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Old 09-09-2012, 10:41 PM   #1
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Default Donkey of the Race. Monza 2012
Paul di Resta - A poor move on Senna at the 2nd chicane, and despite retirements he only finished 8th after showing great pace yesterday.

Kobayashi - Way off his teammate even with better strategy, the Sauber was faster than that.

Riccardo - Was clear of the Williams into the last half a lap and on for points. Then lost 2 places in 2 corners????

Webber- He lost 3 places to 14th on lap 1, was way slower than Seb and even when Vettel had an issue was still behind him until Seb retired, then spun and retired due to damaged tyres. A really pants weekend.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:43 PM   #2
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Vettel For realy being a stupid idiot trying to squeeze Alonso onto the grass ,resulting in a drive through penalty
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:47 AM   #3
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With a race that had so many great drives up and down the grid, I'd have to give the donkey award to Vettel. The squeeze could have been fair and although Fernando did similar (not as bad IMO) last year, I think he pushed it too far. Could have been a big one and another ban handed out.
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:48 AM   #4
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Vettel For realy being a stupid idiot trying to squeeze Alonso onto the grass ,resulting in a drive through penalty
He just returned the compliment from last year, remember that?
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:51 AM   #5
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He just returned the compliment from last year, remember that?
Both moves were dangerous but I'd be concerned if drivers were issuing payback moves on track.
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:04 AM   #6
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I dont think there was any intention of revenge in Vettels move.

I just think Sebastian was frustrated at the lack of pace he could find in his Red Bull and almost didn't realise how far Alonso was along side and moved to far.

That said it was still dangerous and I winced as it happen as I was sure Alonso would lose it into the gravel.
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:07 AM   #7
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I dont think there was any intention of revenge in Vettels move.
I don't think so for one second.
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:57 AM   #8
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Bieber for trying to ram off Alonso. The penalty was clearly deserved.
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:38 AM   #9
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Both moves were dangerous but I'd be concerned if drivers were issuing payback moves on track.
I don't think it was necessarily intentional (in both cases), I just wanted to remind everybody that the same thing happened last year. It's just that in that particular point of track it's quite possible that the guy in front is just not aware where the guy behind is.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:02 AM   #10
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Well I diddnt see the race so I cant really say

I did catch some of the highlights and what Jaime on BBC radio 5 (or what ever channel it was) said was right, Vettel was clearly in the wrong. A very silly move. a possible donkey of the race but I cant say for not seeing the whole race.

Drivers? Id say Hamilton for dominating the race. I'd also have to say Massa, he did really well and sacrificed the podium to help out his team mate. He acted as the perfect number 2 driver there, if every race performance was as good as this from him then Ferrari should have no problems keeping him in the team!
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:24 AM   #11
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It seems Curve Grande gets special treatment.

Any other race track its OK to take your racing line and force the other guy off the track eg. Hamilton forcing off Maldonado in Valencia.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:09 AM   #12
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It's just that in that particular point of track it's quite possible that the guy in front is just not aware where the guy behind is.
Hmmm, yeah...uh, NO way! Especially if a guy like Alonso is breathing down your neck.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:10 AM   #13
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Vettel For realy being a stupid idiot trying to squeeze Alonso onto the grass ,resulting in a drive through penalty
For a minute, i thought you were gonna call him a gherkin!
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:49 PM   #14
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I'm going to give this one to Webber and the stewards. Webber had a horrible weekend from start to finish.

I don't think Vettel deserved the penalty. Alonso was so much faster than he was coming out of the previous turn that I think it caught Vettel by surprise. Personally I think the stewards are too heavy handed with the penalties and the new 'driving standards' rules are pointless. Brundle commented that the Pirrelli tyres and DRS had opened the drivers minds to ovetaking opportunities and he may be right, but how much of this new found bravery is due to the fact that drivers know that their opponent is almost hamstrung in his defence by the threat of a penalty?
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:30 PM   #15
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Di Resta for a stupid move on Senna.

The stewards for giving Vettel a ridiculous penalty.
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:49 PM   #16
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aki - poor Ricciardo had fuel surge issues in the POS that substitutes for an F1 car at STR. And Webber was defending his position on rears that were totally munted, and suffered the consequences of over-driving to compensate - RBR brought him in when it became obvious that, in the immortal words of Scotty in Engineering "She'll no tek it, Cap'n. She'll vibrate herself to pieces".

Bieber gets my vote, with special mention to Scuderia Ferrari for another "Fernando is faster than you" moment, on poor ol' Massa.
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Old 09-10-2012, 03:59 PM   #17
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Dex, I dont think the same thing happened last year at all. Alonso squeezed and left enough racing room for Vettel to complete the pass. This year, Vettel left no room at all and forced him completely off the track at incredible speed. You can not race wheel to wheel with Vettel and expect to get any respect or trust from him. The penalty was deserved.
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:52 PM   #18
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I'm going to give this one to Webber and the stewards. Webber had a horrible weekend from start to finish.

I don't think Vettel deserved the penalty. Alonso was so much faster than he was coming out of the previous turn that I think it caught Vettel by surprise. Personally I think the stewards are too heavy handed with the penalties and the new 'driving standards' rules are pointless. Brundle commented that the Pirrelli tyres and DRS had opened the drivers minds to ovetaking opportunities and he may be right, but how much of this new found bravery is due to the fact that drivers know that their opponent is almost hamstrung in his defence by the threat of a penalty?
Yep, I agree with this completely. Absolutely absurd decision by the stewards to penalize Vettel for what happened with Alonso. Are drivers not allowed to defend their position anymore? When you compare what Vettel did yesterday to what Schumacher did to Hamilton throughout the race last year you just see a rake of inconsistency. It's the pinnacle of motorsport. With these ridiculous decisions it's becoming a "Oh, after you sir" formula. This continual meddling and stupid penalties the stewards are handing out is really leaving a sour taste in my mouth towards formula one at times.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:57 PM   #19
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Dex, I dont think the same thing happened last year at all. Alonso squeezed and left enough racing room for Vettel to complete the pass. This year, Vettel left no room at all and forced him completely off the track at incredible speed. You can not race wheel to wheel with Vettel and expect to get any respect or trust from him. The penalty was deserved.
I think Vettel just didn't realise how slow he was compared to Alonso on the straight and suddenly Alonso was there on the outside. Mind you that Red Bulls (and Lotus) have a lot less power than Ferraris.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:06 PM   #20
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Yeah, I guess the only one who knows is Vettel. I'll ring him, I have him on speed dial.
.... ring ring .... ring ring .... click
me : Hey Seb, Jimmy here
seb : Hey Jimmy, you are a legend, you said you would call me more!
me : Shut up bitch, did you know Alonso was next to you?
seb : Yeah, like, I totally hate that guy, I tried to put him in the wall. Everyone says he's better than me,
but he's not not not! I'm the best best best! Helmut told me so.
me : You're a ****er.
seb : Please don't tell Mark my car is better than his ... tee hee
me : .. click.

That settles it then, Vettel is a prick.
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