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**xyupi** · 06-19-2011, 07:33 PM

Why do some people in the Acropolis thread think that Quesnel is plotting against Loeb in favour of Ogier? Is this just a conspiracy theory? It seems to revolve around Loeb losing splits on the night stage on leg two, but I don't know that that's good evidence. On the other hand, I can understand the view that Quesnel wants to build up a new star.

At least it's nice to look on Loeb as the underdog again!

**foonlesse** · 06-19-2011, 07:54 PM

Can't see anything in it. However, Ogier is Quesnel's 'boy' - whereas Loeb was Frequelin's boy. There have been rumours/stories that Loeb/Quesnel don't see eye to eye.
Who know what will happen in the future? Personally, I'd love to see him at VW...

**deandrecooke** · 06-19-2011, 10:04 PM

Citroen is in WRC to sell car. Loeb was a perfect marketing engine to sell cars, but his domination has ruined his marketing value. People or more exciting if Ogier wins then when Loeb wins again and again and again. Quesnell has many reasons to make Ogier his lead driver and car seller. Loebs marketing use is coming to the end of his production date. And as already mentioned, Loeb is the protege of Frequelin, and Quesnell wants to run the playground with his own toys, not of a toy left over from the previuews chief.
In Greece Citroen had not many choises with Citoren drivers on position 1 and 2. If they help Ogier, they disadvantage Loeb. If they do NOT help Ogier, they disadvantage Ogier.

**Gazeboss** · 06-19-2011, 10:05 PM

check On sait qui est le n°1 : c'est Ogier ! - Rallye de Grèce 2011 - Wrc - Eurosport

Loeb is clearly complaining that his team is helping Ogier to win the rally rather than helping him to protect his championship lead. And Ogier complains that last time there were team order (mexico) Loeb ignored them.

Nice Team spirit at Citroen, but that's what you get when you get 2 drivers with big ego and big potential. Loeb at ford next year? just to piss Quesnel off?

**secondmortgagek** · 06-19-2011, 10:22 PM

The day has come!!!! Yay!!! I knew this was going to happen and Loeb has or nearly gone past his expiration date. Yes he can still win and will, but it's his time for him to stop... (but I think if he doesn't he still will win rallies but pointless for the sport)

**actifadepette** · 06-19-2011, 10:31 PM

Citroen is in WRC to sell car. Loeb was a perfect marketing engine to sell cars, but his domination has ruined his marketing value. People or more exciting if Ogier wins then when Loeb wins again and again and again. Quesnell has many reasons to make Ogier his lead driver and car seller. Loebs marketing use is coming to the end of his production date. And as already mentioned, Loeb is the protege of Frequelin, and Quesnell wants to run the playground with his own toys, not of a toy left over from the previuews chief.
In Greece Citroen had not many choises with Citoren drivers on position 1 and 2. If they help Ogier, they disadvantage Loeb. If they do NOT help Ogier, they disadvantage Ogier.

**Siffidiolla** · 06-19-2011, 10:34 PM

Loeb at ford next year? just to piss Quesnel off?

I would like to see him in Ford, just to see if their problem is the car or the drivers (even if I think both of them

), but it will hardly happen...
Anyway, Malcolm Wilson should try to take advantage of this situation in Citroen and try to take one of their drivers for next year

**GWRIeEQp** · 06-19-2011, 10:37 PM

The day has come!!!! Yay!!! I knew this was going to happen and Loeb has or nearly gone past his expiration date. Yes he can still win and will, but it's his time for him to stop... (but I think if he doesn't he still will win rallies but pointless for the sport)

Loeb is driving for himself. What makes you think he cares about what others think of him? As long as he's competitive he has no reason to stop.

**VIAGRA-** · 06-19-2011, 10:48 PM

'2011 Loeb vs Ogier' situation reminds me '2007 Alonso vs Hamilton' situation. At the end of 2007 McLaren lose both titles... Let`s wait and see, what will happened in WRC.

I think that Loeb already sign contract (for 2012) with another team. That`s why MrQ try to make his life more difficult. Otherwise MrQ is simply stupid.

**deandrecooke** · 06-19-2011, 11:01 PM

[QUOTE=Barreis;935085]About popularity:
WRC - Mur | Facebook
Sebastien Loeb - Mur | Facebook

Loeb will stil be popular, but being him the winner of a rally in a Citroen on sunday wil not sell that much extra Citroens on monday anymore.

