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Old 08-30-2012, 04:28 AM   #1
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Default How do I "Unregister: a vehicle?
I bought a vehicle used, and I have the title signed over to me. I don't want to register it again. I would like to "unregister" it.

Is this possible?

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Old 08-30-2012, 04:31 AM   #2
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One option in CA is to state it is being stored. Not sure what status that produces.
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Old 08-30-2012, 04:36 AM   #3
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One option in CA is to state it is being stored. Not sure what status that produces.
You still have to pay a non op fee to the state, even if it's stored on "private property".
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Old 08-30-2012, 04:45 AM   #4
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You should put it into your name to complete the transfer of title. But then you admit to being a ward of the state. Just sayin... Palini should absolve you of all your sins. Lets not do anything until we hear from him.
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:15 AM   #5
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Augustus Blackstone tells you about this in his Errant Sovereign's Handbook:

http://1215.org/lawnotes/sovereignty...n-handbook.pdf

He talks about not registering your car in Ch. 14 on P. 85. Read that chapter. All I can remember from it is that if you buy a new car, make it a condition of the sale that the dealer provide you with the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin. If you have that, you do not have to register it--which means giving that to the State, and they give you a 'Title' which effectively makes them the Legal owner, and you the 'Equitable' owner. The state owns the vehicle, but you have usufruct. You get to use it. Uncle Gus explains that pretty well. You might want to read the whole book because it will give you some other ideas which are pretty good.


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Old 08-30-2012, 05:23 AM   #6
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No Dealer is going to give up that CoO.

They wont sell you the car............you will have some interesting @$$ conversation with the sales rep but if you think hes going to provide you with that paper work you are dreaming.

And if by chance you some how obtain said CoO good luck educating a cop why you dont have plates and why your vehicle vin is not showing up when he ran it when you drove past the spot check. Are you really willing to deal with the nonsense every time you get behind the wheel?

They make it a stressfull and mega PITA thats why the majority of these people who sell these books know that is nothing more then conjecture at best because Jhon and Jane Q are not gonna try it.
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:37 AM   #7
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I'd caution against applying any of this 'sovereign' baloney unless one would prefer to lose the automobile.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:59 AM   #8
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In Sweden a vehicle gets unregistered when it is taken to the junk yard, I guess you could take it to the junkyard, do that, and buy the car back as parts from the junk yard...
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:04 AM   #9
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Here's something that I happened to be looking at when I read your post.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:58 AM   #10
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Some thoughts:

First, gold was abolished in 1933 as money. Unless you built it yourself you have no way to own it.

Getting a manufacturers certificate of origin ... tell the dealer you are moving to Canada and will register it there. Will work for a new car but doubt if you will find a COO for a previously titled car.

Don't want to mess with it in your name? Form an LLC and buy it in THEIR name. These corporations act as a dividing line between your assets and the LLC assets. This just means you are not the registered owner but may lease it from them (you can't own it anyway because money has been outlawed).

You can build it yourself and issue your own COO. If you choose to do this then the state might take exception to your not meeting emission standards or labor laws or some other nonsense (they show you their displeasure by putting the screws to you).

One person I know bought his car with silver, did not register it and it was stolen while legally parked in a city. He never got it back (cops from the municipality stole it).

Don't want to register it with the state? Register it elsewhere. Use a DOT form and file for a DOT number. Use the number they give you as a license plate. (Indications are this window is closing soon). There is currently a PRIVATE USE box that can be checked.

Become a mailman. Nobody messes with the U.S. mail.

Don't gamble with anything you cannot afford to lose. You might fly under the radar with a license plate. Without one your chances of having intimate personal conversations with legal enforcement people becomes far greater.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:00 PM   #11
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You can get an owner assembled motor-trike. They provide you with a MSO
However if you've bought a scooter through our website you'll have some work to do. In most of the states you'll need a manufacturer's statement of origin (MSO), which the dealer should provide. This is a certificate from the scooter manufacturer which has the make, model and VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) on it and is proof that the scooter meets all applicable DOT and EPA standards for registration in the USA, and in particular for the state you are trying to register it in. You also need proof of insurance, the dealer invoice and a valid driver's license. Then you simply drive to your local DMV office, wait in line for 20 minutes, get the forms, fill them out, wait in line for another 30 minutes and if all your documents are in order you get a title and your motorcycle plates (moped plates if your scooter is under 50cc).

