minority here. Apart from offering good entertainment on TV, most people's interactions with Americans are when the war ships dock here and the sailors invade the cities, causing havoc and raping the local girls.

People view Bush as launching WWIII and our idiotic prime minister dragging our country along in it, sending troops to Iraq and making the SAS be point for the US troops.
Because of America/Bush, everyone feels that what once was the safest country to be in in the world, is now a prime target for terrorism, as it is constantly being publically threatened by AlQuida and the multiple Bali attacks prove.

[JJ Insane1]

I don't know a single person that supports Bush and the war in Iraq. Actually, apart from one brainwashed person (he constantly had flawed arguments), everyone was against the war, causing countless demonstrations, some being the largest in the nations history.

Regarding 9/11, noone really cares because noone really likes Americans. Actually, a lot of people said immediately when 9/11 happened - "good, americans deserved that".

You have to remember though, that I like you guys because of the boards, but I am in minority here. Apart from offering good entertainment on TV, most people's interactions with Americans are when the war ships dock here and the sailors invade the cities, causing havoc and raping the local girls.

People view Bush as launching WWIII and our idiotic prime minister dragging our country along in it, sending troops to Iraq and making the SAS be point for the US troops.
Because of America/Bush, everyone feels that what once was the safest country to be in in the world, is now a prime target for terrorism, as it is constantly being publically threatened by AlQuida and the multiple Bali attacks prove.


Thanks for being honest...
I read foreign media all the time.. online and i watch some stuff on sat. and i have yet to see another country that supports the illegal war Bush pushed.
I keep telling everyone 9/11 was an inside job done by our government because of the overwhelming evidence that points that way. Witnesses, survivors stories, photos, science, common since ect....
This act HAD to be staged in order to be able to convince the world and congress we needed a war... Afghanistan and Osama are just a pawn only needed to get the pipeline (which they did) into Afghanistan in order to pump the oil out of the MAIN target... Iraq.
Our government doesnt care Osama is still free. We have what we went after so... fuck it.
People argue the Bush could have started a war without staging 9/11.
Well...maybe BUT... he needs the "fear" and "booga booga" tactics to keep the nation interested and to validate the fact he never found WMD or ties to Al Quada... so he uses the "terrorism" ploy and "fear" tactic to take away all our fucking rights!
People do not realize the government is just another higher branch of organized crime. What are 3000 dead people (an expendable necessity) to the Bush admin when BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars are on the line? SO much money has been made by the rich from this war. Halliburton, Carlyle group (Daddy Bushes company)... Lockheed martin, All energy companies, bla bla bla... i can do on and on.
I honestly hope that one day someone "in the know" can find the balls to bring PROOF to the table and show the world the Bush Administration is responsible for 9/11 and lying to get there war.
The rest of the world hates America? Yeah i know. I knew this by reading other countries media ect. SS and BBJ will simply say the rest of the world is jealous and hate us because of our freedom.
My response to that is... what about all the "free" countries that also hate us? There are ALLOT of those ya know.... Hmmmm you wonder why? Hell i wonder why NOT! America is viewed all over the world as bullies and invaders... the rest of the world KNOWS we didnt invade Iraq to spread "freedom" and oust Saddam... Bwahahaha .. what a joke. Its known around the world that we just killed off the country in order to steal there oil... then have it pumped through Afghanistan via the pipeline there newly appointed (Enron exc) US puppet president allowed to run through the country.

Now… I am very interested to how SS and BBJ will respond to your post Big A.
If it where me that just posted what you did… I would have already been ridiculed and made to look like a conspiracy theorist.

JJ insane1

[rugbythug]

I have never heard about them finding the Passports intact. And frankly I find it hard to believe. Please supply a link to this info. Preferably from a newspaper or magazine.


JJ just so you know. Before You don't have to melt the steel for the building to fall. At high temps the steel will twist and and loose much of its strength. Then the weight of the concrete will break it. I know this from experiance in a metal shop but it was also covered in Pop Mechancs.

[JJ Insane1]

I have never heard about them finding the Passports intact. And frankly I find it hard to believe. Please supply a link to this info. Preferably from a newspaper or magazine.


JJ just so you know. Before You don't have to melt the steel for the building to fall. At high temps the steel will twist and and loose much of its strength. Then the weight of the concrete will break it. I know this from experiance in a metal shop but it was also covered in Pop Mechancs.


The passports in tact is a fact.. i will find the links from CNN and MSNBC tonight... post them tomorrow.