Van Merksteijns market value is 50.000 euro - if he wins, the whole rally world is interested in the rally and most are exiting
Ogiers marketing value is 100.000 euro - if he wins, many of the rally fans are interested and exiting
Petter marketing value is 1.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole rallyworld is exciting and very happy and interested in the rally
Raikkonens markteting value is 10.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole autosport world is exciting and very interested inthe rally
Loebs marketing value is 1000 euro's - if he wins, again and again and again, only some rallyfans are intereset and exciting for the rally

Announcing that Loeb has won with a Citroen rallycar is the same as announcing that it is very cold on Antartica and very hot in Saudi Arabia. Rallyfans are only real intereset in the rally if there is a fight, not for a Loeb in a Citroen domination

**Arkadiyas** · 06-19-2011, 11:18 PM

[QUOTE=alleskids;935090]

About popularity:
WRC - Mur | Facebook
Sebastien Loeb - Mur | Facebook

Loeb will stil be popular, but being him the winner of a rally in a Citroen on sunday wil not sell that much extra Citroens on monday anymore.

Van Merksteijns market value is 50.000 euro - if he wins, the whole rally world is interested in the rally and most are exiting
Ogiers marketing value is 100.000 euro - if he wins, many of the rally fans are interested and exiting
Petter marketing value is 1.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole rallyworld is exciting and very happy and interested in the rally
Raikkonens markteting value is 10.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole autosport world is exciting and very interested inthe rally
Loebs marketing value is 1000 euro's - if he wins, again and again and again, only some rallyfans are intereset and exciting for the rally

Announcing that Loeb has won with a Citroen rallycar is the same as announcing that it is very cold on Antartica and very hot in Saudi Arabia. Rallyfans are only real intereset in the rally if there is a fight, not for a Loeb in a Citroen domination

I wonder how did you get those numbers? Maybe for rally fans Ogier means something but if you ask average driver/car shop customer who is the most popular rally driver they will reply Solberg or Loeb. Ogier needs to earn glory and this will take some years and spectacular wins.

**violetgorman** · 06-19-2011, 11:35 PM

I think Mr. Quesnell is jumping from the ship too early, because at this current status I dont think Loeb would risk another year at Citroen, and then what?! Who are they going to pick for number 2?!

If I was Loeb, at this given time, I would contact VW to test their car without contract, just to see where they are going with it, and If I felt the car was indeed in the right direction, I would leave Citroen and try VW for just one or two more years.

And Ford?! Might aswell just leave the championship because they are clearly struggling with a unreliable car.

**foonlesse** · 06-19-2011, 11:37 PM

I wonder how did you get those numbers? Maybe for rally fans Ogier means something but if you ask average driver/car shop customer who is the most popular rally driver they will reply Solberg or Loeb. Ogier needs to earn glory and this will take some years and spectacular wins.

To be honest, I doubt if your average driver has heard of any of them.

**Roneyslelry** · 06-20-2011, 12:13 AM

The fact is, people are bored and done with Loeb winning, and now it shows. Imagine if Manchester Utd won the premier league 7(or 8) times in a row. Everyone would get bored.
I remember a discussion on this forum just after Loeb had won the title last year, we were debating whether any other driver would ever beat him. One guy(cant remember who) hoped that his record will never be beaten, for the reason being that 8 years of complete dominance from one driver will certainly kill the sport altogether.
Now its all starting to surface, and there are clearly eruptions within the citroen team.

Maybe its time for Seb to move to another team(Monster WRT anyone

) and if he is as good as his records prove, he can start winning rallies as a privateer. That would be impressive.

**deandrecooke** · 06-20-2011, 12:14 AM

the numbers are to put it in proportion. A rally win for Loeb in a Citroen does hardly make any news anymore, while a win for Ogier, or for the other Citroen drivers does.
Subary rallycars was immediatly linked to the name Colin McRae and vica versa. But how many Subaru's will nowdays be sold thanks to the name McRae?
Mitsubish i rallycars was immediatly linked to the name Tommi Makinen and vv. But how many Mitsubishi's will be nowdays be sold thanks to the name Makinen?
Citroen rallycars was immediatly linked to the name Sebastien Loeb and vv. But how many Citroens will be sold on monday thanks to the name Loeb? a lot less then in 2004, 2005, 2006. Citoen is in rally to sell cars. The more succes in the media, the more sells, the higher the budget. But a win for Loeb does hardly add anything to the budget anymore for Quesnell. So he wants new toys and he wants toys he can own by himself, nit a toy from Frequelin.

