My my my... things are looking just so peachy now!

[JJ Insane1]

Wow!

I just read today how things are looking so on the "up and up" now in the new "FREE" Iraq!
Great job America! They are free alright.... Free to DIE on a daily basis.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/23/iraq.main/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Gunmen dressed as Iraqi troops stormed the home of a senior Sunni leader Wednesday, killing him, his three sons and a son-in-law, Iraqi police said.


Damn i would love to live there now! Paradise and shangra la!

JJ insane1

[JJ Insane1]

Now you can offically learn something i have been preaching for 2 years now!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10164478/


"Ten days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, President Bush was advised that U.S. intelligence found no credible connection linking the attacks to the regime of Saddam Hussein, or evidence suggesting linkage between Saddam and the al-Qaida terrorist network, according to a published report"


"Saddam is said to have viewed al-Qaida as a threat"


No WMD... NO TIES TO AL QAIDA .... Hmmmmmm could it have been for ....

OIL???? Yes.... yes it could.

JJ Insane1

[JJ Insane1]

I honestly think he was doing it for his Dad, George Sr.


Bro - i agree... Daddy + Oil = Power = Money.

How can anyone watch TV and see whats going on over there and actually think they are better off now? What a joke.

If we "could" leave Iraq it would go straight into civil war and that would be 100xs worse then now or with Saddam.
Bush wont pull out because he CAN NOT AFFORD to pull the troops out.
If we leave... the hatred we have built will take over the country and George will never get his goal... the oil.
Oh... he could care less about what happens to the people... but to loose his OIL is to loose his war.

JJ insane1

[BigBoyJ]

You know, JJ. I saw something on tv last night that I wish you could've seen. It was a video made from a soldier from here in San Antonio that is stationed in Iraq. She showed on her video how MOST of the Iraqi's really are happy and thankful that we're there. She showed all the good we're doing there and what the attitudes of the soldiers and Iraqi citizens are really like. Basically her point was to show how things REALLY are instead of showing all the bullshit you see in the news. You of all people should know, JJ, that the US media loves to create controversy over anything else. Controversy is what makes people watch the news. You don't believe everything you see in the media when it comes to steroids, do you? Why do you believe what they say about anything else? When it comes to the war, I'll take the word of the people who are living it over the stupid ass media any day. And what about all the soldiers who choose to reenlist when their time is up? I don't think they'd do that if they thought what we're doing is wrong.

[JJ Insane1]

It was a video made from a soldier from here in San Antonio that is stationed in Iraq. She showed on her video how MOST of the Iraqi's really are happy and thankful that we're there.


Hey... guess what? I bet these Iraqis are not part of that San Antonios solders wonderful group of greatfuls hu?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051125/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

30 Killed in Bombing Outside Iraq Hospital

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber blew up his car outside a hospital south of Baghdad on Thursday while U.S. troops handed out candy and food to children, killing 30 people and wounding about 40, including four Americans. As U.S. troops spent another Thanksgiving at war,


Bro... you can watch all the bullshit videos you want from "greatful" solders claiming there are "greatful" Iraqis..... But the facts are the cold hard truth.

This is the facts : "Iraqi civilians, politician among those killed"
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/24/iraq.main/index.html

And.. you cant argue with that.

JJ insane1

[BigBoyJ]

The people who committed the bombings are the exact people that make Iraqi citizens happy that we are there. They know that if it wasn't for US occupation that the insurgents would take over the country. Iraqi citizens don't want that. Why would they?

The governor of Mississippi was on the news today. He's one of the four governors in Iraq. He said not one soldier asked when they'd get to go home. He said the only question was "Will the American people allow us to stay long enough to finish the job?" That's the real attitude of the soldiers, JJ. They aren't the whining pansies, so desperate to come home, that you're making them out to be.

[JJ Insane1]

The people who committed the bombings are the exact people that make Iraqi citizens happy that we are there. They know that if it wasn't for US occupation that the insurgents would take over the country. Iraqi citizens don't want that. Why would they?

The governor of Mississippi was on the news today. He's one of the four governors in Iraq. He said not one soldier asked when they'd get to go home. He said the only question was "Will the American people allow us to stay long enough to finish the job?" That's the real attitude of the soldiers, JJ. They aren't the whining pansies, so desperate to come home, that you're making them out to be.


There where no "insurgents" before the war... its a name made up for the people who have lost everything to the US invasion.... men who lost there families ect...... sure the insurgents would take over the country - i don’t blame them...... its was there’s to start with.

BTW.... governor of Mississippi would say that ... "Will the American people allow us to stay long enough to finish the job" ... because he is the fucking governor of IRAQ for God sakes.... do you think owner of Mcdonalds would go on tv to tell you to believe in he all mighty Burger King? NO...... Jeezzz
JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

There where no "insurgents" before the war... its a name made up for the people who have lost everything to the US invasion.... men who lost there families ect...... sure the insurgents would take over the country - i don’t blame them...... its was there’s to start with.

