Who is Allah? continued...

[Big A]

Due to the database problems we had, youhave to continue the 'Who is Allah?' thread here as that thread has errors in it and you cannot post or view the 3rd page.

[kawasaki1]

Great to have the board back up and running:) Let the debate begin:cool:

[Big A]

All the continuing arguments from http://www.discussworldissues.com/forums/showthread.php?t=664 have to be posted here.

[pete999]

my take on religion...

for all those "hard core" christians or muslims or whatever...

FACT is if you were born in china for example you would be a budist or whatever they pray to there...

you can dance around it left and right and quote "bibles" left and right and repeat your religious mantras all you like but you know it and i know it :D

the most hardcore christian would be the most hard core muslim if he was born in saudi arabia and not the vatican for example...

its a just a matter of what brain wash is popular in your region...

dont treat my post as disrespectful towards your religion...i am a non believer and this is my "religion"...if "god" has a problem with this then its his fault because its how he made me :D ...if "god" will judge me for my "Actions" then ill just say: its how you made me you hioprcite...

[Big A]

my take on religion...

for all those "hard core" christians or muslims or whatever...

FACT is if you were born in china for example you would be a budist or whatever they pray to there...

you can dance around it left and right and quote "bibles" left and right and repeat your religious mantras all you like but you know it and i know it :D

the most hardcore christian would be the most hard core muslim if he was born in saudi arabia and not the vatican for example...

its a just a matter of what brain wash is popular in your region...

dont treat my post as disrespectful towards your religion...i am a non believer and this is my "religion"...if "god" has a problem with this then its his fault because its how he made me :D ...if "god" will judge me for my "Actions" then ill just say: its how you made me you hioprcite...

LOL Good post. :)

[ivan]

I posted what I think on a new thread I started titled Religion the Big scam.. I am glad so many are waking up and realizing what the truth is...But the truth is scary and hard to swallow for some. I know I would be hard to talk to if I found out I had been tricked and brainwashed my whole life!

[kawasaki1]

Nice post Pete!!!

[BigA_old]

This is one of the most interesting threads I've come across on an internet forum for a while.

I was born and raised into a Jewish family and to tell you the truth, all religion - Judaism included - gives me the absolute shits!!!

All modern day religion is based on The Ten Commandments which are in my opinion the biggest mood kill ever created. Thou shall not covet thy neigbour's wife for example. If you guys could see my neighbours wife then you would gladly covet her regardless of religion or sex, trust me on this. Back to the Ten Commandments. The only proof of the Ten Commandments is that they appear in the bible, the Old Testament that is. But who wrote the Old Testament? Man wrote the Old Testament not God/Allah. To quote the book/movie 'The DaVinci Code', "The good book did not arrive via facsimile from heaven". So the only proof we have of God's words appears in a book written by man.

Religion was a good way of controlling the masses in times of lawlessness. But in today's day and age I think religion is no longer necessary. Conan hit the nail on the head in that you don't need religion to be a good person. If you need to believe in a higher power to get you through the day then so be it, but there is no need to push it on other people.

I said Judaism gives me the shits also. Let me explain. I have family in Israel so I go there as often as possible which is difficult as I live in Australia. You see and hear on the news all the time about the problems in that part of the world. In terms of the Israeli/Arab conflicts, on the Israeli side of the border peace could have come a long time ago if it wasn't for the ultra orthodox Jews. These people are the religious leaders of the community and they are supposed to be preaching peace and harmony, but the Mother Fu**ers don't want it because of border's that exist in the Old Testament (written by man) aren't recognised today. For FU*K sake, are you kidding me? It's the only country I know of where the average Joe who would normally be blood thirsty are actually yelling for peace but the religious leaders want the blood shed to continue.

Sahar, you sound like a person who is somewhat open minded. The question I ask you is what do you think about people strapping on explosive vests and killing people in the name of religion? Or about flying planes into buildings in the name of religion? Or setting bombs to go off in train stations and clubs in Bali all in the name of religion? Or shooting and torturing women in public because they don't dress 'appropriately'? I don't mean to be a smart arse but all of the instances I just mentioned have all been done by Muslim's and saying it was God's will.

[sahar mohammed]

Hello Mr ( Big A) .Mr ( kawasaki1) and all of you

first , just want to say to ( big A) , your doing a great job on this forum , great to have it back , well done

And I'm ready to contain the conversation we had on the previous topic Although these days it's so hard to have time to be online as I'm so busy , but I'll try any way

I just want to answer what Mr ( BJJMaster) asked me about

First , let me tell you that Muslims would never do what you have said . It's totally against the Islamic teachings

But the question you asked about terrorism ,you can answer yourself . why there is violence every where ? why there are people want to kill other people ? why there are wars in the world ???