Now " At high temps the steel will twist and and loose much of its strength. Then the weight of the concrete will break it"

Ok... the steel on the floors that the heat was greatest twisted and lost strength? Twisting and loosing strenght is not melting correct?
If the steel and metal on the floors that we are TOLD where the hottest did not melt... just twisted .... then how in the hell did all the molten metal, iron and steel get into the basement 70+ stories down?.... underground even?

Hmmmmmm??????

JJ Insane1

[rugbythug]

Prove it- You have given no proof on this ever. You have pics for everything else but not this.

[JJ Insane1]

""CBS News reported, meanwhile, that a passport belonging to one of the hijackers, Satam al-Sugami, was found on the street minutes after the plane he was aboard crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center and before the New York landmark collapsed."

http://www.rense.com/general48/secondhijackerpass.htm

"06:05:47 FOX News: A passport belonging to one of the hijackers has been found "

http://www.gnupdate.org/cgi-bin/wtcinfo.pl

http://www.11alive.com/news/usnews_article.aspx?storyid=42069

Go to google... punch in " wtc terrorist passport street"
and it will pull up information you want to see.... but i dont know why bother... everyone knows they found the passport because that is the "excuse" the FBI used to act as if they knew who did the terrorist acts so fast.... all the while, they staged the shit.

These are the quickies.. i will post more later
JJ insane1

[hughesy]

Well let me first state that I am not a Bush supporter. And I did not vote for him in either election.

But I have been a volunteer firefighter for over 16 yrs have taken classes on arson investigation and structual engineering.

1. no the fire did not burn hot enough to melt the steel. But it could have caused it to expand, twist, bow etc... that would have caused the structual failure.

2. the people shown in the picture looking out the wholes could survive there because at that point the jet fuel would have burnt itself out. It has such a high flash point it burns very quickly. And there are reports that some of it went down vents and elevator shafts causing fires on the first floor.

3. The passports found on the street could be possible. If the hijackers were in the front of the plane during impact. The force of the explosion of the jet fuel, which is stored in the wings, could have blown something that light forward further out of the building and onto the street.

4. The balck boxes were never found. The are stored in the tail of the plane. With the speed the planes were traveling on impact forward motion would have put the right into the middle of the fire. And if the did survive that they were in the buildings when they collapsed.

My problem with all of this is not who really did it or who didn't. You have a group of people claiming to have done it. And our esteemed President stands in front of the world and proclaims that he will make them pay. Then attacks a country and a man who had nothing to do with it. Yes Sadamm was a tyrant and did not belong in power. But don't use 9/11 as an excuss to go after him. If thats what you want to do then be honest on your intentions about it and get proper international backing. Don't use lies and fake evidence.And do NOT do it until you have sought out and brought the people who carried out 9/11 to justice.

[BigBoyJ]

Now that was a good post, Hughesy. I can agree with what you said there. Although, I still think we did need to take out Iraq.

[JJ Insane1]

Now that was a good post, Hughesy. I can agree with what you said there. Although, I still think we did need to take out Iraq.


BBJ - you fucker! Why come when i post that you tell me i an a nutt ball?
I say the same things... just in different explinations.
Man.. my feelings are hurt.:(

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

BBJ - you fucker! Why come when i post that you tell me i an a nutt ball?
I say the same things... just in different explinations.
Man.. my feelings are hurt.:(

JJ Insane1


I thought you believed the black boxes were found and the fbi was hiding them. I also never heard you give an explanation as to how the passports were found intact, other than the government planted them. I also thought you believed that the people in the pictures couldn't have stood there if the planes hit there. Hughesy also gives reasons for the buildings collapse, that you said were impossible. I thought you said it was controlled demolition.

Are you saying you agree with Hughesy on this? Ya nutball.:p

[JJ Insane1]

I thought you believed the black boxes were found and the fbi was hiding them. I also never heard you give an explanation as to how the passports were found intact, other than the government planted them. I also thought you believed that the people in the pictures couldn't have stood there if the planes hit there. Hughesy also gives reasons for the buildings collapse, that you said were impossible. I thought you said it was controlled demolition.

Are you saying you agree with Hughesy on this? Ya nutball.:p

I do
I do
and... i do.
Yes.. i believe all that -You give me an explination as to how a passport can fly 2 blocks away but the person holding it burns into a firey ball of crust?
Other then... it was planted, i have no other explination.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

I do
I do
and... i do.
Yes.. i believe all that -You give me an explination as to how a passport can fly 2 blocks away but the person holding it burns into a firey ball of crust?
Other then... it was planted, i have no other explination.

