9/11 Myths

[rugbythug]

Hey JJ Read this.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Let me know what you think.

[JJ Insane1]

Hey JJ Read this.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Let me know what you think.

Bro
I have already read that about 3 times. This is what i think.... everything in that article is just the same as the stuff i post... "he said- she said" shit. Nothing proven.
I can NOT prove the buildings where destroyed by controlled demolition but... they can NOT prove they where not.
Sure, anyone with a "expertise" in a certain field can be hired or paid to say what you want them to say. For enough money i would tell them i was in the building and seen the planes destroy them... even if i seen the bombs go off.
I am just saying this....
There will always be "the experts" side of the story(what they want you to hear) ... and anything else will be considered the "conspiracy theory" side of the story (what they don’t want you to hear)
Neither side can PROVE what happened.

My basis on what i believe is this.... i can see with my own eyes. I watched those buildings fall. I seen the planes hit. I seen the big billowing ball of dust cloud that shot debris out of the building... i seen with my own eyes the way they feel STRAIGHT down just like a controlled demolition. I seen it only took an hour or so (never in history has one even fell, much less in an hour) ... i seen there was no intense heat in the hole where the planes hit... i seen with my own eyes the people standing in the HOLES where experts claim contained 800+ temps.... i seen WTC #7 fall straight down... starting on the inside it collapsed with the outside walls falling into the middle (basic demolition) ... i seen all this with my own eyes. My common since and my personal witness to this event tells me that those planes did not cause those buildings to fall. My common since tells me they fell way to perfect and in to short of a time ... cause by controlled demolition. Building #7 was hardly damaged and it was also filled with "blast proof" windows ect... it was not your average tall building. I was built to sustain attacks, bombs, planes, ect but yet after never even being hit by anything other then small falling debris - it feel oh so perfect.
All the people in the article you posted are simply giving there personal "expert" opinion of what happened. That is the opinions that Popular science wanted to exploit. None of then are actually proving anything.
I am sure i can find plenty of "experts" that will give you my side of the story but guess what? Popular Mechanics sure as hell wont publish that .... it goes against the government and that is something they know better then to do.
You do that and you loose your job and freedom.

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Ok...
The official FEMA and 9/11 commission report ADMITS the fires (800c) where NOT hot enough to MELT the steel in the buildings. The official explanation is the trusses "weakened" due to the heat. The official (this is fact) explanation is the weakened trusses cause them to collapse into the floors below... causing a pancake effect.
We all agree on this correct?

Now.. with this being said....
If the trusses NEVER melted because the heat WAS NOT hot enough to melt them... then WHY was there MOLTED METAL in the bottom (basements) of ALL 3 TOWERS?
Please ... explain that? Its a FACT there WAS molted metal and steel UNDER the rubble.... how?

There is only ONE explanation - Thermite explosions! Thermite is a high temperature explosive which is a known FACT produces MOLTED IRON as a end product after the explosion!

There where bombs in those buildings! Sooner or later ... it will be proven. There are ALLOT of people interested in this and its becoming more mainstream...
If you watch WTC 7 fall ... you can see it was obviously a controlled demolition. It was never hit by ANY planes... and the fires in it where admitted "small" fires.
Yet.. it feel with the middle giving first... then the side collapsing in on top of the middle... this is text book demolition.

Watch it your self -

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif


Now... please, someone offer me a explanation as to how MOLTED IRON and METAL was found all through the BOTTOM (under the rubble) of all 3 buildings?

[rugbythug]

There is much more metal in the buildings than just steel. And metal has different melting points. Even different grades of steel has different melting points.

[JJ Insane1]

There is much more metal in the buildings than just steel. And metal has different melting points. Even different grades of steel has different melting points.

Dude, thats a very weak response. There was MOLTED METAL AND IRON in the BOTTOM (under the 70 to100 stories of falling building - where there should have been NO HEAT) of ALL 3 buildings. WTC 7 even had molted metal in the bottom of it.
To say metal has different melting points is not an explanation.
How can it even melt when there is NO REASON FOR HEAT to be in the bottom of the buildings?
ALL the heat was 70+ stories up.
Remember... pancaking is what the official explanation is... so if all the floors pancaked under the weight of the floor above.... there would be 70+ stories of RUBBLE between the basements and the heat that was “suppose” to have been generated by the plane fuel... so there is NO reason for underground heat.
Facts are facts.
There was molted metal and Iron in the bottom of all 3 buildings... there is no reasonable excuse other then Thremite explosions for there to have been that amount of heat under 70 stories of concrete and twisted steel. Go to any site and read about Thermite explosions and you will see that molted metal is a by product of using Thermite explosives.