Then you have to take your scooter to an inspection station along with a yellow card which the DMV office provided, proof of insurance and a valid drivers license (with motorcycle endorsement if the scooter is over 50cc) and the inspection station will give you an inspection sticker good for 4 years. They may also check that your helmet meets local requirements (DOT certification etc).

It is very simple to title and register your new moped, scooter or motorcycle. When buying a scooter online, you should expect to receive the following documents:

* A Certificate of Origin (MCO), a.k.a. MSO (Manufacturer Statement of Origin.)
* A Bill of Sale.

The certificate of origin is an official title document that releases the scooter from the importer to the dealer. The dealer released the scooter to you. All documents for every street legal vehicle are usually sent in the mail 2 to 4 days after the scooter is shipped. Please note, we do not mail your MSO and Bill of Sales alone with your scooter, there is a possibility of receiving your registration information before you even receive your vehicle, since the trucking company usually has longer transit time frame compares to first class mail service. We request each customer to confirm your VIN by email if you don't receive your registration documentations 7 business days after receiving your street legal scooter or motorcycle. To confirm: simply send an email to mso@scooterdepot.us include your order number and VIN in the subject or the body. We will have one of our professional title representatives to process your title request immediately. MSO request generally requires 3-5 business days to process, and it is FREE of charge!

Vehicle Identification Number is usually located on the front of the steering stem or at the bottom of the floor mat, where you would place your foot. The VIN number consists of a 17 digit alpha numeric number, and usually has the engine number located on the same plate. The plated steel mount can be either black or steel.

Each MSO Title certificate will be accompanied by a Bill of Sale and Invoice for registration purposes. If your state requires your MSO to be notarized, please indicate on your MSO request form. There is a $25.00 fee for each notary. We offer overnight service for an additional $55.00. Please note: overnight service only guarantees we mail your documents via overnight service. We do not guarantee your MSO will be prepared and processed overnight. There is $20.00 fee for each replacement MSO.

Once you receive these documents, you need to take them with your scooter or motorcycle to your local DMV (Department of Motor Vehicle). They will inspect the bike and compare the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) on the paperwork to the one on the scooter. They will inspect the vehicle as well.

Your DMV will collect the sales tax as well as any applicable registration fee and will issue a license plate for your vehicle.
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Old 08-31-2012, 01:18 AM   #12
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Publico, put the description you posted above into this context:


From The Errant Sovereign's Handbook

The vehicle license plate is pretty convincing evidence to most anyone that the contraption under observation is a state utility. The state has the authority to and does require that all of its mobile utilities be operated by licensed drivers. What's that you say? "That automobile belongs to me, not the state." That isn't what the evidence shows. Can you produce the actual title to the proprety to prove that it belongs to you? The "Certificate of Title" which the state issued to you is not the actual title. It merely certifies that the title may have been in your name at one time, but it also is undeniable proof that you voluntarily transferred actual possession of the title over to the state. It can't be certified unless you do. Want to know what the state does with the actual titles when they get them? They are either destroyed, voided on their face, or used as a form of collateral on state debts. Do I have to explain what all that means? Does the word coversion ring any bells?

That is why the state regards the use of an automobile a political privilege. It is a privilege to use property which the evidence shows belongs to the state. The state may impose whatever conditions or restrictions it chooses on the use of its property. The statutes do not, and lawfully cannot require you to turn over to the state the actual title to your property. The statutes only so require if you elect to voluntarily license the property. Do you need a license to use your home? Do you need a license to use your hair dryer or your golf clubs. Since some automobles are now selling for as much as a small house, why would any sensible man or woman want to gift the state with the actual title to their property? Would you care to voluntarily gift the state with the title to your home? The police are there to supervise and regulate the proper use of mobile utilities belonging to the state, not the sovereign and responsible use of Private property.

