Hmmm what does Iraq think of Saddam? Ha ha [Archive]

JJ Insane1

12-06-2005, 11:52 PM

Yeah.. that big bad tyrant that Bush said "EVERYONE" in Iraq was so scared of doesnt seem to be so feared after all.... Hmmmm... this BAGHDAD news article proves it.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051205/D8EACRI00.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Watching the Saddam Hussein trial at home on television, Jinan Mushrif said she got chills of pride Monday when she saw the ousted leader and a co-defendant chant, "Long live Iraq, long live the Arab state."

"These are the real men of Iraq, not those who hide behind their bodyguards," the 49-year-old Baghdad housewife said with a laugh.

QUOTE: "Maybe Saddam did oppress those who opposed him," Omar said. "But for every Iraqi, deep inside, he looks like the strongman we need."

I bet BBJ or Rugbythug answers to this thread but not the one that PROVES Bush is a straight up liar... Ha ha ha.

JJ insane1

rugbythug

12-07-2005, 01:04 AM

You confuse me. What does this prove? I can find one person to say anything I want. There are a million people buried in shallow graves that would probably disagree.

JJ Insane1

12-07-2005, 04:31 AM

You confuse me. What does this prove? I can find one person to say anything I want. There are a million people buried in shallow graves that would probably disagree.

Yeah... all those shallow graves are called.... BOMB HOLES from US war planes... there called RUBBLE from the houses that fell on them during Tank blasts.

What the fuck is your deal with "proving" everything? Shit man, i am just relaying the news... i dont make the news, i just post it. I cant help it doesnt go your way.... ever.

JJ Insane1

STORM SHADOW

12-08-2005, 01:47 AM

She's a stupid bitch. Saddam had been hiding behind bodyguards from assassins all his career just like the new leadership...just like our President, just like the Prime of England...just like the leader of any country.

Saddam didn't give a shit about Iraq. Opposing the USA got thousands upon thousand of his people killed. If he cared..he should have just stop shooting at our planes and let the inspectors in as long as they wanted to be there and go anywhere they wanted.

SS

Big A

12-08-2005, 03:35 AM

If he cared..he should have just stop shooting at our planes and let the inspectors in as long as they wanted to be there and go anywhere they wanted.

SS

Didn't the lead weapon's inspector to Iraq through the '90s wrote a book (his name escapes me right now) where he said how the Iraqi's never oposed the inspections, all the so called 'opposition' was US fabricated to further US propaganda? When he tried to blow the lid on this, he was reprimanded, that's why he 'retired' and then wrote the book?

I know the book was banned in most countries thereafter. I was lucky to buy a copy before it was pulled off the shelves here.

JJ Insane1

12-08-2005, 04:14 AM

Didn't the lead weapon's inspector to Iraq through the '90s wrote a book (his name escapes me right now) where he said how the Iraqi's never oposed the inspections, all the so called 'opposition' was US fabricated to further US propaganda? When he tried to blow the lid on this, he was reprimanded, that's why he 'retired' and then wrote the book?

I know the book was banned in most countries thereafter. I was lucky to buy a copy before it was pulled off the shelves here.

Exactly! Saddam NEVER opposed weapons inspectors.... they rumbled all through his shit until he got tired of it.

SS... if some smart ass Mr Big shot cop pulls you for no reason and demands you to consent to a search... but, you have nothing to hide... your completely legal.... are you going to consent or tell him to fuck off and get a warrant?
I know i wouldnt... hell i have sit for 2 hours waiting on a warrant to search my car... just because i had NOTHING to hide but i didnt want some bully ass bitch cop invading my privacy! Same with Saddam vs the BULLY ass Bush admin.
Saddam did the same think!
Now... a little fact for ya just so you dont go trying to throw this up... HE NEVER FUCKING HAD WMD! George got his WAR... George claimed the war was over hidding WMD....
FACT MY FRIEND: HE NEVER HAD THEM AND THEY NEVER FOUND THEM.
FACT: George was FULL OF SHIT.
FACT: George LIED to get his war using the "FAKE" uranium sale from Africa to Iraq.