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Are we to believe that these people can stand in the very hole that we are TOLD contains this massive metal and steel melting heat that caused the steel to buckle?
Let me see... these people are standing right where all the jet fuel ignited - the very place all the "office supplies" "carpet" "chairs" are "suppose" to be burning uncontrollably ... 70+ stories from the bottom of the building but yet somehow the bottom of the building melted and these people didnt?

Fire produces heat correct? Where is the heat in these pictures?
Fire produces smoke correct? Where is all the smoke in these pictures?
If fire can melt steel and melt metal... why isnt it melting or burning these people whom stand in the very spot all the fire is suppose to be?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc1_man.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc1_woman_impact-area_full_small.jpg


Hmmmmm can we use common since here?

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Here is a picture that shows the thermal hot spots of the WTCs.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/thermalhotspots.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc_hotspot.key.tgif.small.jpg
Hot Spot Temp ºC
A 727 ºC
B 557 ºC
C 627 ºC
D 517 ºC
E 437 ºC
F 427 ºC
G 747 ºC
H 547 ºC


In perfect conditions the maximum temperature that can be reached by hydrocarbons like jet-fuel, burning in air is 1520° F (825° C). When the WTC buildings collapsed the buried fires would have been deprived of oxygen and their temperatures would have significantly decreased.
It is implausible that the hot spots found many days after the collapses could have resulted from fires ignited by hydrocarbons due to the high temperatures recorded. There was no inferno in WTC 2 when it collapsed, so what caused the hot spots in the wreckage of this tower?
Molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed [from WTCs 1 & 2],” Molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.
Conventional fires burning under tons of rubble would be oxygen starved, therefore the smoke produced would be black, not white. Also, large amounts of soot would have been produced in five days, therefore the temperatures of the oxygen starved fires should have been significantly lower.

The fires in the WTC wreckage were not conventional fires.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html

[rugbythug]

Please stop using people about to jump out of the towers as your proof. That is insane. If it is not on fire than why are they about to jump?

[rugbythug]

I also don't understand why the CIA or however you claim did this would both crash planes into the building and blow them up? What good does it do? Why blow up building 7? hours later-its not like you needed to.

[rugbythug]

Just a note- The thermal imaging you are using is from sept 16th-Not the 11th. All the heat in those photos is from other fuel sources and heat that is trapped in the rubble.

[rugbythug]

http://911review.com/errors/wtc/seismic.html
deals with your seismic questions

http://911review.com/errors/wtc/molten.html
talks about molten metal that only your website seems to have knowledge of. Plus no photos were ever taken.

[JJ Insane1]

Just a note- The thermal imaging you are using is from sept 16th-Not the 11th. All the heat in those photos is from other fuel sources and heat that is trapped in the rubble.


EXACTLY... I KNOW THEY ARE FROM THE 16TH! 4 DAYS AFTER THE BUILDINGS WHERE DEMOLISHED.
What logical reason would there STILL be that much thermal activity?
Hmmmm... because a couple of planes crashed into the building... 70 STORIES ABOVE THE BASMEMENT? NOT HARDLY MY FRIEND.
THERMITE EXPLOSIONS... THATS WHY.

[JJ Insane1]

Please stop using people about to jump out of the towers as your proof. That is insane. If it is not on fire than why are they about to jump?

My friend.... why is it insane to use the people as proof? Tell me bro - can a human body withstand 800c temperatures? What about 1510c temps?
Ohhhh... no you say?
Well.. thats what we are TOLD the temperatures where on THE VERY FLOORS the people are standing.
NONE OF THE PEOPLE I SHOWED YOU JUMPED! THEY WHERE WAITING TO BE RESCUED WHEN THE BUILDINGS WHERE DEMOLISHED AND THEY DIED.

NONE OF THEM JUMPED DUE TO FIRE.... DO YOU SEE A PICTURE OF THEM JUMPING? NO... THEY ARE WAIVING FOR HELP!

NO FIRE... NO HEAT...

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

http://911review.com/errors/wtc/seismic.html
deals with your seismic questions

http://911review.com/errors/wtc/molten.html
talks about molten metal that only your website seems to have knowledge of. Plus no photos were ever taken.


Bla... bla bla..... bro, i think you like to argue just to see your self argue.

