Questions for Bush Backers

[hughesy]

1. 9/11 was confirmed to be backed by Bin Laden. Then why was the "War on Terror" aimed at Iraq and nothing is really being done to stop him? Is it because Bush Sr. is friends and business partners with his family?

2. Oil companies in the U.S have just posted record earnings. Is it just coincedence that the Bush's and Cheney's all come from oil families and by helping the oil companies they if fact fattened their own pockets.

3. And what happened to all the WMD's that Sadamn susposedly had? Or was this just pay backs for trying to off his Daddy?

The President of the U.S is an elected official, put in that position to work for the people and carry out what needs to be done to protect and better thier lives.

Bush's whole agenda is to do whatever will benifit him. He has not fought the "War on Terror" he has carried out a grudge. Rushed in and had no plan on getting back out. Can you say "Vietnam in the desert".

When the Hurricane hit and gas prices soared did he open up the reserves to help the people? Of course not he saw $$$$$$!!!!! I remember Clinton doing that when OPEC cut back production.

So to say he is a great President is crap. The constitution states the Goverment is to be elected by the PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.... NOt for self interest!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JJ Insane1]

AMEN

BROTHER!

AMEN!

I cant wait to see the stupid excuses your going to get for the questions you just asked.... and i assure you, you will get some bullshit - bounce around the fact - lame ass excuse from Bushes sheep.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

You're late, man. Me and JJ have been through this crap already. It's good that JJ has a tag team partner now though. LLLLLLEEEET'S Get READY to RUUUUMMMMMMMBBBBLLLLE!!!

[JJ Insane1]

You're late, man. Me and JJ have been through this crap already. It's good that JJ has a tag team partner now though. LLLLLLEEEET'S Get READY to RUUUUMMMMMMMBBBBLLLLE!!!


Well.... at least you didnt try and come up with some lame ass excuse - you just dodged the question! :eek:


Hey maybe - hughesy is really you BBJ ... and my thoughts have driven you to the truth.... and now you are just enjoying arguing with your self?
Hmmmmmm:confused:

JJ insane1

[hughesy]

There is nothing to rumble about.... The facts speak for themselves.... There is nothing that disput the facts that were in my questions.....

And no I am not BBJ...

[JJ Insane1]

There is nothing to rumble about.... The facts speak for themselves.... There is nothing that disput the facts that were in my questions.....

And no I am not BBJ...


You being BBJ was a joke bro... i know your not him.

Also... i have thrown fact after fact at these people also... but its always "conspiracy" when i say it... no matter what.
If i say the sky is blue then it would be a conspiracy i came up with.
So... good luck with getting a straight answer to your questions.

I never could.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

No, JJ. If you said the sky was blue I'd agree because I can see it. Stuff that comes from your or someone else's imagination isn't something I can see. To this day you have never posted anything that can be considered as proof of anything. This whole thing is like trying to prove whether or not God exists. Either you believe it or you don't. In the case of your conspiracy theories, I don't believe it and never will. I don't care what the president's approval rating is. I don't care what anyone esle believes. All that matters to me is that when you consider all the evidence and the sources it came from (from both sides of the event) then the only logical conclusion to ME is to believe the way I do.

I use science and credible sources who give information in the context of the events as they happened to form my opinions. You can't pick and choose information from different sources and use it to form facts that suite your beliefs. The facts have to come from the event we're speaking of and be used in the context of that event. You can take pieces from a thousand different puzzles and make a picture. It doesn't mean they actually belong together.

[JJ Insane1]

No, JJ. If you said the sky was blue I'd agree because I can see it. Stuff that comes from your or someone else's imagination isn't something I can see. To this day you have never posted anything that can be considered as proof of anything. This whole thing is like trying to prove whether or not God exists. Either you believe it or you don't. In the case of your conspiracy theories, I don't believe it and never will. I don't care what the president's approval rating is. I don't care what anyone esle believes. All that matters to me is that when you consider all the evidence and the sources it came from (from both sides of the event) then the only logical conclusion to ME is to believe the way I do.

I use science and credible sources who give information in the context of the events as they happened to form my opinions. You can't pick and choose information from different sources and use it to form facts that suite your beliefs. The facts have to come from the event we're speaking of and be used in the context of that event. You can take pieces from a thousand different puzzles and make a picture. It doesn't mean they actually belong together.

