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Old 10-19-2009, 06:35 PM   #1
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79615

Williams to use Cosworth engines in 2010
By Jonathan Noble
Monday, October 19th 2009, 10:09 GMT


Williams will switch to Cosworth engines next season, AUTOSPORT has learned, after believing its prospects for success in 2010 are best served with the independent engine maker.

Although the Grove-based outfit came close to a deal with Renault, high level sources at the French car manufacturer have revealed that Williams has now informed the company that it is no longer interested in a tie-up for next year.

With Toyota already having confirmed that it is ending its customer supply deal at the end of this year, it means that Williams has now settled on a switch to Cosworth.

Williams is refusing to confirm its engine plans until after the end of the season, but its engineering director Patrick Head praised Cosworth's efforts in preparing for its return to Formula 1.

"They are certainly very committed to it and working hard," he said. "They have been one of the options but we are not stating where we cast our final hook in terms of what is available to us until after the final race of the season. But I think our design office know what they are designing for."

Sources claim that one of the key attractions for Cosworth is the fact that the engine supplier will be able to re-tune its powe runit until early next year - something no other manufacturer is able to do because of F1's engine freeze.

The tweaks could help ensure Cosworth's engine is competitive throughout 2010, which is why Red Bull Racing is also considering a switch to the power unit if it is unsuccessful in its bid to secure Mercedes-Benz power.

Head said that his team had chosen to finish its partnership with Toyota because it fancied a change of direction.

"We had a very good relationship with Toyota," he said. "We made a decision about two months ago that we wanted to go in a different direction and I think the reasons are not for public consumption.

"We haven't had any falling out so it's an amicable parting. There were a number of factors that caused us to make the decision but I don't think that the combination of the reasons we decided to make a change are not ones that we are prepared to share. But it was nothing that caused any shouting and screaming, we chose to change direction.

"Ross Brawn and the team showed that you can make an engine change on Christmas Eve and still produce a pretty competitive car but I don't think our design office would thank us for doing that and they will have a little longer than that to design the car around the engine."
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:39 PM   #2
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Back to 2006 form then?
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:46 PM   #3
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WilliamsF1 just lowered the chance of them attracting high rank drivers considerably.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:48 PM   #4
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Well Patrick Head knows his stuff so he wouldn't be putting a Cossie in the back unless he thought it was a decent lump - Here's hoping Williams can at the very least maintain their form.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:54 PM   #5
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Rubbish...Head has no idea what sort of unit Cosworth will produce, they probably were cheaper than Renault. All but resigns Williams to also-ran status closer to STR than points challengers I think, unless they create a truly magical chassis...
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:35 PM   #6
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Rubbish...Head has no idea what sort of unit Cosworth will produce, they probably were cheaper than Renault. All but resigns Williams to also-ran status closer to STR than points challengers I think, unless they create a truly magical chassis...
This isn't pin the tail on the donkey. Head and Williams will know the relative strengths and weakness of each engine. And yes, cost will be a factor but not the only one.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:46 PM   #7
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It would have been nice to see the Williams Renault combination back in F1
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:36 PM   #8
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It would have been nice to see the Williams Renault combination back in F1
Yep, I think this Cosworth move is stupid. Renault would have been a good partner for Williams. And what if they suddenly get rid of the freeze? Cosworth will at sea in no time.
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:53 PM   #9
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just took a step backwards IMO

there was nothing wrong with the toyota engines and I don't recall a single retirement from an engine blowup at williams. Their problem is their useless low downforce aero package thet rendered them uncompetitive for a 3rd of the races, coupled with some poor race day decision making and somehow not being able to take advantage of their clear DD advantage at the beginning of the year.

toyota may be supplying RBR next year, who seem to want out of another great engine the Renault.

I'm not sure what Williams are doing, if they are trying to look favorable tot eh FIA or something, which is absurd since Mosley and his regime are gone at the end of this month.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:01 PM   #10
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I thought this was interesting:
Sources claim that one of the key attractions for Cosworth is the fact that the engine supplier will be able to re-tune its power unit until early next year - something no other manufacturer is able to do because of F1's engine freeze. The tweaks could help ensure Cosworth's engine is competitive throughout 2010. Whatever the rights and wrongs of an engine freeze, this engine choice might just end up being a good one for Williams.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:14 PM   #11
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Well, consider that most of the 'big names' have either cut back or reduced their overall F1 efforts, it seems that Williams had no other option than Cosworth.
Mercedes & Ferrari aren't looking to supply the entire grid, BMW has gone t!ts-up, and Renault & Toyota aren't going to be making any new deals in the not-to-distant future, Cosworth seems to be the 'supplier of last resort'.