Terrorism is not a new thing we face today . Terrorism has been existed since ever . And we all are against these horrible actions

Read any history book for any country in the world .Read about the crusades . Read about the American black history of violence and the killing of black people ,Read about Hitler and Nazism . Read about zionism . Read about Mussolini . Read about the two World Wars .And the examples will just go on and on
Aren't all these examples of terrorists actions ??

From all these examples and thousands more examples you will notice that violence is certainly not connected with specified area or connected with specified culture or connected with specified religion because history is witness that it's exist every where . and those extremists are not representing their culture or their religion or their country , but they only representing themselves . People like them are cursed every where .They are cursed in the Quran

Every one in front of God and the law is responsible for his own actions , not his culture ,not his religion . not his country , don't you know that already BJJMaster ?

I hope I answered your question . If I didn't then forgive me

Peace,
salaam

[BigA_old]

First , let me tell you that Muslims would never do what you have said . It's totally against the Islamic teachings

Terrorism is not a new thing we face today . Terrorism has been existed since ever . And we all are against these horrible actions

Every one in front of God and the law is responsible for his own actions , not his culture ,not his religion . not his country , don't you know that already BJJMaster ?

I hope I answered your question . If I didn't then forgive me

Peace,
salaam

Hi there,

I agree with 99.9% of everything you said in your reply to my post.

Terrorism has been around for thousands of years. I might be wrong here and please correct me if I am, some of the very first recorded acts of terrorism were acts committed by Jews against the Romans who were then ruling and governing Israel/Judea.

You said that the recent acts I mentioned were not committed by Muslims. Okay then, who were they committed by? I don't think anyone can claim I am wrong. We've all seen groups such as Al Quaeda, Islamic Jihad and many others claim responsibility for these horrible acts. When the mastermind behind the Sari club attack in Bali was convicted of his crimes, he came out of the court room with a big smile on his face yelling with confidence, "Allah hu akabar" (sorry if the spelling is wrong).

I agree with you in that I know these are totally against Muslim teachings, but the people committing these acts would disagree with you.

There are approx. 1 billion Muslims in the world, almost 1/5 of the planet's population and it's only a minute percentage of them that are terrorists, and as such give the rest of the peace loving Muslim's in this world a bad reputation (as in all walks of life). But they are Muslim's none the less. You've stated that the Quran is the only true word of God. So where in the Quran are these people getting the idea that it is God's will that these thing's happen? They are getting them from somewhere.

I'm going to quote my favourite comedian Billy Connolly, "If you bring Moses, Mohammed, Jesus, etc. to the future in the year 2007, take them to a hospital for the mentally insane, let them knock on a door and proclaim to a doctor or a nurse inside that 'God talks to me', they won't even be let home to get their pyjamas".

I agree with Conan. May God save us from religion, because just like the internal combustion engine, religion is obsolete.

[sahar mohammed]

Hello Mr BJJMaster

Yes, I can see your point
But I want first to clear something out , when you're in a case of war , then always expect to hear lots of lies all over the media that the only purpose of spreading them is to make the other side looks very bad and by that you win the support of the people ,

I will explain what I've said , I mean that during the time of war , the ideological war is 1000 more times dangerous than the nuclear war . you might hear thousands of things in the media but not all these News have to be true , many times the media is only another weapon that the government would use to gain the support of the public opinion .

I'm not saying that 1.7 billion Muslims around the world all are good people , no ,sure the extremists are every where like I said before .the majority are good people but not all of them are ,. There are extremist Muslims that did terrorists actions .. ( For every rule you will find someone breaks it ). , but true Muslims would never do such thing, that's what I meant by saying the media plays an important role in this war ... And in my opinion . these terrorist actions that happened wasn't about religion but it's most about political reasons ,

You said in your post that these extremists must have got that from Quran or Islam , well I will Quote this time what Yusuf Estes said about the same issue when he was talking to a big audience about it .. he was talking about what happened In Oklahoma City,1995 or 1996 , he said ( have you heard about Oklahoma City ? ok , there was a Federal Building that blew up there in 1996 .. Immediately they said Muslims did it ,but guess what , it wasn't made by a Muslim , it was made by a man called Timothy McVeigh , and do you know what his religion was ? he was catholic , and nobody made the Pope write an excuse for him either or went to look in the bible wondering where he get that from , did they ? and I don't blame the catholic church for what he did , He did it by his own .so, don't blame a religion for what some of his followers might do ) I hope I made my point clear

[kawasaki1]

Nice to have you back sahar mohammed!! I enjoy reading your posts (you're always good in the debate)!!!

[sahar mohammed]

Nice to have you back sahar mohammed!! I enjoy reading your posts (you're always good in the debate)!!!


Thank you brother ( kawasaki1 )
May God bless you , guide you and guide all of us to his only true way . Amen