Loeb is still a very talented rally driver and still populair with rally fans, but not so populair anymore with Citroen Sport/Quesnell.

**Arkadiyas** · 06-20-2011, 12:25 AM

Guys I know you quite right but on the other hand I still enjoy Loeb winnig

Maybe it is boring but we can witnessed something extraordinary in rally history. Also I thought other drivers will try to reach his level but 7 years gone and nothing.

**VIAGRA-** · 06-20-2011, 12:56 AM

Great battle between Loeb and MrQ at press-conference:

Loeb: I knew it would be some tactics and I knew it would be no issue for me. Finally, there were no split times in the last stage [from Ogier]. With no splits, the team give him [Ogier] the target time. So I asked: “Why do you give him the benefit and not me?” They knew he wouldn’t get his five seconds – he wanted 20 to stay ahead. At the moment, I was frustrated; I didn’t want to clean the road just in front of him. When you see the team playing tactics nearly against me… It’s what we agreed before. If I had been in the position, it would have been the same for me. We know it’s the rule. For me, it’s no team orders; each driver plays his tactics when he wants. If you lead the Championship you cannot do it, but if you are behind you have the cards and it is okay. He has done it right.

Quesnel: The drivers are equal number one so they know they can push. What we did for Sébastien Ogier, we would have done exactly the same for Sébastien Loeb. They know the car is the same. We want this to be transparent for everybody, the media and the fans.

My verdict: Quesnel is amazingly stupid!

**actifadepette** · 06-20-2011, 02:19 AM

[QUOTE=alleskids;935090]

About popularity:
WRC - Mur | Facebook
Sebastien Loeb - Mur | Facebook

Loeb will stil be popular, but being him the winner of a rally in a Citroen on sunday wil not sell that much extra Citroens on monday anymore.

Van Merksteijns market value is 50.000 euro - if he wins, the whole rally world is interested in the rally and most are exiting
Ogiers marketing value is 100.000 euro - if he wins, many of the rally fans are interested and exiting
Petter marketing value is 1.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole rallyworld is exciting and very happy and interested in the rally
Raikkonens markteting value is 10.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole autosport world is exciting and very interested inthe rally
Loebs marketing value is 1000 euro's - if he wins, again and again and again, only some rallyfans are intereset and exciting for the rally

Announcing that Loeb has won with a Citroen rallycar is the same as announcing that it is very cold on Antartica and very hot in Saudi Arabia. Rallyfans are only real intereset in the rally if there is a fight, not for a Loeb in a Citroen domination

You forgot one word and that's BRAND. Citroen has brand and that's Seb.Loeb. When driver looses works drive, his brand starts to go down (P.Solberg lost some BIG sponsorships after subaru withdraw but he's still popular). Ogier must make his own brand if he wants to be BIG on marketing table. That's lesson about marketing.

**Arkadiyas** · 06-20-2011, 02:28 AM

Great battle between Loeb and MrQ at press-conference:

Loeb: I knew it would be some tactics and I knew it would be no issue for me. Finally, there were no split times in the last stage [from Ogier]. With no splits, the team give him [Ogier] the target time. So I asked: “Why do you give him the benefit and not me?” They knew he wouldn’t get his five seconds – he wanted 20 to stay ahead. At the moment, I was frustrated; I didn’t want to clean the road just in front of him. When you see the team playing tactics nearly against me… It’s what we agreed before. If I had been in the position, it would have been the same for me. We know it’s the rule. For me, it’s no team orders; each driver plays his tactics when he wants. If you lead the Championship you cannot do it, but if you are behind you have the cards and it is okay. He has done it right.

Quesnel: The drivers are equal number one so they know they can push. What we did for Sébastien Ogier, we would have done exactly the same for Sébastien Loeb. They know the car is the same. We want this to be transparent for everybody, the media and the fans.

My verdict: Quesnel is amazingly stupid!

It's going to be interesting

**Zoxeeoy** · 06-20-2011, 02:41 AM

Mr. Quesnel don't want to see next year the number 1 on the VW´s doors.

