Yet another stupid question

[Big A]

Using 2001 technology, a GSM digital mobile phone takes approximately 45 seconds to lock onto a transmitter and identify itself and connect when it's roaming.
Using simple maths, a plane takes about 30 seconds to travel the distance that a transmitter has range over.

So how could the pasengers on the flight that crashed in Pen. on 9/11 call loved ones on their mobile phones, when the plane would be travelling too quick for the phones to lock onto a transmitter, never mind being able to maintain a conversation?

[JJ Insane1]

Using 2001 technology, a GSM digital mobile phone takes approximately 45 seconds to lock onto a transmitter and identify itself and connect when it's roaming.
Using simple maths, a plane takes about 30 seconds to travel the distance that a transmitter has range over.

So how could the pasengers on the flight that crashed in Pen. on 9/11 call loved ones on their mobile phones, when the plane would be travelling too quick for the phones to lock onto a transmitter, never mind being able to maintain a conversation?


THEY COULDNT! There is no way. I have explained this over at PM when i ranted there. No way did those cells call anyone. There are NO recorded conversations to prove it either. None.
Its a fact that cellular phones will not pick up while in flight... yet no one seems to want to make this an issue? Why?
If it is in fact true that no cellular phones will actually pick up while in flight then is it not true that the government is lying about this?
JJ Insane1

[rugbythug]

While I have no experiance in this field how far does a cell tower reach? Keeping in mind that you are looking up not down. With a clear line of site they go a long ways. My dad once called me from Bomber Mtn in Wyoming which is in the Middle of BFE on his really old Star Tac.

Plus didn't they also use the phones on the plane?

[JJ Insane1]

While I have no experiance in this field how far does a cell tower reach? Keeping in mind that you are looking up not down. With a clear line of site they go a long ways. My dad once called me from Bomber Mtn in Wyoming which is in the Middle of BFE on his really old Star Tac.

Plus didn't they also use the phones on the plane?

Its not the fact of how high the cell phones reach (10,000 ft is the correct answer to that btw) ... all the planes where over 10k ft... but the thing that matters is the speed of the planes. They travel at a speed of 400+ miles an hour... meaning that cell phones will not pick up because of the fact that they move from tower to tower to fast. The phone cant pick a tower up long enough to make a call before it reaches another tower and switches.
Thats a fact. So... there is no way those people called from there cell phones. At the time of the first call the plane was WELL over 10,000ft and there is no doubt it was flying well over 400mph.
Last month the cell phone industry just released a article about how they are just now coming up with the technology to enable cell phones to work while in flight.
So... how did they do it in 2001 if they are just now figuring out how to do it now? I have flown over 40 times across the US ect.... and not ONCE did my phone ever pick up while in flight. I tried after 9/11 just to see... and it wouldnt even get a signal.

Plus didn't they also use the phones on the plane?
NO! All of them claim to have been called from cell phones because they where "hiding" out to make the calls.

Beside... the Feds wont let anyone hear the actually tapes.... why? Does that risk national security also? Hell no...


JJ Insane1

[rugbythug]

Well I choose to believe the Family Members of People who died that they recieved phone calls. After The planes were Hijacked all the data on speed and altitude go out the window.

Btw- My dad was at 14,000 feet when he called me from Bomber Mtn.

[rugbythug]

And they were not hiding. The hijackers instructed them to make phone calls.

[JJ Insane1]

Well I choose to believe the Family Members of People who died that they recieved phone calls. After The planes were Hijacked all the data on speed and altitude go out the window.

Btw- My dad was at 14,000 feet when he called me from Bomber Mtn.


Your dad was not traveling 400mph on top the mountian either was he? Ok.. if you will read what i wrote... speed is MAJOR reason the phones do not pick up. Tell your dad to hop a flight anywhere in the US and wait till the plane is levels out... and just try and make a call then... it WONT happen. Period.
JJ

[JJ Insane1]

And they were not hiding. The hijackers instructed them to make phone calls.