So.... Big A is exactly right... i remember that book (read news articles on it but never actually read it)- But let me tell you something bro... because YOU mentioned it, no one will discredit it as a "conspiracy" book... or some fruitloop wrote it.... but OHHHH let me mention it and they would break it down as some bullshit conspiracy idiot made it up.

JJ Insane1

Big A

12-08-2005, 12:25 PM

or some fruitloop wrote it....

Well, he can't be a fruitloop as the UN and US trusted him to lead the inspections in Iraq for a number of years. So nobody can actually argue that the guy was full of shit, a conspiracy theorist, etc, as the info in the book is as first hand as it can be - written by the person in charge of all the weapon's inspectors in Iraq for a number of years in the 90's.

Big A

12-08-2005, 12:34 PM

Here you go:

Iraq Confidential : The Untold Story of the Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the UN and Overthrow Saddam Hussein by Scott Riter

And check this one too:
Disarming Iraq by Hans Blix

This second one was written by the chief weapons inspector posted in Iraq between 2000 and 2003 and he also says that there was no evidence of WMD and the war was staged!

I think that it's pretty hard to argue with both of these books, written by without argue the two people that knew the situation better than anyone else on this planet.

STORM SHADOW

12-08-2005, 03:49 PM

How do you know the lead inspector was ethical? If you think it's easy to believe President Bush is unethical...why can't the lead inspector? Fact is... Saddam did stop inspections and the inspectors noted that as they were approaching some of Saddam's facilities, trucks were high tailing it out of there. I would assume that Saddam's people were gathering damning evidence and making a run for it. This I do believe.

SS

STORM SHADOW

12-08-2005, 03:50 PM

What it seems to me is all of you believe that anybody that opposses President Bush must be ethical and the President is Satan.

This is how I'm going to define you.

SS

JJ Insane1

12-08-2005, 08:27 PM

, trucks were high tailing it out of there.

SS

Yeah... the same old "moved them to another country" before we could get there..

BULLSHIT! With the fucking satellites we have, and the technology we have, there is no way they could have "snuck" a shit load of WMD out of that country. NO WAY.

The "moved them" excuse it played out and there is NO EVIDENCE of it.

Big A

12-09-2005, 02:09 AM

How do you know the lead inspector was ethical? If you think it's easy to believe President Bush is unethical...why can't the lead inspector?

That is very true. But it begs the question, what benefit would the inspectors have to lie? It is obvious Bush's financial benefit so his lies can be 'justified'. I cannot see any justification for the weapon's inspectors to lie.

STORM SHADOW

12-09-2005, 02:46 PM

Yeah... the same old "moved them to another country" before we could get there..

BULLSHIT! With the fucking satellites we have, and the technology we have, there is no way they could have "snuck" a shit load of WMD out of that country. NO WAY.

The "moved them" excuse it played out and there is NO EVIDENCE of it.

Actually our Gov't already said we have Sat. photos of their trucks headed out of the country into Libia. Yes... Saddam moved his weapons out of country.... this I believe also. The inspectors also never had unrestricted surprise inspections either...all facilities were contacted by the Iraqi Gov't when the inspectors picked a site to see. Yeah...that's the ticket!

SS

STORM SHADOW

12-09-2005, 02:48 PM

That is very true. But it begs the question, what benefit would the inspectors have to lie? It is obvious Bush's financial benefit so his lies can be 'justified'. I cannot see any justification for the weapon's inspectors to lie.

Oh I can... I watched that inspector talk during an interview... he had an ego bigger than a bodybuilder... he had no loyalty to the allies.. and it seemed to me he was nothing but a pissed off employee.... his credentials do not make him ethical...sorry... I won't buy this one either.