BTW.... governor of Mississippi would say that ... "Will the American people allow us to stay long enough to finish the job" ... because he is the fucking governor of IRAQ for God sakes.... do you think owner of Mcdonalds would go on tv to tell you to believe in he all mighty Burger King? NO...... Jeezzz
JJ Insane1

There ARE insurgents, man. One of the insurgent groups is Al Quaeda. Why is it that you're still using news sources to support your arguments, but you choose to pick out the stuff you don't like. I mean, if you watch the news then you know that Al Quaeda is one of the groups. All or none, JJ. If you're gonna use news coverage to fuel your arguments, you have to take it all. If you don't like what's in the news, then stop using it. Of course some of the insurgents are angry Muslim men that are upset about losing control of their slaves/women, but they aren't the only ones presenting a problem. Even if they were the only problem, it's time they changed their way of living. Killing and torchering women isn't acceptable. And yes, I do think it's America's job to change that.

[JJ Insane1]

There ARE insurgents, man. One of the insurgent groups is Al Quaeda. Why is it that you're still using news sources to support your arguments, but you choose to pick out the stuff you don't like. I mean, if you watch the news then you know that Al Quaeda is one of the groups. All or none, JJ. If you're gonna use news coverage to fuel your arguments, you have to take it all. If you don't like what's in the news, then stop using it. Of course some of the insurgents are angry Muslim men that are upset about losing control of their slaves/women, but they aren't the only ones presenting a problem. Even if they were the only problem, it's time they changed their way of living. Killing and torchering women isn't acceptable. And yes, I do think it's America's job to change that.


You never heard the word or term insurgent before we invaded Iraq. We heard terrorist... and Al Quada but not insurgent.
First - there are no fucking Al Quada in Iraq. The Al Quada that are left are in the country they ALWAYS existed in... Afghanistan. Its even a known fact that Al Quada and Saddam where ENEMIES!

Second... Your right about one thing... Insurgents ARE angry Muslims... Angry because some bully ass foreign super power just rolled in and leveled everything in life they have lived to know.
Houses... hospitals.... churches.... schools... businesses... families... women... children... ect... and whats our excuse? Freedom! Bwahahaha.. what a joke.
They are no more free now then before this war.... they cant walk there own streets without fear of dying... they cant leave the cities they live in without being shot at by Americans - there women are no more free then before this war... its the same fucking place... except 10xs worse then before we went.
All we wanted is oil... not to free them. Now that the US invaded them... the US cant leave because the entire country will go straight to hell in civil war... but the main reason is we wont be able to control there oil with the country in civil war.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

Well, if everyone is so damn eager for us to leave why would there be a civil war? If no one from Iraq wants us there and everyone is against us, why would they fight each other? It seems to me that you just acknowledged that the US is needed there until stability is achieved.

[rugbythug]

al zarquawi or however it is spelled is in Iraq number 2 in Al queda.

Just because it is on the news now does not mean people weren't dieing before we went in.

Estimates were Saddam Killed about 1 million of his country men.

Compare that two your news bites. That is 10,000 a day for 1000 days.

So yes they are better off.

[swervedriver]

I have to agree with JJ on his point that the reason we are over there is OIL! Oil=Money=Power! Plain and simple... What country consumes the greatest amount of oil a year? The United States!! The US were the ones who put Saddam in power in the first place... We knew what we were putting in power in Iraq... We knew their beliefs, laws etc... What they did to their women or other social issues did not concern us in the least!! The reason we did it was in hopes that we could CONTROL Saddam and in turn CONTROL the oil... It pissed us (daddy Bush) when Saddam basically told him and the US to kiss his ass! He was in control and they (the Iraqi people) no longer wanted the Imperialistic US to control them like puppets any longer... Daddy Bush instead of having a set of balls like his son or Reagan did a half assed job with desert storm and caused the whole region to view us as a bunch of pansies... So to save face GW used a US catastrophe (911) to justify going over there and kicking Saddam's ass... All of this to once again gain control of Iraq and its oil... And to show the world that we plan on staying in the region to keep an eye on OUR oil... We did the same thing when we put Saddam in power... We staged a coup of then sitting president Abdul Rahman Arif and his leftest (Communist) government and put Saddam in the driver's seat... He became ungrateful so we had to put him in his place... This is no different... Just used a different set of motives to get the media driven US people to go along with our efforts in Iraq... We are NOT leaving OUR oil... Trust me... We will be there forever... Just my thoughts...

[BigBoyJ]

Again though, even if it was about oil, if anyone's gonna have it, I'd rather it be us. We have the highest oil consumption right now, but China and India will soon blow us away in that department. America has to have oil to function. If we don't have it, we don't exist.

