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Old 03-15-2012, 06:58 PM   #1
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A little late to the party here, but I just want to state my absolute love for this perfect song (studio version). It used to be my number one Tori song, until it was replaced at some point by iieee.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:55 PM   #2
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This is one of my fave songs by anyone, ever.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:48 PM   #3
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One of my favorite songs. I love the production on this track. It is perfect in every way. My favorite part of the song is the piano during the "Where are the velvets" part. This song will never grow old for me.
I agree. I didn't really appreciate what was going on with the piano until I saw the sheet music for it. It's so beautiful and unusual, and when you take the melody away it's really its own thing altogether.

Her voice is so killer in the whole thing, too. Definitely one of my top ten.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:33 PM   #4
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Very late to the party myself, but I love "Hotel" and i wanted to chime in. It's funny that people are discussing the live version of the song. It didn't debut until a few months into the tour, and before it did, Tori was said to have said at a M&G that she didn't think she and the band would ever be able to play it because it was too hard.

Some of the 1998 renditions were nice, and I liked the way it would go into Code Red in 2007, but I'll always love the studio version best. I think my favorite thing about this song is how many different "parts" it has, including the ending, which is totally unexpected. I think this is a song that lyrically is taking on a lot, and to me it's a snapshot of all the relationship issues she was writing about. It's not a complete picture of any of those situations, but it sketches out a lot of really interesting ideas.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:54 PM   #5
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Default SOTW: Hotel
This song is a journey from start to finish, through a hotel beneath ground, beneath sight. Deep inside, where the ghost, or ghosts, of past love roam. You know when it starts, that you need to go through this song, the process of "learning to let" that person "crash down." But it's not as easy as it seems. "Where are the velvets? When you've coming down."

“I think as you’re getting married, all the loves, even 10-minute loves, are popping up. Hotel was really like feeling like an agent - a spy - in that he was the greatest guy at one time and they were giving me time behind enemy lines. Even though she knows they can’t be lovers because it’s a whole other life, she just can’t let him go.” --Tori Amos

I used to write in this tower when I was an undergrad. The tower was shaped like a big T, so you could actually hear the wind howling around the corner of the building, before it swept past your window. One night, I knew that I had to go through this song and write a poem about the experience. So, I opened all the windows of the room I was in, turned off all the lights, put my headphones on, opened the main window, and sat in the moonlight with my pen and paper ready.

I'll never forget that night. The wind was howling around the corner of the building, I could hear it coming. Just as I pressed play, the music from "Hotel" swirled in my ears and the cold wind rushed around me, making me numb with feeling. The song was the backdrop of an epiphany for me that night and I reached a new level of understanding that I didn't have before. I wrote a poem about love and independence and found many realizations that night, and of course, many since.

"Give me More" the line is piercing, especially with the music swirling around it.

Hotel and Jackie's Strength
In "Hotel" and "Jackie's Strength" she is singing the same line, but the contrast lies in who she is singing the line to. In "Jackie's Strength" she wants a man to give her *everything*, the man she is going to marry, the man walking towards her.

In "Hotel" she wants "more" from the man who is leaving, a man who is turning into a ghost, a man walking away from her.

The Ghost in "Hotel"
There is always one ghost of a past love that stands out from the others in your life. When I hear this song, I see that ghost as the center. But sometimes, other ghosts of past loves sweep through. You know you "want more", but you also know that you have "to learn" to let that person crash down. You have to learn to let it go. Let the love go.

From the Choirgirl Hotel
From the Choirgirl Hotel, as an album title, always seemed to indicate that Tori was a metaphorical "hotel" for her songs, her choirgirls. In "Hotel" she met him in a hotel "beneath ground," a hidden place inside, a place that is like a hotel because they can leave, or *you* can. Memories shelved for later.

Letting you crash down
And as you're letting go, you realize that this person may just be "the biggest thing there'll be this year." Maybe what you're seeking isn't here. The kiss was the moment, a moment of pure contact, but you also met them in a "guess world." Just as the love was blooming, you weren't sure if it was really there. Your life plan wasn't prepared. "Guessed anyone but you."

The music that opens the second section of "give me more" sends chills up my spine every time. My parents, who despise Tori, heard this part pour out of our car's speakers from a mix tape that I had made and stopped talking. And we all just sat and listened.

But "where are the velvets" when you're coming down? Why can't it be easy? The letting go? Why can't it be smooth?

Still Alive
But you get out, you leave the feeling --and you get out alive. At the end of the song, I always picture a breathtaking getaway, either your heart sweeping out of a dark wood, or a car tearing out of an unmapped part of the city onto the freeway. You breathe with relief and realize that you're still alive. Your body is instinctually breathing, life still has possibility. There is a path in front of you, not just behind you. And you realize that the future does exist and you can find hope and love in it.