If you went into partnership with a lending institution to buy the automobile, there's not a whole lot you can do to prevent the title from being sent to the state. That is because lending institutions are political statute controlled fictions that are required to turn over the actual title to the state, license it, get insurance on it, etc. For those of you who don't know, the actual original title to an automobile is the Manufacturere's Certificate of Origin (MCO) If you pay cash for an automoble, you have the right to demand that the MCO be given to you. As for used automobile purchases; some locales recognize the Bill of Sale as a new title but other locales do not. It is best to assume the latter in most cases. The statutes don't require you to turn your car over to the state. You do that VOLUNTARILY. You just don't know it. The state can't tell you what to do with your own property. You do not need a license to use your own property. You don't need to put plates on it. And if you don't drive your car for pay, you don't need a driver's license.

You should read that whole book by Augustus Blackstone--The Errant Sovereign's Handbook. He tells you how the state tricks you (using your need to conform and obey) into volunteering to be their slave. If a cop stops you, and asks for drivers license, registration, and proof of insurance--you might show him a certified copy of your MCO, and proof of insurance, and tell him you're not driving for hire. At that point, there is nothing he can do to you. If he gives you a wad of tickets, they will be thrown out in court. Uncle Gus advises you get 'Plates' for your car that do not call attention to your mastery of the law. He suggests plates that say 'Private Property'. You can come up with non-descript content for your own plates.

I say rather than refraining from doing this yourself, let people know this scam that the states pull off on them. Most of them are sheeple and won't believe you, and will tell you you're crazy. It will be their loss--not yours.

Next new car I buy, I'm paying cash and getting the MCO.


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Old 08-31-2012, 01:55 AM   #13
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No Dealer is going to give up that CoO.

Wrong. I've got one, and got it 11 years and 10 months ago. Still have it and the automobile it represents is on the road frequently.

The trick to getting the MSO is to convince the new car dealership management that you are in fact 'from out of state'. They are prohibited to handing over the MSO to a 'resident' of the state they are located however they have zero issue with handing the MSO over to someone (provided it's a cash sale and not being financed) they have determined absolutely, positively for sure is 'from out of state'.
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Old 08-31-2012, 02:02 AM   #14
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which means giving that to the State, and they give you a 'Title' The state will NEVER, EVER issue ANYONE a 'title' for their 'motor vehicle'. The document the state does issue states at the top 'CERTIFICATE OF TITLE' (yes, it's in all caps on the document itself, the intention of which is to make that a 'conspicuous term or clause' under the UCC). A 'certificate' is nothing more than a document which 'certifies' something exists, however a 'certificate' of a document is not the document itself. It's like this, the CERTIFICATE OF TITLE states that 'title' exists, however this particular document (the CERTIFICATE OF TITLE) is NOT it! If the state issued documents which were in fact 'title' documents, then at the very top of the document it would simply state 'TITLE'.
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:37 PM   #15
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Here are some interesting posts on 'How to get your MCO/MSO'

http://boardreader.com/thread/How_to...7oieX14vj.html


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Old 08-31-2012, 10:41 PM   #16
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In Sweden a vehicle gets unregistered when it is taken to the junk yard, I guess you could take it to the junkyard, do that, and buy the car back as parts from the junk yard...
makes me wonder if there might be some benefit to un-registering a person.

given how untrustworthy & murderous the US gov. is, what benefit is there - for us - for them to have information about any of us ?
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:50 PM   #17
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makes me wonder if there might be some benefit to un-registering a person.
A person is
1) a word
2) an action
3) representation

The application for anything is an action that creates a person. The ONLY one who can enter such a document into evidence is he/she who signed the document. In the case of a document with only YOUR signature then if the judge happens to wave it in your face and ask if this is your signature you just tell 'em "your honor, I would be happy to discuss the document in question as soon as it has been entered into evidence" and rest comfortable in the knowledge that YOU are the only one who can enter it into evidence.

There are two types of hearings ... argument and evidence. Evidence hearings are extremely rare. I have no license to engage in argument so I tend to stay away from the other type.
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