JJ Insane1

Well, why would someone brilliant enough to organize the world's largest controlled demolition (without ever getting caught) be stupid enough to put unharmed passports out on the street and say they belonged to the terrorists that just got blown away at impact? I'm sure they would've realized that doing something like that would fuel a conspiracy man's mind. I think Hughesy gave a good explanation for that. At least to me it makes more sense than thinking the government put the passports there.

[JJ Insane1]

Well, why would someone brilliant enough to organize the world's largest controlled demolition (without ever getting caught) be stupid enough to put unharmed passports out on the street and say they belonged to the terrorists that just got blown away at impact? I'm sure they would've realized that doing something like that would fuel a conspiracy man's mind. I think Hughesy gave a good explanation for that. At least to me it makes more sense than thinking the government put the passports there.


Because they know the brainwashed people of America would believe any bullshit that comes out of there mouth as long as it is labled as a government "Investigation". Thats why... and it worked (for the brain washed that is).

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

Because they know the brainwashed people of America would believe any bullshit that comes out of there mouth as long as it is labled as a government "Investigation". Thats why... and it worked (for the brain washed that is).

JJ Insane1

I'm still trying to figure out who's really the brainwashed one's here, JJ. I think you have brainwashed yourself into a mental block against EVERYTHING the government says. If Bush said "some apples are red", I'm pretty sure you'd think it was a lie and conspiracy.:D

[JJ Insane1]

I'm still trying to figure out who's really the brainwashed one's here, JJ. I think you have brainwashed yourself into a mental block against EVERYTHING the government says. If Bush said "some apples are red", I'm pretty sure you'd think it was a lie and conspiracy.:D


Just ask your self a common since question.
The plane burnt into NOTHING... every single passenger disintegrated into nothing from being burnt by jet fuel..... yet
A paper passport somehow made it out of the pocket of (none the less) one of the terrorist....fell 2 blocks away... and just COEINCIDENTALY... it was the passport that confirmed that "terrorist" did that horrible act.
The FBI found the passport.... and this in turn is how they knew within 12 hours who they wanted you to believe was responsible for the attacks.
Bro... that is SO far fetched.

Its called.... planting evidence. Its done all the time in local and federal branches of policing. Its not hard to do and MOST of the gullible sheep of the government will believe any thing the "FBI -CIA" tells them. Why? Hell i have no clue. They are as crooked as the fucking mafia.

Ahhh... this is a pointless subject. I could care less what anyone believes.... my common since tells me that there is no way a fucking paper passport could make it through all that when they couldnt even get the DNA from anyone on the plane. To top it all off... it was the passport of a terrorist.
Jeezzzz man - you actually fall for shit like that?


JJ insane1

[rugbythug]

JJ Back up your assumptions

I googled what you stated and came up with a bunch of crap from conspericy cooks like yourself.

[JJ Insane1]

JJ Back up your assumptions

I googled what you stated and came up with a bunch of crap from conspericy cooks like yourself.


Go to your local book store - Barnes and Noble .. ect.
Buy the book called "9/11 COMMISSION REPORT"

Go to the section where it talks about evidence found that the FBI used to come up with the fact Arabs where responsible within 24 hours.
There you will read about the passport.

Also... CBS IS A CONSPIRACY SITE? THEY ARE THE FIRST TO BREAK THE PASSPORT STORY AND GOOGLE PROVES THAT
You know what... dont bother. If the passport came down and slapped you in the head that day... you wouldnt believe it because you DONT WANT TO BELIEVE IT.... so why bother. Just go with your bogus made up "offical" bullshit government story like all the other sheepal of the USA.
I will stick to what common since tells me.
JJ insane1

[rugbythug]

I found it. Although I find it hard to believe, I don't think it is much evidence of a conspiricy. There are way to many holes in your theories for me.


1. Why planes and bombs? You don't need both requires more cooridanation and A higher chance of getting caught.

2. Inconsistent Heat patterns. You claim all 3 buildings went down because of Thermite explosions. Yet your heat readings only show up in the 2 buildings with airplanes in them.

3. What about the other 2 planes?

4. Why did al queda take credit? I saw Osama On TV.

[Big A]

4. Why did al queda take credit? I saw Osama On TV.

Uhmm, power? :confused:

[rugbythug]

So you think that Al Queda is in better shape now? They are MORE powerful?

