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Old 03-18-2012, 04:15 PM   #21
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The car didnīt looked so bad in the hands of Alonso. Perhaps they can beat Mercedes in the standings this year, ofcourse thatīs depend on Massa.
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:26 PM   #22
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Ok, so I was right to say Ferrari won't be a midfield runner. They will fix things in 2-3 races. Alonso was 4th from 12th, and the SC robbed him of a position, and he lost the heat in the tyres after the SC. Ferrari still has problems with tyre heat. With heavy fuel and mediums Alonso was only .2 slower than the front runners, with light load ,he could not get the tires heated properly and was .7-.8 slower.
Areas to iprove:Qualifying, Top speed, strategy. Slow trap speeds made it hard to overtake. Again Domenicali doesn't understand his car, because Alonso should have come out with softs for the last stint, that would have allowed him to retain 4th position.

Not bad though considering the start, 7 places gained.

Massa is a passenger, a non-factor, please get Kubica in the car or the Ferrari-driver program driver Perez in that second car.
Coping your post from another thread.

Well, Ferrari was better today than they looked in qualifying, so the situation is not as bad as it seemed yesterday.
But looking from another angle... I have to say that Ferrari actually is pretty much a midfield runner. But it is a very large midfield as everyone from 3rd team onwards can be considered to be part of this group. Alonso ended up 5th, but he was helped with circumstances in addition to his own great drive. Compromised qualifying of Saubers (and poor strategy of Pérez), Schumacher's problems, Maldonado's inability to pass and also Lotus didn't get everything out of the race (Grosjean's accident and Kimi was in traffic most of the time). It looks like all of them can compete with Ferrari especially when Ferrari fades at the end of stints.
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:59 PM   #23
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They will be back in Style, as soon as they can use the new chassis, reposition the exhaust, remove a couple degrees of rear wing flap, start using softs at the end of races, and hopefully get rid of Massa.

Merc is slower than Ferrari on pace, and tire fading is worse for them too.

Fernando is worth 7th-8th on the grid, not 12th, he spun out.

The SC destroyed his medium tires temps and with light fuel and a colder track he could not build the heat back into the tires... softs would have really helped a lot.

The middle section of the race, Nando was faster than Webber, and for a few laps faster than Vettel.

This means that the potential is there. They are running too much rear wing to make up the lost downforce from exhaust/diffuser disaster.....

Watch them in Europe...
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:15 PM   #24
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They will be back in Style, as soon as they can use the new chassis, reposition the exhaust, remove a couple degrees of rear wing flap, start using softs at the end of races, and hopefully get rid of Massa.

Merc is slower than Ferrari on pace, and tire fading is worse for them too.

Fernando is worth 7th-8th on the grid, not 12th, he spun out.

The SC destroyed his medium tires temps and with light fuel and a colder track he could not build the heat back into the tires... softs would have really helped a lot.

The middle section of the race, Nando was faster than Webber, and for a few laps faster than Vettel.

This means that the potential is there. They are running too much rear wing to make up the lost downforce from exhaust/diffuser disaster.....

Watch them in Europe...
I'm not sure Australia gave a good indicator of Ferrari's performance as its very much a stop start track and a bit of a one-off. Wait until Sepang where the long fast corners give a better aero workout than Melbourne and I think Ferrari's weaknesses will be exposed more.
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:40 PM   #25
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I guess this should finally prove that Alonso is a great driver. He is hauling a piece of junk up to fifth.
With all the talk in another thread about Massa possibly being replaced due to his poor form; who could step in and get more out of the car than it deserves?
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:33 PM   #26
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I'm not sure Australia gave a good indicator of Ferrari's performance as its very much a stop start track and a bit of a one-off. Wait until Sepang where the long fast corners give a better aero workout than Melbourne and I think Ferrari's weaknesses will be exposed more.
For all we know, it might be exactly the opposite. It might well be that the long fast corners are better suited while straights and slow sections are less suited.
We also have to consider that next weekend we'll have medium and hard tires, no softs. Now that could very well hurt Ferrari if they don't use the hards with heavy fuel, at the start of the race.

