[mymnarorump]

I do think the way things are going prototypes are going to be the racing of the future - you have technical variety in terms of both chassis and engines, multiple tyre manufacturers involved, racing on tracks with character, with manufacturers, specialist constructors and privateers running off the shelf equipment competing side by side. Now if only these aspects could be combined with a single-driver, two-hour format...

[PypeMaypetasy]

The problem is other big teams are also threatening to pull out. It could get to a stage where Force India's and the safety car will be the only cars on the track.

Bernd Maylander winning the WDC.

Who would have thought it

[PypeMaypetasy]

I can see a breakaway series forming.

Breakaway from the commercial rights holder (FOM and Bernie) possibly but the FIA will still be in charge of regulations ffrom a technical perspective. No option than to stick with the FIA if they want to race

[GaxyGroordrep]

http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/ne...?news_id=19149

Ferrari has issued a statement saying that it 'does not intend entering its cars in the 2010 F1 Championship'.

[Fiesialenp]

With the news that Renault have joined the pull-out threat, I find it even more unlikely that the budget cap will happen - unless Renault intend to withdraw anyway for financial reasons and consider this a good excuse.

[Vikonbarius]

Indeed..rumours of their demise have been around for a while and with Nissan losing money as well as Renault they could use this as the perfect excuse.

[RuttyUttepe]

http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/ne...?news_id=19149

All these articles are saying the same thing.. Ferrari will not be entering their cars in to 2010 championship IF the cap is brought in. This is not a full declaration with the final decision being made.

[jyhugikuhih]

With the old thread gone, I'll try to reprise my opinions.

Ferrari won't (be allowed to) leave. Max may be acting tough with his "sorry to see them go" act, but rest assured his old mate Bernie knows the value of having the brand in F1. A compromise will be found, but probably one which suits the FIA more than Ferrari.

This is also the biggest test so far of FOTA's unity, especially as we approach the May 29th deadline for registering 2010 entries. It only takes one team to crumble and submit their entry and the entire bargaining position is massively weakened with all the others surely falling in line.

However, what's to say that half a dozen new teams won't come along and register? What happens if later in the year the protesting teams decide they're happy to participate but there are no longer any vacant spaces on the grid? Would Max seriously tell Red Bull or BMW that there's no room at the inn?

As I see it, Ferrari's main gripes are that the budget cap is too little and too swift. They also seem concerned that there would be a two-tier championship with, as Patrick Head explained recently, little chance of the uncapped teams being able to spend their way out of trouble.

Of the two objections the budget cap is the easiest to overcome. My suggestions from t'other lost thread were that the cap be phased in, say £200M next year, £120M for 2011, £80M for 2012, then finally Max's proposed target of £40M in 2013. Of course the flaw is that would do little to encourage new teams to enter in the short term.

Whatever, it's vital for the health of F1 that there is never ever ever a two-tier system. I've seen it in touring cars and it's clumsy and ugly, raising suspicions that the governing body is artificially "fixing" race outcomes by giving too little or too much dispensation to one or the other spec cars. There are enough conspiracy theories in F1 as it is, thank you.

[Frodogzzz]

Bernd Maylander winning the WDC.

Who would have thought it

I remember an interview with him about a year ago when he was asked by a reporter, "wouldnt you rather drive the F1 cars than the safety car?". He cooly replied, "no, because I am always in front of the F1 cars!"

[Madjostok]

I think not much will happen...

The FIA will have to reconsider this set of stupid rules, and after some negotiating, everything will be on track (trumpet fanfare, please) again.

Anyway, the two tier system is utter nonsense. Is that a way of getting better racing? Is F1 about that? What are the headhonchos trying to do?

What a pile of negative answers!

[Madjostok]

oh, sorry... I don´t know what happened, the message appeared 4 times

[Badyalectlawl]

I remember an interview with him about a year ago when he was asked by a reporter, "wouldnt you rather drive the F1 cars than the safety car?". He cooly replied, "no, because I am always in front of the F1 cars!"

He's been first to the chequered flag twice already this season!

[22paseabelldaps]

Why would teams, if they break away, be forced to still be under the FIA?

Is there some legal requirement for them to be under their control?

[UvjqTVVC]

Why would teams, if they break away, be forced to still be under the FIA?

Is there some legal requirement for them to be under their control?

this has been discussed in other threads and i think the conclusion was that almost every circuit is under FIA "certification" (for car racing) meaning FIA approves or disapproved racing on that circuit. Not sure how this work in reality.

[RuttyUttepe]

Why would teams, if they break away, be forced to still be under the FIA?

Is there some legal requirement for them to be under their control?

Yes there certainly is I'm afraid

[Fiesialenp]

I do think the way things are going prototypes are going to be the racing of the future - you have technical variety in terms of both chassis and engines, multiple tyre manufacturers involved, racing on tracks with character, with manufacturers, specialist constructors and privateers running off the shelf equipment competing side by side. Now if only these aspects could be combined with a single-driver, two-hour format...

But it needs a single world championship.

[onelovemp]

I think not much will happen...

The FIA will have to reconsider this set of stupid rules, and after some negotiating, everything will be on track (trumpet fanfare, please) again.

Spot on. I mean seriously, we all know that Ferrari is not going to leave nor are the other teams except for reasons that have nothing to do with the proposed 2010 regulations.

[Ccddfergt]

Sorry Guys but for some reasons the original thread has disappeared, so please let's continue here. Sorry again for the incovenience

Cyber woodpeckers like to leaves holes too.

[RogHammon]

The problem is other big teams are also threatening to pull out. It could get to a stage where Force India's and the safety car will be the only cars on the track.

Yeah, but Force India would be guaranteed of 2nd and 3rd at every race!

[RogHammon]

Of the two objections the budget cap is the easiest to overcome. My suggestions from t'other lost thread were that the cap be phased in, say £200M next year, £120M for 2011, £80M for 2012, then finally Max's proposed target of £40M in 2013. Of course the flaw is that would do little to encourage new teams to enter in the short term.

Whatever, it's vital for the health of F1 that there is never ever ever a two-tier system. I've seen it in touring cars and it's clumsy and ugly, raising suspicions that the governing body is artificially "fixing" race outcomes by giving too little or too much dispensation to one or the other spec cars. There are enough conspiracy theories in F1 as it is, thank you.

That's pretty much what FOTA are saying. They have already put the plan forward, but the Petty Tyrant Max has ignored them.