06-19-2011, 07:33 PM	#1
xyupi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 541 Senior Member	Quesnel Vs Loeb Why do some people in the Acropolis thread think that Quesnel is plotting against Loeb in favour of Ogier? Is this just a conspiracy theory? It seems to revolve around Loeb losing splits on the night stage on leg two, but I don't know that that's good evidence. On the other hand, I can understand the view that Quesnel wants to build up a new star. At least it's nice to look on Loeb as the underdog again! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 07:54 PM	#2
foonlesse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	Can't see anything in it. However, Ogier is Quesnel's 'boy' - whereas Loeb was Frequelin's boy. There have been rumours/stories that Loeb/Quesnel don't see eye to eye. Who know what will happen in the future? Personally, I'd love to see him at VW... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 10:04 PM	#3
deandrecooke Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 493 Senior Member	Citroen is in WRC to sell car. Loeb was a perfect marketing engine to sell cars, but his domination has ruined his marketing value. People or more exciting if Ogier wins then when Loeb wins again and again and again. Quesnell has many reasons to make Ogier his lead driver and car seller. Loebs marketing use is coming to the end of his production date. And as already mentioned, Loeb is the protege of Frequelin, and Quesnell wants to run the playground with his own toys, not of a toy left over from the previuews chief. In Greece Citroen had not many choises with Citoren drivers on position 1 and 2. If they help Ogier, they disadvantage Loeb. If they do NOT help Ogier, they disadvantage Ogier. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 10:05 PM	#4
Gazeboss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	check On sait qui est le n°1 : c'est Ogier ! - Rallye de Grèce 2011 - Wrc - Eurosport Loeb is clearly complaining that his team is helping Ogier to win the rally rather than helping him to protect his championship lead. And Ogier complains that last time there were team order (mexico) Loeb ignored them. Nice Team spirit at Citroen, but that's what you get when you get 2 drivers with big ego and big potential. Loeb at ford next year? just to piss Quesnel off? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 10:22 PM	#5
secondmortgagek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 386 Senior Member	The day has come!!!! Yay!!! I knew this was going to happen and Loeb has or nearly gone past his expiration date. Yes he can still win and will, but it's his time for him to stop... (but I think if he doesn't he still will win rallies but pointless for the sport) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 10:31 PM	#6
actifadepette Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	Citroen is in WRC to sell car. Loeb was a perfect marketing engine to sell cars, but his domination has ruined his marketing value. People or more exciting if Ogier wins then when Loeb wins again and again and again. Quesnell has many reasons to make Ogier his lead driver and car seller. Loebs marketing use is coming to the end of his production date. And as already mentioned, Loeb is the protege of Frequelin, and Quesnell wants to run the playground with his own toys, not of a toy left over from the previuews chief. In Greece Citroen had not many choises with Citoren drivers on position 1 and 2. If they help Ogier, they disadvantage Loeb. If they do NOT help Ogier, they disadvantage Ogier. About popularity: WRC - Mur \| Facebook Sebastien Loeb - Mur \| Facebook Sébastien Ogier [Official Fan Page] - Bienvenue ! \| Facebook Petter Solberg - Welcome! \| Facebook plus: Mikko Hirvonen official fanclub - Mur \| Facebook Jari-Matti Latvala Official Fanclub - Mur \| Facebook Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 10:34 PM	#7
Siffidiolla Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 562 Senior Member	Loeb at ford next year? just to piss Quesnel off? I would like to see him in Ford, just to see if their problem is the car or the drivers (even if I think both of them ), but it will hardly happen... Anyway, Malcolm Wilson should try to take advantage of this situation in Citroen and try to take one of their drivers for next year Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 10:37 PM	#8
GWRIeEQp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	The day has come!!!! Yay!!! I knew this was going to happen and Loeb has or nearly gone past his expiration date. Yes he can still win and will, but it's his time for him to stop... (but I think if he doesn't he still will win rallies but pointless for the sport) Loeb is driving for himself. What makes you think he cares about what others think of him? As long as he's competitive he has no reason to stop. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 10:48 PM	#9
VIAGRA- Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 379 Senior Member	'2011 Loeb vs Ogier' situation reminds me '2007 Alonso vs Hamilton' situation. At the end of 2007 McLaren lose both titles... Let`s wait and see, what will happened in WRC. I think that Loeb already sign contract (for 2012) with another team. That`s why MrQ try to make his life more difficult. Otherwise MrQ is simply stupid. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 11:01 PM	#10