[rugbythug]

Trust me... We will be there forever... Just my thoughts...


Just as a point of interest we are still in Germany. If we can stabalize the country and allow power to be given to the people this is when we will be able to safely get out. However all this Bullshit by the antiwar crowd makes stabalizing the country that much harder.

[JJ Insane1]

Just as a point of interest we are still in Germany. If we can stabalize the country and allow power to be given to the people this is when we will be able to safely get out. However all this Bullshit by the antiwar crowd makes stabalizing the country that much harder.

You cant make people live the way "you" (our government) wants them to.
The people in Iraq do NOT WANT American democracy. That is so obvious.
They have lived as Muslims and lived there life style since the beginning of time... no one will change that.
You cant stop people who kill there selves to kill you. Period! There will never be a "victory" in Iraq.... oh wait, wasnt that already "claimed" 3 years ago when we toppled that statue and president fuck up flew onto the aircraft carrier and gave the big staged media hyped photo shoot where he claimed "VICTORY' over Iraq?
Hmmmm... seems things just aint going like Ol George planned... Bwahahah... fucking looser.

JJ Insane1

[BigBoyJ]

The great thing about the American way of life is it's so darn contagious. All the excess, the degeneration, opportunity, freedom to think for yourself. If anything can deprogram the Islam mentality, it's America's self serving ways.

[swervedriver]

Sorry BBJ but their way of life is engrained in them... A couple of years of occupation by who they deem infidels will not change the way they think or anything else... Do you truly feel we went over there to weed out insurgents and "terrorists?" Terrorists are all over the world... That was just an excuse to take back power in the region... Yes some are glad we are over there because Saddam was a ruthless ruler.. No doubt about it... But did anyone ever assassinate him? NO because even though he was ruthless he commanded respect! This respect is something that we with our passive ways will never get from these people... They only understand brute force... When the coup took place in around 1968 or so, and Saddam came into power, the US just like now feared a communist threat in the Middle East from the Soviet Union. They had been slowly putting their political pawns in place in Iraq in hopes of securing oil for the future... This is what China and North Korea were doing with Saddam... Saddam is no fool... He was getting rich from these communist countries... He no longer needed the US and we knew it... This was something that started at the end of Reagan's term as president... Saddam felt like a pact with N. Korea and China would solidify Iraq's power in the world because he knew that he would soon have nukes and Israel would have to yield to his power.... The Middle East knows that when it comes down to it we will ALWAYS side with Israel!! Therefore, they do not trust us and never will...

[rugbythug]

Why is voter turn out so damn high then? If the people don't want freedom? People always want freedom, however here a minority of people want all of the power and fight the only possible way they can to win it. And if we the people already have freedom don't have the nuts well then they win.

[BigBoyJ]

Of course we can't change Iraq in a couple of years. It'll take time, but we will change them. In 20 years or so, obesity will be their problem (from all the fast food places we put there) instead of suicide bombings.

[STORM SHADOW]

What my Bro said. The rest of you are wacked.

SS

[rugbythug]

You cant make people live the way "you" (our government) wants them to.
The people in Iraq do NOT WANT American democracy. That is so obvious.
They have lived as Muslims and lived there life style since the beginning of time... no one will change that.
You cant stop people who kill there selves to kill you. Period! There will never be a "victory" in Iraq.... oh wait, wasnt that already "claimed" 3 years ago when we toppled that statue and president fuck up flew onto the aircraft carrier and gave the big staged media hyped photo shoot where he claimed "VICTORY' over Iraq?
Hmmmm... seems things just aint going like Ol George planned... Bwahahah... fucking looser.

JJ Insane1

That is like saying they will not like chocolate. How they heck do you know they have never had it. You assume because people have been dominated by someone else there whole life and for generations that that is what they want. I think they should be given a chance to choose without a gun to there head.

[STORM SHADOW]

Of course we can't change Iraq in a couple of years. It'll take time, but we will change them. In 20 years or so, obesity will be their problem (from all the fast food places we put there) instead of suicide bombings.

That's rich man! good one... and it's true ya know. The product of Western Civilization is obesity, prescription drug use going sky high, depression, and the worst of all... for us at least...... birth rate dropping so low it can't replace the mortality rate and abortion going sky high. In time they'll scream the same scream we scream about...no it's not ice cream... it's immigration of a people they really don't want there and their Gov't saying "we must integrate". And like all Countries that become democritized...as the people gain incredible freedoms...like us...they'll be willing to throw them away for safety.

"Those that give up their liberty for safety deserve neither"
Ben Franklin 'Founding Father'

SS

Now JJ and JAG are going to jump my ass now that I said this. I can hear it now! "you said it brother! now why are you so willing to give them away!?"