Anywhere I can read sector times for each driver from today's race? I want do look at what are the best and worse sectors for Ferrari.
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:36 PM   #27
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The SC destroyed his medium tires temps and with light fuel and a colder track he could not build the heat back into the tires... softs would have really helped a lot.
The SC was there for everyone else, not only for Alonso.
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:37 PM   #28
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For all we know, it might be exactly the opposite. It might well be that the long fast corners are better suited while straights and slow sections are less suited.
We also have to consider that next weekend we'll have medium and hard tires, no softs. Now that could very well hurt Ferrari if they don't use the hards with heavy fuel, at the start of the race.

Anywhere I can read sector times for each driver from today's race? I want do look at what are the best and worse sectors for Ferrari.
Ferrari's issues are cleary aero related. Long fast corners test the cars aero much more than straights and slow corners.
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:47 PM   #29
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The issues are more than aero related, aero affects downforce, top speed, downforce affects tyres, tyres affect lap tipmes. The problem is more complex than that for sure. I know what I have seen. Alonso being competitive in the begginning and middle stint, faster than one of the Bulls for sure, than with light fuel load (less weight on the tyres in the slow section) and a track that was getting colder at that time of the day, he wasn't able to bring the temps up, that cost him at least .5s per lap if not more.

The Ferrari still has a hard time getting the heat into the tyres, that's why the SC has penalyzed Ferrari more.
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:51 PM   #30
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Is there a site with ALL lap times from each driver?
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:56 PM   #31
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Is there a site with ALL lap times from each driver?
You can see it on the official F1 website.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:08 AM   #32
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I only see the BEST lap time, not a lap by lap timing table...
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:55 AM   #33
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The issues are more than aero related, aero affects downforce, top speed, downforce affects tyres, tyres affect lap tipmes. The problem is more complex than that for sure. I know what I have seen. Alonso being competitive in the begginning and middle stint, faster than one of the Bulls for sure, than with light fuel load (less weight on the tyres in the slow section) and a track that was getting colder at that time of the day, he wasn't able to bring the temps up, that cost him at least .5s per lap if not more.

The Ferrari still has a hard time getting the heat into the tyres, that's why the SC has penalyzed Ferrari more.
This may well be true. Ferrari may have worse degradation on tracks with long fast turns, but I think that abrupt turns that require good mechanical grip are exacerbated by what little down force they can produce. They are really slow in medium slow corners, without the band aid fix they have employed that compromises their top end. They need the new rig
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:46 PM   #34
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Is there a site with ALL lap times from each driver?
Does the FIA website have this detail?

Edit: Yes it does - Timing Information
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:20 PM   #35
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Does the FIA website have this detail?

Edit: Yes it does - Timing Information
Get it while it's hot though, it'll disappear as soon as they start putting up information for Malaysia.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:49 AM   #36
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Thanks guys... I have gotten the info, and it's pretty interesting. It looks like be4 the safety car, Alonso's lap times were on par with Vettel and Webber, just after the safety car, from lap 42 till lap 58 every car was getting faster and faster as the fuel load got lighter, and Alonso only had marginal gain in lap times but wasn't able to go below 1.30 I am sure some of the problem was he could not use drs with Maldonado up his ass, and he was being conservative just trying to bring it home and not get pipped by Maldonado who had a faster car at the end (could use DRS).

All in all Alonso was about .4 sec per lap slower than LH in the first two stints on clear laps. That isn't bad at all.

Ferrari has got to gain .5-.6 seconds and they will be able to fight for the top spots.

They know what to work on.... traction, fix the exhaust to gain some downforce and reduce rear wing incidence at that point to get some better top speed.
Rosberg was the fastest, with a whopping 12kmph better top speed compared to Massa.
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:01 AM   #37
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It does look like Alonso will struggle in Malaysia... he carries a lower top speed in fast turns, not only the straights... So it will be very hard unless they fix something...
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:06 AM   #38
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I think the Ferrari is a mess in low fuel trim, hence the poor qually and lack of relative pace at the end of the race, whilst with high fuel load in race trim the car seemed much more stable and was competitive. SD said there are no plans for a new chassis

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Old 03-20-2012, 02:46 PM   #39
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I think the Ferrari is a mess in low fuel trim, hence the poor qually and lack of relative pace at the end of the race, whilst with high fuel load in race trim the car seemed much more stable and was competitive. SD said there are no plans for a new chassis

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It's different from what Italian medias have said about new chassis, or chassis mods.
The Italian press stated that the mods of the chassis at the rear were enough to warrant new crash tests.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:35 AM   #40
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SD said there are no plans for a new chassis
Which means that we'll see the new chassis around the Barcelona GP week end.
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