deandrecooke Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 493 Senior Member	[QUOTE=Barreis;935085]About popularity: WRC - Mur \| Facebook Sebastien Loeb - Mur \| Facebook Loeb will stil be popular, but being him the winner of a rally in a Citroen on sunday wil not sell that much extra Citroens on monday anymore. Van Merksteijns market value is 50.000 euro - if he wins, the whole rally world is interested in the rally and most are exiting Ogiers marketing value is 100.000 euro - if he wins, many of the rally fans are interested and exiting Petter marketing value is 1.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole rallyworld is exciting and very happy and interested in the rally Raikkonens markteting value is 10.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole autosport world is exciting and very interested inthe rally Loebs marketing value is 1000 euro's - if he wins, again and again and again, only some rallyfans are intereset and exciting for the rally Announcing that Loeb has won with a Citroen rallycar is the same as announcing that it is very cold on Antartica and very hot in Saudi Arabia. Rallyfans are only real intereset in the rally if there is a fight, not for a Loeb in a Citroen domination Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 11:18 PM	#11
Arkadiyas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 692 Senior Member	[QUOTE=alleskids;935090] About popularity: WRC - Mur \| Facebook Sebastien Loeb - Mur \| Facebook Loeb will stil be popular, but being him the winner of a rally in a Citroen on sunday wil not sell that much extra Citroens on monday anymore. Van Merksteijns market value is 50.000 euro - if he wins, the whole rally world is interested in the rally and most are exiting Ogiers marketing value is 100.000 euro - if he wins, many of the rally fans are interested and exiting Petter marketing value is 1.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole rallyworld is exciting and very happy and interested in the rally Raikkonens markteting value is 10.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole autosport world is exciting and very interested inthe rally Loebs marketing value is 1000 euro's - if he wins, again and again and again, only some rallyfans are intereset and exciting for the rally Announcing that Loeb has won with a Citroen rallycar is the same as announcing that it is very cold on Antartica and very hot in Saudi Arabia. Rallyfans are only real intereset in the rally if there is a fight, not for a Loeb in a Citroen domination I wonder how did you get those numbers? Maybe for rally fans Ogier means something but if you ask average driver/car shop customer who is the most popular rally driver they will reply Solberg or Loeb. Ogier needs to earn glory and this will take some years and spectacular wins. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 11:35 PM	#12
violetgorman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	I think Mr. Quesnell is jumping from the ship too early, because at this current status I dont think Loeb would risk another year at Citroen, and then what?! Who are they going to pick for number 2?! If I was Loeb, at this given time, I would contact VW to test their car without contract, just to see where they are going with it, and If I felt the car was indeed in the right direction, I would leave Citroen and try VW for just one or two more years. And Ford?! Might aswell just leave the championship because they are clearly struggling with a unreliable car. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-19-2011, 11:37 PM	#13
foonlesse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	I wonder how did you get those numbers? Maybe for rally fans Ogier means something but if you ask average driver/car shop customer who is the most popular rally driver they will reply Solberg or Loeb. Ogier needs to earn glory and this will take some years and spectacular wins. To be honest, I doubt if your average driver has heard of any of them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-20-2011, 12:13 AM	#14
Roneyslelry Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	The fact is, people are bored and done with Loeb winning, and now it shows. Imagine if Manchester Utd won the premier league 7(or 8) times in a row. Everyone would get bored. I remember a discussion on this forum just after Loeb had won the title last year, we were debating whether any other driver would ever beat him. One guy(cant remember who) hoped that his record will never be beaten, for the reason being that 8 years of complete dominance from one driver will certainly kill the sport altogether. Now its all starting to surface, and there are clearly eruptions within the citroen team. Maybe its time for Seb to move to another team(Monster WRT anyone) and if he is as good as his records prove, he can start winning rallies as a privateer. That would be impressive. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-20-2011, 12:14 AM	#15