Well, i respect that.
I can see your point. The fact is... you WANT your president to be right and do no wrong... so your prone to believe the good things you hear or read about him.... me on the other hand want to see him fail... so i read more of the bad things ect.
Ahhh.. fuck it, i think (hope) we both agree GOD exist... so who gives a shit about George... God can deal with him.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

Well, i respect that.
I can see your point. The fact is... you WANT your president to be right and do no wrong... so your prone to believe the good things you hear or read about him.... me on the other hand want to see him fail... so i read more of the bad things ect.
Ahhh.. fuck it, i think (hope) we both agree GOD exist... so who gives a shit about George... God can deal with him.

JJ Insane1

No doubt God exists and you're right, whether you're right or I'm right, God knows the truth. What if George really IS a good guy though and you both end up in Heaven together? Oh man, that'll be interesting.:D

[JJ Insane1]

No doubt God exists and you're right, whether you're right or I'm right, God knows the truth. What if George really IS a good guy though and you both end up in Heaven together? Oh man, that'll be interesting.:D

Well...

I am sure George wont be there... but just in case he does lie - cheat or pay his way in (like he does now) i will just have to deal with that when the time comes.... at least i know my intentions are better then his.
All i want is piece and for people to stop dying for nothing more the oil....


JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

1. 9/11 was confirmed to be backed by Bin Laden. Then why was the "War on Terror" aimed at Iraq and nothing is really being done to stop him? Is it because Bush Sr. is friends and business partners with his family?

Well, what exactly can we do with Bin Laden if we can't find him? He's no threat now anyway. As for why we went to Iraq, they were just a part of the problem that needed to be dealt with...no time like the present.

2. Oil companies in the U.S have just posted record earnings. Is it just coincedence that the Bush's and Cheney's all come from oil families and by helping the oil companies they if fact fattened their own pockets.

Like I've told JJ, somebody's gotta get that oil. Why not us? If there's no oil in America, there's no America.

3. And what happened to all the WMD's that Sadamn susposedly had? Or was this just pay backs for trying to off his Daddy?

They were transported elsewhere. If Saddam never had wmd's, then why wouldn't he let weapons inspectors in when he was supposed to. I mean, that was part of the agreement from the first war. If there's nothing to hide, then what was he hiding?

The President of the U.S is an elected official, put in that position to work for the people and carry out what needs to be done to protect and better thier lives.

Exactly and that's what he's done. In the long run, all this will create more stability for Americans and Iraqis.

Bush's whole agenda is to do whatever will benifit him. He has not fought the "War on Terror" he has carried out a grudge. Rushed in and had no plan on getting back out. Can you say "Vietnam in the desert".

Destroying an old government and building a new on takes time. Everyone talks about Vietnam. Well, what about Japan and Germany? Things worked out in our favor there.

When the Hurricane hit and gas prices soared did he open up the reserves to help the people? Of course not he saw $$$$$$!!!!! I remember Clinton doing that when OPEC cut back production.

Or maybe it just wasn't a catastrophy large enough to start using up our reserves. That's why they're called reserves. They are there for when we have a true shortage.

So to say he is a great President is crap. The constitution states the Goverment is to be elected by the PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.... NOt for self interest!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes "the people" have absolutely no clue what it is they need. It's kind of like saying "the people should be allowed to determine the best way to operate on a brain hemmorhage" It doesn't do much good if you have no idea what the hell you're doing.

[STORM SHADOW]

I just love it when these lefties and anti Bushies say "the facts speak for themselves" I don't even believe 1/2 of the "facts" from the right...but anything that comes out of the lefties ass seems to be a fact lol.


SS

[JJ Insane1]

I just love it when these lefties and anti Bushies say "the facts speak for themselves" I don't even believe 1/2 of the "facts" from the right...but anything that comes out of the lefties ass seems to be a fact lol.


SS


You just believe what you want to hear... thats all.
If you do not agree with it or do not want to hear it... then its not true.
Typical of Bushes sheep.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

You just believe what you want to hear... thats all.
If you do not agree with it or do not want to hear it... then its not true.
Typical of Bushes sheep.

JJ Insane1

Well, I don't know about SS, but for me when someone calls something a fact that isn't really a fact, it makes me automatically dismiss it as pure crap.

[JJ Insane1]

Well, what exactly can we do with Bin Laden if we can't find him? He's no threat now anyway. As for why we went to Iraq, they were just a part of the problem that needed to be dealt with...no time like the present.