With the whole 'cost cutting' craze going about, and the lack of major sponsorship for teams to afford more expensive engine deals, Cosworth will be the choice for those coming in or cutting back, unless there is a willingness to involve more independent builders or manufacturers to 'step up' and become powertrain suppliers.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:28 PM   #12
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Well, consider that most of the 'big names' have either cut back or reduced their overall F1 efforts, it seems that Williams had no other option than Cosworth.
Mercedes & Ferrari aren't looking to supply the entire grid, BMW has gone t!ts-up, and Renault & Toyota aren't going to be making any new deals in the not-to-distant future, Cosworth seems to be the 'supplier of last resort'.

With the whole 'cost cutting' craze going about, and the lack of major sponsorship for teams to afford more expensive engine deals, Cosworth will be the choice for those coming in or cutting back, unless there is a willingness to involve more independent builders or manufacturers to 'step up' and become powertrain suppliers.
They had a contract with Toyota which they broke...so..
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:49 PM   #13
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Apparently Williams were offered a preferential development deal with Cosworth - whatever that means. Maybe the engine will be tuned more to suit the Williams car than the other new teams - and it's a benefit for Cosworth because they can start testing sooner than waiting for the new teams to build their cars.

It's a sensible choice, mainly because the FIA will go to great lengths to ensure the new teams are kept competitive, and as a by-product Williams end up with a progressively stronger engine.

Plus, Cosworth are independent. Apparently Renault were stalling on a deal because both teams were interested in Kubica, so Renault were allegedly using the engine as leverage to make sure Williams didn't sign him up.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:24 AM   #14
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interesting. Williams' season next year just got unpredicatble, more so than we previously thought. Either the cossie will be a complete lump and stay like that, or their development thing will be used to their advantage, not to mention lotus', campos' and manors as well.
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Old 10-20-2009, 02:40 AM   #15
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This isn't pin the tail on the donkey. Head and Williams will know the relative strengths and weakness of each engine. And yes, cost will be a factor but not the only one.
I doubt very much that Cosworth could narrow the gap to the top engine makers and close four years worth of development with the resources they have, especially since their last engines were not that competitive. The power gains Mercedes and Ferrari especially have made even with the engine freeze are quite impressive.

Cosworth aren't going to develop the engine on charity money, they'll calculate what profit they can make from the engine deals and tailor their development investment to suit. Given that the Cosworth engine deals are supposed to be cheap in line with the FIA engine cost proposals that isn't going to be a large amount of money. Manufacturer backed teams on the other hand....

Williams are in a poor position financially, I hope they aren't choosing this engine out of desperation.
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Old 10-20-2009, 04:21 AM   #16
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to be honest, if I were to rank the engines right now in terms of quality it would be:

#1 Mercedes
#2 Renault
#3 Toyota
#4 Ferrari
#5 BMW

whatever deal Williams are getting with cosworth is going to challenged by the other teams, engine suppliers and new entrants who will be now getting a diminisehd product to the benefit of williams. Also especially if rumors are true and the fia is going to do the ridiculous thing of asking Mercedes to tune down the engine.

It is another sad day in F1 where now the FIA is looking to create artificial parity to the detriment of the sport.

If they just got rid of that engine freeze nonse4sne and allowed teams to develop what they want, you would see a natural parity come to place without all this nonsense.
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Old 10-20-2009, 04:52 AM   #17
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If all the teams have agreed for to this 'cost cap' then we don't need an engine freeze.

Teams can have 1 of 3 things:
1. an amazing engine and an aerodynamically limited car
2. amazing aerodynamics and a poor engine
3. a mediorce engine and aero
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:07 AM   #18
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Cosworth have basically had a year to work on the engine and still have more time. I do not think any of us have a clue as to what kind of power they are getting.
What the FIA do regarding rules may go in a new direction after Fri. depending on the results of the election.
If it is Ari I expect considerably less rule changes without proper consultation.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:44 AM   #19
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Cosworth have basically had a year to work on the engine and still have more time. I do not think any of us have a clue as to what kind of power they are getting.
What the FIA do regarding rules may go in a new direction after Fri. depending on the results of the election.
If it is Ari I expect considerably less rule changes without proper consultation.
no matter what they do , on its own the engine will not be as good as the mercedes, renault toyota or ferrari. And if the FIA chooses to make them more powerful, then the teams will protest. This is not F1 to limit the capabilities of some while promoting others, especially ones that the FIA have aligned themselves with in a feeble attempt to create a single engine supplier mickey mouse series.

If history is any indication then the cosworth will be what it always is. A serviceable engine, with many reliability issues that is no match to the top 4.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:56 PM   #20
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WilliamsF1 just lowered the chance of them attracting high rank drivers considerably.
BANG!! Whoosh!!
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