SS

JJ Insane1

12-09-2005, 05:00 PM

Actually our Gov't already said we have Sat. photos of their trucks headed out of the country into Libia. Yes... Saddam moved his weapons out of country.... this I believe also. The inspectors also never had unrestricted surprise inspections either...all facilities were contacted by the Iraqi Gov't when the inspectors picked a site to see. Yeah...that's the ticket!

SS

BULLSHIT... there are TRUCKS going to Libia every day my friend. There are trucks going to every other country.

"our Gov't already said we have Sat. photos"
Your govenment is a fucking bunch of lying business men who do not give a fuck about your or me.
So...where is the proof of those trucks carrying WMD? Where? I failed to see any photos? Just because they say "trucks are going here or there" doesnt prove shit of what was in them.
Why not release some photos of these trucks with WMD on them? Ohh... i get it, (the same lame excuse) ... they cant release them due to "risking national security" ... Bwa ha ha ha... yeah Ok
Thats just another failed attempt by our lying ass government to cover there asses.
When you show me some proof that WMD where on ANY truck going out of Iraq... then you can use that excuse... but as of right now... i can show you proof ... that NO - NONE - ZILCH - NADA where ever found in IRAQ!

rugbythug

12-10-2005, 12:41 AM

JJ Insane1

12-10-2005, 05:29 AM

JJ why would people keep debating you. You dismiss any thing they say as bullshit and then use pretend news of your own as proof.

BTW here is Hans Blix the UN inspectors report.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/sprj.irq.transcript.blix/

It does not say what you hope it says but have read anyway. It is long.

There are 2 sides to each debate. If there was someone else here with the same views as me... then you would disagree with everything they said just like you do me.
I believe in common since... and all common since tells me our government is VERY crooked and evil.

STORM SHADOW

12-10-2005, 03:06 PM

JJ Insane1

12-10-2005, 05:22 PM

blah blah blah..that's all you have. First you wonder why there are no Sat Photos of truck convoys headed to Libia...then I explain that there really are Sat Photos..the military took them... then you come back with "bullshit...there are trucks headed to Libia everyday blah blah blah" gawwwd... this just isn't worthy of my greatness to debate anymore.

SS

Ok ... Your "greatness".... let me hit you with one of YOUR tactics....

You say there ARE photos of convoys of trucks going to Libia right with WMD on them correct? You say this because "the government said so"

THEN PROVE IT
WHERE IS THE PROOF?
WHERE ARE THE PICTURES?

Look... i just used one of your moves.... Now... can i see proof?

JJ Insane1

12-10-2005, 05:24 PM

PROVE IT!

I WANT TO SEE PHOTOS OF WMD ON TRUCKS GOING TO LIBIA!

DO YOU HAVE PROOF?

"THE GOVERNMENT SAID SO" IS NOT PROOF MY FRIEND!

rugbythug

12-10-2005, 07:18 PM

JJ Insane1

12-10-2005, 08:07 PM

not libya syria.

Speculation on WMDs in Syria was fueled by the fact that satellite images picked up long lines of trucks waiting to cross the border into Syria before the coalition launched the invasion. Mr. Duelfer previously had reported that Syria was a major conduit for materials entering Iraq that were banned by the United Nations.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050427-121915-1667r.htm

Ok... and this proves what? Do i see pictures of WMD being hauled out of the country... (doesnt matter what country).... cant anyone who needs to cover there ass make a nice story like this up? Sure they can.

Just like everyone seems to want to press me toward... I WANT PROOF!
I SEE NO PROOF.
There where no WMD... YOUR OWN PRESIDENT ADMITTED THAT ON NATIONAL TV FOR GOD SAKES.

rugbythug

12-10-2005, 08:09 PM

That is not true. He used them on his own country.

Big A

12-12-2005, 06:28 AM

long lines of trucks waiting to cross the border

That to me shows proof that there was nothing important in those trucks. If indeed the trucks were quickly smuggling important cargo, they would not be stuck waiting in qeues at borders! They would have been rushed through expediately through both Iraqi customs and Syrian customs.
That's just common sense.