[JJ Insane1]

So you think that Al Queda is in better shape now? They are MORE powerful?

Well.. my friend. According to every single fucking explosion since 9/11 ... spain, Egypt... london... they claimed them all to be "Al Queda' bombings.
They all have "Al Queda" hallmarks.... every single bad thing that happens in the middle east has some bullshit tie to Al Queda.
Its the only "fear" group they have to sell.


1. Why planes and bombs? You don't need both requires more cooridanation and A higher chance of getting caught.
That is so obvious i cant believe you asked it. The buildings where built to withstand planes hitting them ... they knew this... hell we knew that.... so in order for the buildings to fall... (oh so perfectly straight down onto there selves i might add) they had to add the bombs... if the buildings didnt fall then it would be the same as when the car bomb went off in the first fake ass Al Queda attack in the 90s... it didnt sell the war... but the buildings falling sure did.... "fear fear ... the sky is falling"


2. Inconsistent Heat patterns. You claim all 3 buildings went down because of Thermite explosions. Yet your heat readings only show up in the 2 buildings with airplanes in them.
There are images with the same heat readings for building 7... it had the same amount of molten metal and steel in it... and no i am not going to look it up and prove it... its there, just dont feel like trying to prove a point to someone who wouldnt believe the sky is blue just because i am the one who said it....

3. What about the other 2 planes?
What about them? One hit the pentagon... did minimal damage and showed it was an attack on the government (needed that for a better case for war) ... and the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down... no fucking terrorist blew it up
.


4. Why did al queda take credit? I saw Osama On TV.
Ha ha ... well, considering Osama had just visited the Bush ranch a year before... and was already pals with Bush... why wouldnt he make a video to help sell his war for Oil? After all he got a nice little piple line deal out of it straight through Afghanistan.... might i remind you - they never caught/killed/seen him during the last 4 years? Hmmmm imagine that?
Might i remind you... they only spent 30 fucking days blowing up rocks in Afghanistan .... and less then 30k troops to do it? Imagine that....your common since would seem to tell you... for some reason Osama and Afghanistan was not a big priority to Ol Bush and company. Wonder why... oh... we know why.


JJ insane1

[BigBoyJ]

But JJ, I thought terrorists didn't exist.

[rugbythug]

Well.. my friend. According to every single fucking explosion since 9/11 ... spain, Egypt... london... they claimed them all to be "Al Queda' bombings.
They all have "Al Queda" hallmarks.... every single bad thing that happens in the middle east has some bullshit tie to Al Queda.
Its the only "fear" group they have to sell.


1. Why planes and bombs? You don't need both requires more cooridanation and A higher chance of getting caught.
That is so obvious i cant believe you asked it. The buildings where built to withstand planes hitting them ... they knew this... hell we knew that.... so in order for the buildings to fall... (oh so perfectly straight down onto there selves i might add) they had to add the bombs... if the buildings didnt fall then it would be the same as when the car bomb went off in the first fake ass Al Queda attack in the 90s... it didnt sell the war... but the buildings falling sure did.... "fear fear ... the sky is falling"

Listen to your logic-They had to use bombs because planes wouldn't take down the building. Well then why did they have to use planes???? Why not just bombs like WTC 1?


2. Inconsistent Heat patterns. You claim all 3 buildings went down because of Thermite explosions. Yet your heat readings only show up in the 2 buildings with airplanes in them.
There are images with the same heat readings for building 7... it had the same amount of molten metal and steel in it... and no i am not going to look it up and prove it... its there, just dont feel like trying to prove a point to someone who wouldnt believe the sky is blue just because i am the one who said it....

Yeah I have photos of JFK committing suicide-But I don't feel like digging them up either. ANd the whole Molten Steel crap- You have no proof of that.

3. What about the other 2 planes?
What about them? One hit the pentagon... did minimal damage and showed it was an attack on the government (needed that for a better case for war) ... and the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down... no fucking terrorist blew it up

No proof I am assuming?

4. Why did al queda take credit? I saw Osama On TV.
Ha ha ... well, considering Osama had just visited the Bush ranch a year before... and was already pals with Bush... why wouldnt he make a video to help sell his war for Oil? After all he got a nice little piple line deal out of it straight through Afghanistan.... might i remind you - they never caught/killed/seen him during the last 4 years? Hmmmm imagine that?
Might i remind you... they only spent 30 fucking days blowing up rocks in Afghanistan .... and less then 30k troops to do it? Imagine that....your common since would seem to tell you... for some reason Osama and Afghanistan was not a big priority to Ol Bush and company. Wonder why... oh... we know why.