A live version that is fantastic. Piano notes before the "Give me More" parts, and soaring with feeling and strength.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:22 PM   #6
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This song encapsulates everything that is unique about Tori. I can't think of anything similar that came before it, and blessed little like it afterwards.

She was really making the production work for her in the late 90's, huh?
I've not heard a live version that rivals the studio cut, other than perhaps the 2005 solo performance - but that's a different beast altogether.



edit - Does anyone else remember something about Hotel and Jackie both starting off as the same song, before splitting up? Any idea where that info came from...?
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Old 06-03-2012, 08:39 PM   #7
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I think Tori said JS and Hotel were part of a trilogy - can't remember what the third song was. Hotel is in my top 3 songs, I'm intrigued to hear other peoples' interpretations! I'll post my own later.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:29 PM   #8
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I think it's definitely a studio strong song. Not that there hasn't been good live performances, but what tour was it that she tried playing Hotel several shows in a row and just kept fucking it up?

I love Hotel. There's so much going on and it's one of those songs that kind of keeps me on the edge of my seat like a good thriller. It does seem like a few different compositions melded into one, but it works beautifully from the first note to the last. I especially love how the song shifts from such a dramatic sense of urgency to such a soothing calm. Definitely one of my favorites from Choirgirl.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:33 PM   #9
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Ooh - really want to write on this later. In the meantime, I think what she said was that the verse of Jackie started off in Hotel - and they both visit the same themes from very different perspectives; fear of getting married, or apprehension. If hotel is her going to a Hotel to revisit her past loves in all the rooms before she says goodbye, the 'make me laugh' verse could easily come from conversations with ex lovers about learning from past relationships.

Also, that last little note at the end, it's just like "Yeah, I just did that." It reminds me of the last little note at the end of Rufus' Old WHore's Diet. Ending a really incredible complex number with a little ironic note is uber cunty.
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:20 PM   #10
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I think it's definitely a studio strong song. Not that there hasn't been good live performances, but what tour was it that she tried playing Hotel several shows in a row and just kept fucking it up?
Yeah, I fully agree with that. The studio version is perfection. As to the double fuck-up, I guess it was on the two Chicago nights in 2007, wasn't it?
I wish she'd do Hotel more solo, it was totally unexpected the one time she did it in 2005.
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:27 PM   #11
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What an incredible song, definitely one of her best moments ever. I still remember the first time hearing Choirgirl, it was playing in the background in a party and I didn't even recognize it as Tori until I got closer to the boombox and paid attention. I remember thinking that this would be a record that defined that place and time, and each song really was like a room in a hotel, similar decor but different people inside. Hotel came on and that was it for me. This was the EPIC track on the album, and she really hasn't done anything on this level since.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:36 PM   #12
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"Hotel" is definitely in my top ten Tori songs. It's such an epic song, and perfect in every single way. I don't believe Jackie's Strength and Hotel were part of a trilogy. But they were one song at one point and then divided into two songs later. The crashing down bit always makes me think of one of my friends that I lost to meth.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:18 AM   #13
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The only live versions, besides the solo take, that really soar are those awesome 2002 performances where she and Matty just nail it.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:27 AM   #14
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One of my favorite songs. I love the production on this track. It is perfect in every way. My favorite part of the song is the piano during the "Where are the velvets" part. This song will never grow old for me.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:46 AM   #15
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this song is perfection for me .... it has everything i want in a song..... i will never get bored of it EVER !!! fact! i love singing along to it ....and i love how she sings "guess that what i'm seeking isn't here" ....
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:43 AM   #16
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First post updated with interpretation and a fantastic live version I just heard recently. More to come. Love reading your thoughts and feelings on this song.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:26 AM   #17
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Even though I was over the boy that was my Jupiter, this song reminded me of him and then my bf who broke up with me. They both were with the wrong girls. Really, really, really wrong for them. And I just had to let them crash. Which, of course, they did. Divorce for one, nasty break-up for the other without a "told you so" from me.

Love this song.
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:54 PM   #18
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I love the song and the structure of it. The album version does sound a bit thin in places where it should rumble and bathe in the low end.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:05 PM   #19
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this will get me slaughtered, but i don't think this song has aged well. The production is a bit tinny also, especially during the "give me..." parts.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:14 PM   #20
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Hotel and Yes Anastasia have become solid [cliche incoming] 'song sisters' [/I warned you] for me. YA is a bright, open aired express ride into unknown country filled with ultimately misplaced optimism, while Hotel is a dark underground exploration of other territory filled with regret, with the electronica performing an equivalent role to Anastasia's orchestra. And they both demand to be played very very loudly.

Rhythm shifts! Bridges upon bridges upon bridges! Those were the days.
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