Big A

12-12-2005, 06:29 AM

That is not true. He used them on his own country.

Before the WMD program was effectively diassembled by sanctions and inspectors in the '90s.

JJ Insane1

12-12-2005, 06:59 PM

That's just common sense.

Thats the key word my friend... COMMON SENSE!

That seems to be very lacking on this board.

JJ Insane1

12-12-2005, 07:06 PM

not libya syria.

satellite images picked up long lines of trucks waiting to cross the border into Syria before the coalition launched the invasion.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050427-121915-1667r.htm

Do you remember how long Mr Dictator Bush gave the Iraqis to leave there own country or suffer the "shock and bla" campaign?
Sure... there probably was long lines of every kind of vehicle leaving the country.... i dont blame them, i would rather leave and live also.
Now.... what proof do you have that there where WMD on those trucks, cars, ect instead of SCARED Iraqis?

I agree with Big A.... i hardly think they would just sit around letting America the GREAT take satellite photos of all there WMD.
There was nothing but scared Iraqis in those vehicles.... if you do not believe that... then prove something different my friend.

rugbythug

12-13-2005, 03:47 PM

Before the WMD program was effectively diassembled by sanctions and inspectors in the '90s.

That is what we assume because we have not found them. However this was never verified in the 90's either.

rugbythug

12-13-2005, 03:50 PM

That to me shows proof that there was nothing important in those trucks. If indeed the trucks were quickly smuggling important cargo, they would not be stuck waiting in qeues at borders! They would have been rushed through expediately through both Iraqi customs and Syrian customs.
That's just common sense.

Not every country has passable roads that are uncontrolled. It is common sense for a country to control its entry points. It is common sense that these trucks are not humvee's.

Big A

12-14-2005, 01:00 AM

Not every country has passable roads that are uncontrolled. It is common sense for a country to control its entry points. It is common sense that these trucks are not humvee's.

It is common sense that Iraq wouldn't let these trucks wait stuck in traffic on their side and also Syria would have obviously known what was in those trucks in advance, so they would have rushed them through as well, as basically the 'deal' would have been made between Saddam and the Syrian dictator, so right at the top, so the pawns manning the borders would have worked expeditiously to 'smuggle' the trucks through.

That is common sense if the trucks were containg WMD.

But then again, it could also have been a beaurocratic bungle at the border too that made the trucks stuck there. Unlikely though.

JJ Insane1

12-14-2005, 02:40 AM

Not every country has passable roads that are uncontrolled. It is common sense for a country to control its entry points. It is common sense that these trucks are not humvee's.

Yes... that is common sense... so common sense would tell you... THEY KNEW the WMD where coming into there country.... and they would do anything to get them over without THE UNITED STATES FINDING OUT... why?
Because George declared a war on ANYONE - ANY COUNTRY that helped terrorist.
So... what would be the reason to hold them up at the border? Do they like being bombed all to hell also?

rugbythug

12-14-2005, 05:57 AM

It is common sense that Iraq wouldn't let these trucks wait stuck in traffic on their side and also Syria would have obviously known what was in those trucks in advance, so they would have rushed them through as well, as basically the 'deal' would have been made between Saddam and the Syrian dictator, so right at the top, so the pawns manning the borders would have worked expeditiously to 'smuggle' the trucks through.

That is common sense if the trucks were containg WMD.

But then again, it could also have been a beaurocratic bungle at the border too that made the trucks stuck there. Unlikely though.

Honestly IMO I doubt there was that much control in country in the war leadup. It would probably look like Wal-Mart the day after Thanksgiving. This is just my opinion but Saddam Never let anyone verify that he destroyed the weapons. Thus enduring all sorts of embargos and other things that hurt his country and him. Why do this but still get rid of the WMD's. Everyone knows he had them.