When was Osama on US soil? Not since he bombed the US embassies that I am sure of. Do you know what Afgahanistan looks like? It is like Alaska on Steroids. How long did it take for the FBI to catch Rudolph the Atlanta bomber? In the woods back east? And that is on home soil with little to no help from the locals.

JJ insane1
Rugbythug

[JJ Insane1]

Listen to your logic-They had to use bombs because planes wouldn't take down the building. Well then why did they have to use planes???? Why not just bombs like WTC 1?
Because the American public would not believe that someone could rig three of the tallest buildings with the proper amount of explosives and actually not be seen doing it. So... stage the planes and use the explosives as the back up. Its pretty simple. You can sell what you can see with your own eyes (hell you bought it - hook line and sinker) and it was very easy to see those planes and very easy to come up with a quick culprit....

Yeah I have photos of JFK committing suicide-But I don't feel like digging them up either. ANd the whole Molten Steel crap- You have no proof of that.
Well if you have pic of JFK committing suicide then please... share. Bro - what good does it do for me to take 30 minutes going through disks i have shit saved on just to prove something to YOU? You wont believe it no matter what just because i am the one who proves it. If Big A or BBJ posted the same proof... you wouldnt attempt to argue... so what good does it to for me to waste my time on you? Believe what you want... i could care less. Your going to anyway. I cant change that. The only way you would change your mind is for your government to tell you the truth... other wise you will just follow the trail they lead there sheep down. Thats sad.


When was Osama on US soil? Not since he bombed the US embassies that I am sure of. Do you know what Afghanistan looks like? It is like Alaska on Steroids. How long did it take for the FBI to catch Rudolph the Atlanta bomber? In the woods back east? And that is on home soil with little to no help from the locals.
Bro... that is SO old news. Every one has already been over the Osama at the ranch bullshit... just look it up for your self, maybe if you look it up for your self you will believe it... because if i post it you sure wont.
Hmmm... Osama in Afghanistan..... you have to be kidding me right?
A 6ft 2 inch leader of the worlds largest (they say anyway) terrorist group... walking around a desert on a fucking kidney dialysis machine? You do know that anyone on Kidney dialysis will need medical attention frequently hu?
Besides.... they never even attempted to look for him anyway. Hell YOUR dipshit president even announced in his speech that Osama wasnt a priority anymore.... and they basically where not looking for him. Ha they never did.
Also... wasnt it SADDAM whom we fucking supplied all his nice weapons to in the 80s? Imagine that.... when we want to make money from him by selling him our weapons... its ok! Then we just take over and take them back 15 years later... no big deal, after all we are "America the super power"... ha ha ha ha... fucking bullies if you ask me. Nothing more.

JJ insane1

[rugbythug]

Listen to your logic-They had to use bombs because planes wouldn't take down the building. Well then why did they have to use planes???? Why not just bombs like WTC 1?
Because the American public would not believe that someone could rig three of the tallest buildings with the proper amount of explosives and actually not be seen doing it. So... stage the planes and use the explosives as the back up. Its pretty simple. You can sell what you can see with your own eyes (hell you bought it - hook line and sinker) and it was very easy to see those planes and very easy to come up with a quick culprit....

Yeah I have photos of JFK committing suicide-But I don't feel like digging them up either. ANd the whole Molten Steel crap- You have no proof of that.
Well if you have pic of JFK committing suicide then please... share. Bro - what good does it do for me to take 30 minutes going through disks i have shit saved on just to prove something to YOU? You wont believe it no matter what just because i am the one who proves it. If Big A or BBJ posted the same proof... you wouldnt attempt to argue... so what good does it to for me to waste my time on you? Believe what you want... i could care less. Your going to anyway. I cant change that. The only way you would change your mind is for your government to tell you the truth... other wise you will just follow the trail they lead there sheep down. Thats sad.