Well... you need to tell your boys who made the "Official 9/11 commission report" that.... and you need to tell the people who made the documentary on discovery channel that also because according to them... they had to hide to make the calls.
Dude.. why in the hell would a terrorist make a passenger call his relatives to tell them they where high jacked ... ha ha ha... yeah right. That would just defeat there purpose... knowing phone calls would alert authorities and they could risk being shot down.... If they wanted "people" to know the damn plane was high jacked then why in the hell didnt they just pick up the pilots freakin radio and tell them there selves? Jesus you believe everything the government tells you... that’s so sad.

JJ Insane1

[rugbythug]

Well I am not going to take the time to look it up but I do remember them saying that shortly after the fact. However like much that gets reported maybe it was wrong. YOu know like how the Gov't started the lies about murders in the super dome during katrina. That is neither here nor there. As I remember it they wanted them to tell there families who they(the terrorists) were. If you think we can scramble an F16 to stop a plane in the air in PA enroute to Washington I do believe you over estimate our defensive capabilites.

[JJ Insane1]

If you think we can scramble an F16 to stop a plane in the air in PA enroute to Washington I do believe you over estimate our defensive capabilites.

Are you kidding me? You honestly think that they can not scramble a F16 with that much time to protect the WORLDS MOST PROTECTED area?
The WHITE HOUSE... THE PENTAGON... bro, these are not your average suburb malls here... they are the most secure and highly protected buildings and CITY in the world.

Here are some FACTSSSSSS for you ...

8:45 a.m. - United Airlines Flight 175 is taken over by five hijackers who use knives, Mace and the threat of a bomb. Both pilots are killed and the plane is diverted southward to New York City.

8:53 a.m. - Unaware that their intended target has already crashed into the World Trade Center, the F-15s from Otis Air Force Base are sent to military-controlled airspace off Long Island and ordered to remain in a holding pattern until between 9:09 and 9:13 a.m. [National Geographic]

Eight minutes before the crash, at 9:30 a.m. EDT, radar tracked the plane as it closed to within 30 miles of Washington. [CBS News]

This map shows Andrews AFB is roughly 11 miles from the Pentagon:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/andrewsmap.gif

FACT:Instead, F-16s were scrambled from Langley AFB which is 120 miles south of the Pentagon at 9:30 a.m.

So, it was known that Flight 77 was hijacked and heading toward Washington at 9:30 a.m., but instead of the above jets being sent to defend the heart of the US government and military the fighters were initially despatched to New York
Pentagon crash FACTS:

The plane's descent over Washington was tracked on radar...

Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. [CBS News]

...and at 09:38 the Pentagon was hit:
Question: How was a plane which was known to be hostile able to have an unimpeded 48 minute joyride around US airspace before slamming into the heart of the US military?

Answer: Stand down.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30682

Damn bro... after all this... your going to tell me they couldnt track down a fucking jet liner over a field and shoot it down after they have known about it being highjacked for over an hour? The first tower was hit at 8:46 ... the second plane hit at 9:02 ... the pentagon plane hit at 9:37 and the PA plane was SHOT DOWN at 10:06.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911_map_small.jpg
If our government cant scramble a JET to do that easy task... they are not the fucking super power they make them selves out to be hu?

JJ Insane1

[STORM SHADOW]

I cannot confim this of course....but... while I was with the SF during that period... we heard through the grapevine (that very week it all happened) that the PA plane was shot down by the military and the story was covered up because the public was not ready to hear that our own Gov't had to shoot our own Civilian passangers out of the air. The Gov't was NOT on a war footing at that time. Only NOW would the public accept it, but not then.

What evidence is there? One of the engines were found miles before the impact area.

SS

[JJ Insane1]

Well.. if you believe the word of your almighty defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld .... you dont need evidence - not when he slips and admits it.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane 'shot down' in Pennsylvania
During surprise Christmas Eve trip, defense secretary contradicts official story


Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."

Now.. how could someone of that much statute... of that much importance make a mistake like that unless.... he was used to talking about it to the people who helped accomplish it?

Hmmmmm???

JJ Insane1