Bro - i cant even believe you just typed that? What can we do if we cant find him? He is no threat anyway? WHAT?
Bro.. he is the person YOUR government says is responsible for one of the worst disasters in history! To say, he is no threat... we dont need him is BULLSHIT. If i went out and killed 3000 people do you think the government would just stop looking for me because... i am no longer a threat?
Mother fuck dude.... he should have been the number one target of all time until he was caught! Not Saddam. Saddam never did ONE SINGLE act if violence toward the US... yet we spent 1 trillion getting his stupid ass.
To say not to worry about him, he is no thread is totally ridiculous.
When you commit a crime and you have arrest warrants on you... does the government just "forget" about you if they cant find you? Hell no!


As for why we went to Iraq, they were just a part of the problem that needed to be dealt with...no time like the present.
Part of the problem? What problem? They didnt do shit to us. They had conflicts among each other in there own country... just like ALLOT of other countries. They had NO TIED to Al Quada and now we find out they where actually enemies with Al Quada.
They had NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! That is a FACT!
You say... dont type something unless its a fact? Well... show me some FACTS that say they moved all there weapons of mass destruction?
YOU CANT.... because they never had any!


Like I've told JJ, somebody's gotta get that oil. Why not us? If there's no oil in America, there's no America.

Ha ha ha... so, lets say Iran needs a shit load of Fords and Chevys... if they come over and take all ours because "they need them, why not take them" does that mean its right? Hell no! Iraq was robbed and it was done while using the smoke screen of "operation freedom" to do it... please.

Exactly and that's what he's done. In the long run, all this will create more stability for Americans and Iraqis.
What world do you live in my friend? Do you watch the news? Do you see all the Iraqis dying every day now? Do you see all the American solders dying? Do you see the way Iraq and the rest of the world hate the US now?
Stability? Ha ha ha... thats a joke right? Yeah... they are SO stable over there now! They are just rockin down the road of a wonderful world full of McDonalds and theme parks ... just like America! Ha ha... yeah right.
I failed to see any of that while watching all those people that just got blasted TODAY ... and every other day.... but its ok because it was all in the name of ... Uhhh freedom... yeah thats it! Freedom. When we eventually pull out of Iraq after loosing this pathetic excuse for a war... they will be sitting on there asses with no protection ...and if you think things are bad now... just wait till then. Thats sad.

Destroying an old government and building a new on takes time. Everyone talks about Vietnam.
Iraq is gonna make Vietnam look like a holiday vacation bro... it already is.
We cant win. We wont win. We are dying every day... for nothing. The troops want to come home... the citizens want the troops home.... the government is calling for a pull out... but the Al mighty BUSH wont have it.
Its a shame his war dodging ass doesnt have to actually fight... he would have never even invaded the place.


Or maybe it just wasn't a catastrophy large enough to start using up our reserves. That's why they're called reserves. They are there for when we have a true shortage.
This is something else i cant believe you typed... and a subject that i cant believe you actually try and defend.
Your telling me $3.50 to $6.00 a gallon nation wide average is not a reason to open the reserves... but when Clinton did it... it was? Jeeeezzz my man.
If you had George Bush on video... admitting he rigged the entire 9/11 and admitting he was best friends with Bin Laden... and admitting he made billions from invading Iraq... YOU WOULD STILL DEFEND him in some manner.
That is so sad. You defend him because you dont want to be wrong... so there is no point arguing over this idiot. The future will show you the truth. He is headed so down hill its not even funny. He can not come back from the shit he has done to him self. He is tied with Nixon as the worst prez ever... and its all going to get worse.
Just wait and see.... so when he is FUCKED like he will be soon... i am interested in listening to just exactly you blame for "setting him up"

JJ insane1

[BigBoyJ]

All you can do is wait and see, JJ. If Bush's plans aren't followed through, that's when America will be in DEEEEEEP shit. If his plans with Iraq are followed through, then you will see in the future that Bush will be known as a president that defied everyone to do what was right. He may be hated now, but if his plans are completed, he'll eventually be known as one of the greatest presidents ever. You're still thinking about TODAY. That's the problem with ya man, no ability to see long term. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little to secure your own future.