When was Osama on US soil? Not since he bombed the US embassies that I am sure of. Do you know what Afghanistan looks like? It is like Alaska on Steroids. How long did it take for the FBI to catch Rudolph the Atlanta bomber? In the woods back east? And that is on home soil with little to no help from the locals.
Bro... that is SO old news. Every one has already been over the Osama at the ranch bullshit... just look it up for your self, maybe if you look it up for your self you will believe it... because if i post it you sure wont.
Hmmm... Osama in Afghanistan..... you have to be kidding me right?
A 6ft 2 inch leader of the worlds largest (they say anyway) terrorist group... walking around a desert on a fucking kidney dialysis machine? You do know that anyone on Kidney dialysis will need medical attention frequently hu?
Besides.... they never even attempted to look for him anyway. Hell YOUR dipshit president even announced in his speech that Osama wasnt a priority anymore.... and they basically where not looking for him. Ha they never did.
Also... wasnt it SADDAM whom we fucking supplied all his nice weapons to in the 80s? Imagine that.... when we want to make money from him by selling him our weapons... its ok! Then we just take over and take them back 15 years later... no big deal, after all we are "America the super power"... ha ha ha ha... fucking bullies if you ask me. Nothing more.

JJ insane1
First it was not Osama- It was his brother. I know 6 of one half dozen of the other. However you can't arrest one brother for the others crimes. And Afghanistan is not a typical desert it is high mountain desert very hard to patrol and control.

I think you underestimate me I am very open minded even about this, just because I think what you are saying is wrong does not mean everything you say I think is BS. IMO your hatred for bush has clouded some of your judgements.

[Big A]

So you think that Al Queda is in better shape now? They are MORE powerful?

Of course they are. Everyone knows who they are now (did you know about them before 9/11?) and their main weapon is fear, and by Gosh they put fear into people now!

[rugbythug]

Actually I knew who they were since the Bombings on our embassies. But I am not the average person. Al queda is not in a better position IMO. They are getting to much heat, they can no longer train openly like the old days. They are no longer welcome openly in any country.

[JJ Insane1]

I think you underestimate me I am very open minded even about this, just because I think what you are saying is wrong does not mean everything you say I think is BS. IMO your hatred for bush has clouded some of your judgements.


You are open mind toward anything Big A says... anything BBJ says... but anything i say is total bullshit to you. Hey.. i could care less.
My hatred for Bush is genuine. It does nothing to cloud my mind. He is the cause of all this bullshit... so he only fuels my fire.
This country has gone all to hell since the day he stepped into office and started taking his 9 months worth of vacations... until he staged the 9/11 attacks he did nothing BUT vacation... thats proven...
Then... all of a sudden he taunts his self as the worlds liberator... Ha ha .. what a fucking joke. He has destroyed our countries reputation around the world... he has destroyed our respect around the world. He has destroyed our economy. He has destroyed the employment factors of this country.
He has ravished the national deficit .... spent more then ALL the other presidents before him combined. He LIED to get an illegal war started for his personal gain....
How in the hell can you defend all these fact? None and i mean... NONE of this was present before that fucking idiot was put into office.
Now... our country is seeing all these things. The sheep are waking up and the sheep are seeing the truth.
You or anyone else that supports this idiot are now just a 37% majority in his OWN country. This does not even include the entire rest of the world that hates him.
He is a ruthless tyrant.... no better then Saddam. My hatred toward him? Hell yes i hate the mother fucker.
Nothing you say...nothing anyone can say will ever change the way i think.
I judge by common since.... and anyone who does this will end up hating the bastard as well.


JJ Insane1

[rugbythug]

You are open mind toward anything Big A says... anything BBJ says... but anything i say is total bullshit to you. Hey.. i could care less.

I have an open mind about everything you say to. However I find flaws in all your arguements. Very basic flaws, you have yet to state any opinion with solid factual data. Everything I have looked up has been heresay. The only reason I keep coming back to this site is to debate with you. You are the only one who keeps this place alive. You are pigeon Holing me and saying you think you know me when you don't know anything about me. The only thing you talk about is 9/11 and some parts of the war, Then you seem to get glee from any problems the country goes through.


My hatred for Bush is genuine. It does nothing to cloud my mind. He is the cause of all this bullshit... so he only fuels my fire.

Since when has hatred every made someone think more clearly?

This country has gone all to hell since the day he stepped into office and started taking his 9 months worth of vacations... until he staged the 9/11 attacks he did nothing BUT vacation... thats proven...

That's a laugh even when the president is on Vacation he is still working. Just cause Micheal Moore says something doesn't make it true.
Then... all of a sudden he taunts his self as the worlds liberator... Ha ha .. what a fucking joke. He has destroyed our countries reputation around the world... he has destroyed our respect around the world.