deandrecooke Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 493 Senior Member	the numbers are to put it in proportion. A rally win for Loeb in a Citroen does hardly make any news anymore, while a win for Ogier, or for the other Citroen drivers does. Subary rallycars was immediatly linked to the name Colin McRae and vica versa. But how many Subaru's will nowdays be sold thanks to the name McRae? Mitsubish i rallycars was immediatly linked to the name Tommi Makinen and vv. But how many Mitsubishi's will be nowdays be sold thanks to the name Makinen? Citroen rallycars was immediatly linked to the name Sebastien Loeb and vv. But how many Citroens will be sold on monday thanks to the name Loeb? a lot less then in 2004, 2005, 2006. Citoen is in rally to sell cars. The more succes in the media, the more sells, the higher the budget. But a win for Loeb does hardly add anything to the budget anymore for Quesnell. So he wants new toys and he wants toys he can own by himself, nit a toy from Frequelin. Loeb is still a very talented rally driver and still populair with rally fans, but not so populair anymore with Citroen Sport/Quesnell. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-20-2011, 12:25 AM	#16
Arkadiyas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 692 Senior Member	Guys I know you quite right but on the other hand I still enjoy Loeb winnig Maybe it is boring but we can witnessed something extraordinary in rally history. Also I thought other drivers will try to reach his level but 7 years gone and nothing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-20-2011, 12:56 AM	#17
VIAGRA- Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 379 Senior Member	Great battle between Loeb and MrQ at press-conference: Loeb: I knew it would be some tactics and I knew it would be no issue for me. Finally, there were no split times in the last stage [from Ogier]. With no splits, the team give him [Ogier] the target time. So I asked: “Why do you give him the benefit and not me?” They knew he wouldn’t get his five seconds – he wanted 20 to stay ahead. At the moment, I was frustrated; I didn’t want to clean the road just in front of him. When you see the team playing tactics nearly against me… It’s what we agreed before. If I had been in the position, it would have been the same for me. We know it’s the rule. For me, it’s no team orders; each driver plays his tactics when he wants. If you lead the Championship you cannot do it, but if you are behind you have the cards and it is okay. He has done it right. Quesnel: The drivers are equal number one so they know they can push. What we did for Sébastien Ogier, we would have done exactly the same for Sébastien Loeb. They know the car is the same. We want this to be transparent for everybody, the media and the fans. My verdict: Quesnel is amazingly stupid! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-20-2011, 02:19 AM	#18
actifadepette Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	[QUOTE=alleskids;935090] About popularity: WRC - Mur \| Facebook Sebastien Loeb - Mur \| Facebook Loeb will stil be popular, but being him the winner of a rally in a Citroen on sunday wil not sell that much extra Citroens on monday anymore. Van Merksteijns market value is 50.000 euro - if he wins, the whole rally world is interested in the rally and most are exiting Ogiers marketing value is 100.000 euro - if he wins, many of the rally fans are interested and exiting Petter marketing value is 1.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole rallyworld is exciting and very happy and interested in the rally Raikkonens markteting value is 10.000.000 euro's - if he wins, the whole autosport world is exciting and very interested inthe rally Loebs marketing value is 1000 euro's - if he wins, again and again and again, only some rallyfans are intereset and exciting for the rally Announcing that Loeb has won with a Citroen rallycar is the same as announcing that it is very cold on Antartica and very hot in Saudi Arabia. Rallyfans are only real intereset in the rally if there is a fight, not for a Loeb in a Citroen domination You forgot one word and that's BRAND. Citroen has brand and that's Seb.Loeb. When driver looses works drive, his brand starts to go down (P.Solberg lost some BIG sponsorships after subaru withdraw but he's still popular). Ogier must make his own brand if he wants to be BIG on marketing table. That's lesson about marketing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-20-2011, 02:28 AM	#19
Arkadiyas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 692 Senior Member	Great battle between Loeb and MrQ at press-conference: Loeb: I knew it would be some tactics and I knew it would be no issue for me. Finally, there were no split times in the last stage [from Ogier]. With no splits, the team give him [Ogier] the target time. So I asked: “Why do you give him the benefit and not me?” They knew he wouldn’t get his five seconds – he wanted 20 to stay ahead. At the moment, I was frustrated; I didn’t want to clean the road just in front of him. When you see the team playing tactics nearly against me… It’s what we agreed before. If I had been in the position, it would have been the same for me. We know it’s the rule. For me, it’s no team orders; each driver plays his tactics when he wants. If you lead the Championship you cannot do it, but if you are behind you have the cards and it is okay. He has done it right. Quesnel: The drivers are equal number one so they know they can push. What we did for Sébastien Ogier, we would have done exactly the same for Sébastien Loeb. They know the car is the same. We want this to be transparent for everybody, the media and the fans. My verdict: Quesnel is amazingly stupid! It's going to be interesting Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-20-2011, 02:41 AM	#20
Zoxeeoy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	Mr. Quesnel don't want to see next year the number 1 on the VW´s doors. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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