[JJ Insane1]

All you can do is wait and see, JJ. If Bush's plans aren't followed through, that's when America will be in DEEEEEEP shit. If his plans with Iraq are followed through, then you will see in the future that Bush will be known as a president that defied everyone to do what was right. He may be hated now, but if his plans are completed, he'll eventually be known as one of the greatest presidents ever. You're still thinking about TODAY. That's the problem with ya man, no ability to see long term. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little to secure your own future.

Then i pry i still know you in 30 years so i can say "i told ya so".
Cause there is no hope that idiot is going to be anywhere near one of the greatest prezs ever.
Once we HAVE to pull out of Iraq and we leave them on there asses.... we will have lost a very costly war... and Iraq will be 100xs worse then with Saddam in power.

Just ... wait .... and .... see.

JJ Insane1

[STORM SHADOW]

Well, I don't know about SS, but for me when someone calls something a fact that isn't really a fact, it makes me automatically dismiss it as pure crap.


I dismiss it as crap too, and you're right, JJ doesn't think long term or the big picture...just here and now and the little picture.

SS

[rugbythug]

1. 9/11 was confirmed to be backed by Bin Laden. Then why was the "War on Terror" aimed at Iraq and nothing is really being done to stop him? Is it because Bush Sr. is friends and business partners with his family?

Unfortunately Bin Laden does not own the patent on Terror. And if you think we can sit here and never be touched by Islamists again than more power to you.

2. Oil companies in the U.S have just posted record earnings. Is it just coincedence that the Bush's and Cheney's all come from oil families and by helping the oil companies they if fact fattened their own pockets.

Record earnings have nothing to do with Iraq, and everything to do with the hurricanes.

3. And what happened to all the WMD's that Sadamn susposedly had? Or was this just pay backs for trying to off his Daddy?

Now there is a conspiracy for you. What did happen to them-We know he had them. He used them on more than one occasion. I think JJ's got them.

The President of the U.S is an elected official, put in that position to work for the people and carry out what needs to be done to protect and better thier lives.

Bush's whole agenda is to do whatever will benifit him. He has not fought the "War on Terror" he has carried out a grudge. Rushed in and had no plan on getting back out. Can you say "Vietnam in the desert".

I still don't see how bush is getting benifits from this. His legacy as a president will be sullied in the short term however I am sure history will be more kind. It is not like Bush couldn't have gotten to Iraqi Oil easier with Saddam there He would sell his soul for a bag of Dorritos. Now the whole world is watching.

When the Hurricane hit and gas prices soared did he open up the reserves to help the people? Of course not he saw $$$$$$!!!!! I remember Clinton doing that when OPEC cut back production.

Just a point of Interest The hurricane price increase was because of a lack of finished product Gasoline and less because of a lack of oil.

So to say he is a great President is crap. The constitution states the Goverment is to be elected by the PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.... NOt for self interest!!!!!!!!!!!!

The People are so Fickle. A true leader must stand on principle and do what he knows to be right. If you follow the people all the time you are just a dog chasing his tail.

look above
Rugbythug

[STORM SHADOW]

and below


SS

[mus315]

What would make his wallet fat is to make Iraq dissapear. Do you know how much oil is in Texas alone. If we started getting oil from the United states only the price per barrel would go sky high.

[terryd5150]

....I can't wait to see the stupid excuses you're going to get for the questions you just asked....


I am traditionally a Republican and I can tell you that I don't feel that GW has really proven to be an effective leader.


I seriously doubt, though, that many people on here that are bashing George are doing so because of the mistakes he's made as the manager of the largest capitalist economy and not because of their own party ties/preferrences.

[littlemack]

What makes this all difficult for me is to know what information you can trust. The media puts so much spin in different directions(left and right). I hear a lot of negative, but then I talk to people in the military who tell me that there are some positive things going on in Iraq with rebuilding of schools, hospitals, etc...
So who should you believe when gauging the progress of the war? How long, would it typically take a country of our size with our resources, to end a war like this while taking on new enemies at the same time. Its a daunting task.
Was starting a war with Iraq the right thing to do is probably the real question. I don't think most Americans realized what we were getting ourselves into and that's why most of us are bitching now. This will be a 50-100 year war and maybe longer. Its the entire middle east here we're dealing with who have been fighting amongst themselves since biblical days.

Haven't followed this board as I transplanted over here from ProMuscle. Sorry if this all has been discussed. Just trying to contribute to the board and keep it alive.
Peace Out...