There is no explination for those buildings having molten metal in them... except THERMITE EXPLOSIONS.
How in the hell can HEAT (that did not exist) from 70+ stories ABOVE the basement cause molten metal.... UNDER THE 70 FLOORS OF CONCRETE AND RUBBLE?
LISTEN TO ME CLOSE - THE FIRES DID NOT EVEN MELT THE METAL AND STEEL ON THE FLOORS THAT THE PLANES CRASHED INTO... THAT IS A FACT!
HOW IN THE HELL CAN IT MELT SOMETHING 70 STORIES UNDER IT?
IT CANT - THERMITE CAN.
Very simple.
JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

I also don't understand why the CIA or however you claim did this would both crash planes into the building and blow them up? What good does it do? Why blow up building 7? hours later-its not like you needed to.


Again... LISTEN CLOSE -

Planes crashing into buildings = Terrorist attacks!
Buildings falling = American backing Bush in war on "terror".
Planes = terrorist = Americans scared = FEAR = taking always our rights due to "fear" = starting a war for oil.

This is SO cut and dry bro... its so simple.
Your problem is this.... you see what i see. You know that common since will tell you those buildings where actually destroyed from controlled demolition.
The difference between you and me is ... you can not conceive in your mind that YOUR government would do such a horrible act ... for MONEY and POWER!
YES... they would, they did... and they got away with it... (so far).
Billions and BILLIONS of dollars have been made from this bullshit war. Almost all our constitutional rights have been taken away due to "fear" and the patriot act.
Its sad bro... very sad.
Let me ask you something.... you think the government couldnt pull something like this off and not get away with it correct?
So.. you think 19 fucking towel heads with nothing more the box fucking cutters can pull it off and get away with it... but your very POWERFUL and secretive government couldnt?
Then if that is what you think... then you are saying those idiot Muslims are more intelligent then YOUR government.

Well.... in reality... all 19 probably where more intelligent then that IDIOT that YOU call your president.
JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Tell me... how can this building (built no where near as good as the WTCs but used the same basic plans)
could withstand 18 freakin hours of fire and heat that was the same as the WTC fires and still be standing... yet the WTCs fell after an hour or half the heat?
The Windsor Building was of a similar truss design to the twin towers, the fire started 11 storeys from the top of the building, and it burned at temperatures of 800ºC for more than 18 hours. The core of the building did not fail.
The fire in WTC 1 is reported to have burned at 800ºC and was located roughly 17 storeys from the top of the building meaning the inner core supported only 6 additional floors of weight above the fire zone in comparison to the Windsor Building. WTC 1 collapsed after only 85 minutes, reportedly through core failure.

Can you explain this?

Here is the windsor building after 18 hours of burning... still intact correct?


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/spain_fire_core.jpg



Now.. notice the resemblance of the WTC below...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc1_core.jpg

Why did it fall after 1 hour... yet the almost exact same building burnt for 18 hours and NEVER fell?

THERMITE EXPLOSIONS.... thats how.

You want a experts explination?
(BTW- ... Frank A. DeMartini was the Manager of the WTC Construction and Project Management... not some conspiracy fruitloop)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/141104designedtotake.htm

JJ insane1

[rugbythug]

EXACTLY... I KNOW THEY ARE FROM THE 16TH! 4 DAYS AFTER THE BUILDINGS WHERE DEMOLISHED.
What logical reason would there STILL be that much thermal activity?
Hmmmm... because a couple of planes crashed into the building... 70 STORIES ABOVE THE BASMEMENT? NOT HARDLY MY FRIEND.
THERMITE EXPLOSIONS... THATS WHY.


Why no heat in Building 7? Why only in 1 and 2? Maybe because no plane crashed into them?

[rugbythug]

My friend.... why is it insane to use the people as proof? Tell me bro - can a human body withstand 800c temperatures? What about 1510c temps?
Ohhhh... no you say?
Well.. thats what we are TOLD the temperatures where on THE VERY FLOORS the people are standing.
NONE OF THE PEOPLE I SHOWED YOU JUMPED! THEY WHERE WAITING TO BE RESCUED WHEN THE BUILDINGS WHERE DEMOLISHED AND THEY DIED.

NONE OF THEM JUMPED DUE TO FIRE.... DO YOU SEE A PICTURE OF THEM JUMPING? NO... THEY ARE WAIVING FOR HELP!

NO FIRE... NO HEAT...

JJ Insane1

So It is your premise that planes flew into the side of the building loaded with highly Flammable fuel and started no fire? Yeah that makes sense.

I saw the people jumping. Why if there is no fire?

Just because it is hot in the center of the building does not mean on the outside it is going to be 800 degrees.

Also you used those same pics and asked where is the smoke. Please take a look at some of the pics of the whole building. There was smoke coming out the other side.