What Respect-The only thing the rest of the world has ever liked about us is our money. And they still love that. Since the war I have been to the Bahamas and Greece, Not once did one person say anything about the war to me or Bush or anything else. And it was obvious I was American. My lifting partner Spent two weeks in Afghanistan and people there were super Generous, He said it was wierd, He is a Millionare and this people were sharing there food that would last them a week with him.
The people who hate America always have and always will. Why because right now we are the only super power. When Britain or France was well all the countries hated them.

He has destroyed our economy.

Bush brought us out of a recession and got our country back faster than anyone expected. Our Economy is as good as it has ever been right now. Check the facts.

He has destroyed the employment factors of this country.

Employment is higher than anywhere else in the world.
He has ravished the national deficit ....

Republicans not Bush only have over spent. This is one that goes on the whole bloated Washington Establishment. Bush does not write laws he only signs them

spent more then ALL the other presidents before him combined.
He LIED to get an illegal war started for his personal gain....

What makes a war legal or Illegal? Congress Voted whether you like it or not. 19 different countries including the UN had the Same conclusions that the US had.

How in the hell can you defend all these fact?

Only with the truth
None and i mean... NONE of this was present before that fucking idiot was put into office.

Now... our country is seeing all these things. The sheep are waking up and the sheep are seeing the truth.

That is funny. You don't care you just want to be another shephard.

You or anyone else that supports this idiot are now just a 37% majority in his OWN country. This does not even include the entire rest of the world that hates him.
He is a ruthless tyrant.... no better then Saddam. My hatred toward him? Hell yes i hate the mother fucker.


Nothing you say...nothing anyone can say will ever change the way i think.
I judge by common since.... and anyone who does this will end up hating the bastard as well.

I Know this but it is still fun making you answer the uncomfortable questions.




JJ Insane1
Please see above.

[JJ Insane1]

Bro
I do not even claim to know you. I know you have your personal opinions and i respect them. I cant help your blind to seeing the things i and most of the rest of the country now see. Either way... so be it. You have your own mind.

Everything i say is hear say... well everything you tend to disagree with you call hear say.
You can not PROVE those buildings fell because of the planes... every single theory the government has given you is in essence... there "opinion" of what happened and there for ... just hear say.
BTW... allot of criminals have been convicted on just "hear say" ya know.

Our economy is SHIT... i dont care what you say. Look around bro? A million lay offs .... people loosing there jobs .... people not working, ALL spending is down for christmas and the stores are suffering. How can you say the economy is good? Sure for YOU its good... you seem upper class... your trips you take to other countries aint cheap.... but for anyone who does not have allot of money... or a HIGH paying job... the economy is SHIT.


The illegal war.. SURE congress and 19 other countries voted for the war.... because the Evidence they where given was corrupt! LIES... if the TRUTH was known... if they knew there really where no WMD ... and no ties to Al Queda (like BUSH KNEW... read the downing street memos) then the Iraq war would have never happened and YOU know this.
That country has NOTHING to do with what they "say" happened on 9/11. There is no reason for us to be there... none what so ever.
Liberators of the world... ha ha ha... what about all the other countries that where and ARE 100xs more of a threat then Iraq ever was? Why didnt we "liberate" those NONE oil having countries? Hmmmm well i just answered that for you... NO OIL!
Iran has oil... but guess what... Iran can actually FIGHT BACK. The cant cook up a good excuse to bomb the shit out of them ...YET... and you can bet they are working on it.


Employment is higher then anywhere else in the world... well, yeah it probably is... but compared to 1999 and before...it SUCKS.
You know this as well.

Bushes vacation time - Not only did Michael Moore say it... it is documented. He did vacation... he played golf, he chopped trees on his ranch.... bla bla
Sure... technically he was still working because he is the president for Gods sakes... he cant just stop while he is vacationing... but he still didnt do SHIT except vacation.... NOT WORK.
Oh... even while Katrina bashed the country all to hell... where was he? On a fucking vacation... and it pissed him off that he had to cut it short. Jeezzz


I could care less who signs bills... or laws, i could care less what republicans do... what democrats do... the fact is this... During Bushes time in office... HIM AND HIS ADMINISTRATION have spent more money then all the other presidents combined..... mean while crippling the nation deficit.
Thats a fact. Period.