[rugbythug]

Again... LISTEN CLOSE -

Planes crashing into buildings = Terrorist attacks!
Buildings falling = American backing Bush in war on "terror".
Planes = terrorist = Americans scared = FEAR = taking always our rights due to "fear" = starting a war for oil.

This is SO cut and dry bro... its so simple.
Your problem is this.... you see what i see. You know that common since will tell you those buildings where actually destroyed from controlled demolition.
The difference between you and me is ... you can not conceive in your mind that YOUR government would do such a horrible act ... for MONEY and POWER!
YES... they would, they did... and they got away with it... (so far).
Billions and BILLIONS of dollars have been made from this bullshit war. Almost all our constitutional rights have been taken away due to "fear" and the patriot act.
Its sad bro... very sad.
Let me ask you something.... you think the government couldnt pull something like this off and not get away with it correct?
So.. you think 19 fucking towel heads with nothing more the box fucking cutters can pull it off and get away with it... but your very POWERFUL and secretive government couldnt?
Then if that is what you think... then you are saying those idiot Muslims are more intelligent then YOUR government.

Well.... in reality... all 19 probably where more intelligent then that IDIOT that YOU call your president.
JJ Insane1


No you listen close- Follow the sentence and read to the end. That is a half Ass Explanation for Buildings 1 and 2 now explain Building 7.

[rugbythug]

Tell me... how can this building (built no where near as good as the WTCs but used the same basic plans)
could withstand 18 freakin hours of fire and heat that was the same as the WTC fires and still be standing... yet the WTCs fell after an hour or half the heat?
The Windsor Building was of a similar truss design to the twin towers, the fire started 11 storeys from the top of the building, and it burned at temperatures of 800ºC for more than 18 hours. The core of the building did not fail.
The fire in WTC 1 is reported to have burned at 800ºC and was located roughly 17 storeys from the top of the building meaning the inner core supported only 6 additional floors of weight above the fire zone in comparison to the Windsor Building. WTC 1 collapsed after only 85 minutes, reportedly through core failure.

Can you explain this?

Here is the windsor building after 18 hours of burning... still intact correct?


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/spain_fire_core.jpg



Now.. notice the resemblance of the WTC below...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc1_core.jpg

Why did it fall after 1 hour... yet the almost exact same building burnt for 18 hours and NEVER fell?

THERMITE EXPLOSIONS.... thats how.

You want a experts explination?
(BTW- ... Frank A. DeMartini was the Manager of the WTC Construction and Project Management... not some conspiracy fruitloop)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/141104designedtotake.htm

JJ insane1

That is apples and oranges. Smash through the center and see how it holds up. Plus Take the carnage down about 20 floors. You don't cut a tree down by taking off the top branch.

[JJ Insane1]

That is apples and oranges. Smash through the center and see how it holds up. Plus Take the carnage down about 20 floors. You don't cut a tree down by taking off the top branch.

No... you dont cut a tree down by taking off the top branch...
But..
What happens if you cut the tree about one quater from the top (70+ stories on the WTC)?
The TOP of the tree falls... NOT THE ENTIRE TREE.
Yet... we are to believe that because the planes hit 70 stories up... the entire tree (building) fell?

Not happenen without help... Thermite help.

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

So It is your premise that planes flew into the side of the building loaded with highly Flammable fuel and started no fire? Yeah that makes sense.

I saw the people jumping. Why if there is no fire?

Just because it is hot in the center of the building does not mean on the outside it is going to be 800 degrees.

Also you used those same pics and asked where is the smoke. Please take a look at some of the pics of the whole building. There was smoke coming out the other side.


I didnt say there where NO fires to start with. Its a proven fact that ALL the jet fuel burnt up within 5 or so minutes because it burns at a very fast rate when mixed with oxygen.
On WTC #2.... Its PROVEN that MOST of the jet fuel blew out of the side of the building into a giant fireball. Leaving nothing but office equipment to burn. Office equipment can not produce fires hot enough to bend or melt steel... sorry, aint happinin. Also... the second plane DID NOT DIRECT HIT! Its clipped into the side of the building... as you can see if you watch the video with your own eyes... so there is no way it could have caused the middle supports to be damaged. It never hit the middle.... thats a fact.
Now... i also seen people jumping from the building. From ABOVE where the planes hit... because of smoke and fire.
What i am saying is this... if people could stand and waive for HELP in the very hole the planes caused... then there was no 800c temps to cause the steel to cause the trusses to melt or buckle as they claim.
That being said... there is no way there could have been enough heat that would somehow get between 70 floors of concrete and steel rubble in order to melt metal and steel in the basement.... its just not possible.
With Thermite... its totally possible.
JJ insane1