rugbythug - personally i like you. The reason being... you seem very intelligent and you stick behind what you believe. I just see you as a "stay between the lines' type of person. You only believe what you can see.
I cant see God... but i know he exists. I cant see air but i know its there.
I didnt see the bombs in those buildings but my common since and the fact that no other steel structure has EVER fallen due to the reason they gave those buildings for falling... makes me believe bombs did the trick.
Its nice to be able to outlet my rage using this board... i just do not want enemies because of what i believe.
Nothing i say is meant toward you personally.... just always remember that.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

I'm BACK!! Well, JJ, let me start off by saying that 89% of the population DOES NOT agree with you. You believe that the government performed the attacks on the WTC. The majority of America does NOT believe that. The majority of the population may believe that they were mislead about the reasons for starting the war, but that's a long way from saying BUSH blew up the towers with a controlled demolition. Even I agree that we were mislead as to why the war was started, but it doesn't mean I think our government killed thousands of Americans as an excuse to go to war.

Have you checked the news lately, JJ? Unemployments down, the economy's growing, hell everything's looking better. Not bad for a president with so much to deal with. I know how much you hate to hear that things are going better, but try to deal with it.:D

[JJ Insane1]

I'm BACK!! Well, JJ, let me start off by saying that 89% of the population DOES NOT agree with you. You believe that the government performed the attacks on the WTC. The majority of America does NOT believe that. The majority of the population may believe that they were mislead about the reasons for starting the war, but that's a long way from saying BUSH blew up the towers with a controlled demolition. Even I agree that we were mislead as to why the war was started, but it doesn't mean I think our government killed thousands of Americans as an excuse to go to war.

Have you checked the news lately, JJ? Unemployments down, the economy's growing, hell everything's looking better. Not bad for a president with so much to deal with. I know how much you hate to hear that things are going better, but try to deal with it.:D


God you had to rare your big noggan back up again..... Jeezzz

Anyway... my fellow friend BBJ - You are wrong....
This poll has nothing to do with the war... its a poll about 9/11 cover ups dealing with the WTC demolishings...
See your self...

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat...#Post294196063

CNN Online Poll: 89% Believe There's Been a 9/11 Cover-up

Now... yes.... 89% do believe what i believe... there was a cover up and they where lied to.

About the economy ect.... if you want to live in your own little world and believe everything is hunky dorie... then fine... my reality shows me the economy sucks and so does the employment.
JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

Well, the link didn't work for me, but there is no way you'll convince me that the majority of the population believes that our government attacked the WTC. Yes, I do believe the public believes there was a cover up, but not that our government was responsible. That's the kind of thing left up to the truly elite of the conspiracy theorists. And you are the king of that group, my friend.:D

[JJ Insane1]

Well, the link didn't work for me, but there is no way you'll convince me that the majority of the population believes that our government attacked the WTC. Yes, I do believe the public believes there was a cover up, but not that our government was responsible. That's the kind of thing left up to the truly elite of the conspiracy theorists. And you are the king of that group, my friend.:D



The article didnt say what the public believed... but if 89% believe there was a cover up... then what else could they think? Why would the government cover up anything OTHER then them selves doing the act?
It speaks for its self. Cover up means corrupt government actions...

Why do you call me a conspiracy theorist? I believe another version of what the government says happened. In reality ... the government can NOT prove those planes caused the buildings to fall ... so in fact they are just giving there "theory" of what happened. So... does that make the government conspiracy theorist also? I would tend to think... yes it does.
Bro... its totally possible for the government to pull such an act off and get away with it... how? They control the information. They give an "official explanation" and all the sheep dismiss the whole thing. Why do you and the other 11% of the of he country find it so hard to believe the government wouldnt lie to you? They are corrupt... all governments. Yes.. Clinton, Yes... Bush Sr.... Yes...Carter... they are all corrupt in some way. The Bush administration is the worst of all.

Bro... i do not believe in aliens... i do not think bigfoot exist... i do not believe in anything that you could really call me a conspiracy theorist for believing.
Just because i do not believe the word of "the government" doesnt mean i am a conspiracy theorist. They are human.. they can lie and cheat and steal just like any other corrupt organization. Why do you find it so hard to believe they would kill a couple thousand people in order to get the OIL wells they need? Billions... and i mean Billions of dollars have been made from this war. People kill now for $5.00. Whats a couple thousand for a billion?
I believe common since. My common since tells me the buildings fell because of bombs placed inside them and the planes where just a smoke screen in order to blame it on someone else ... eventually getting the "war on terror" they wanted to start with. Away goes your rights... because "the sky is falling... the sky is falling... booga booga'
Its to simple to see.
Open your eyes and your mind and you will agree.
JJ insane1