[BariGrootrego]

cbs? why not fox news?

[feseEscaple]

Erm, what are you talking about? I mean that IMHO this is a crappy wannabe-scandal you're (and CBS is) trying to blow out of proportion by spinmeißtering

[investmentonlinev2006x]

Beautiful selective reading there.

[FreeDownloadOEMsoftware]

"Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me," said health protestor Yuichi Tamamo. "For the last five years we've been saying air quality here has been horrible." he should visit Athens and taste the air...

[HaremShaih]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Beautiful selective reading there. Your post starts with "Bwahahahaha!" and ends with a " ", in response to a story which suggests that thousands of people may have been exposed to deadly toxins. No concern shown for the victims, merely vengeance and political advantage sought. Is it any wonder I think you are an a$$hole?

[varrozans]

Twits. By all means the situation should have been allowed to fester and no cleanup done whatsoever because oooh my freakin lord there might be some smoke that might make it hard to breathe. Wimps the lot of them.

By that logic the entire island should have been evacuated to south carolina as they live to near the toxic NJ refinery area of Elizabeth and Newark.

[Queueftof]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
What timing. They uncovered this info almost 5 years to the day. Ok. Actually, it was strongly suspected that there was malfeasance regarding the health and safety of rescuers and workers at ground zero very early after the towers collapsed, but there was precious little evidence to nail anyone more specific on. Now it seems we have much stronger evidence and might finally give a number of officials what's coming to them: Orange jumpsuits and a long time to think about all the people whose lives and health they've irrevocably changed for the worse.

[Prealiitellg]

Sikander and DRoseDARs

Would you two just chill...

[violalmina]

I am very sympathetic to the city gov't getting people back in the area as soon as possible. This news report is written in an apalling tone.

You have to live. What are they going to do? Evacuate to South Carolina? (Thanks Ogie.)

[alenbarbaf]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Twits. By all means the situation should have been allowed to fester and no cleanup done whatsoever because oooh my freakin lord there might be some smoke that might make it hard to breathe. Wimps the lot of them. You must have a nice, white-color job that never puts you in contact with hazardous materials. What should have been done was to make sure workers had proper respirators, environmental suits if needed, and that adequeate dust control, washdown, and containment procedures were in place as needed for each specific site. In other words, safety and sound construction, demolition and hazmat containment practices should have dictated the pace, not property owner's greed.

[AXGreg]

Originally posted by DanS
I am very sympathetic to the city gov't getting people back in the area as soon as possible. This news report is written in an apalling tone.

You have to live. What are they going to do? Evacuate to South Carolina? (Thanks Ogie.) Absolutely - sugar coat the risks, take shortcuts on the proper cleanup procedures, and get the serfs back into production. If a few thousand get seriously ill and many of those die prematurely, it's no big deal - there's a war on. How would you rationalize it if your kid was now chronically sick, or if you or your spouse was a construction/demolition worker now unable to work due to chronic respiratory conditions? Ahh, but they're expendible blue collar types, and it's the economy as an abstract entity that matters.

All the grist the mill requires, eh?

[VtLe67WR]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Absolutely - sugar coat the risks, take shortcuts on the proper cleanup procedures, and get the serfs back into production. If a few thousand get seriously ill and many of those die prematurely, it's no big deal - there's a war on. How would you rationalize it if your kid was now chronically sick, or if you or your spouse was a construction/demolition worker now unable to work due to chronic respiratory conditions? Ahh, but they're expendible blue collar types, and it's the economy as an abstract entity that matters.

All the grist the mill requires, eh? At least in the quote in the OP, the discussion is about opening up building that were not directly damaged, for use by white collar workers, including professionals, NOT about the proper procedures for the clean up of ground zero itself.

Now i dont know if mistakes were made, or laws broken, but I dont think this is another bourgeois vs blue collars thing.

[greekbeast]

There was a lot at stake beyond that, even from the city's and property owner's perspective.

[spacecrafty]

Keep people out of the area, and you don't just put a dent in corporate America. What about "the little guy" that runs the deli? The dry cleaner? On and on.

Again, all on a handful of maybe's.

[Creva4k]

Originally posted by DanS
There was a lot at stake beyond that, even from the city's and property owner's perspective. How many lives (dead or disabled) was it worth?

There's always "a lot at stake" - but aren't you a big fan of globalization, and how it's good for us to be exporting jobs to India?

[Rugda]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


You must have a nice, white-color job that never puts you in contact with hazardous materials. What should have been done was to make sure workers had proper respirators, environmental suits if needed, and that adequeate dust control, washdown, and containment procedures were in place as needed for each specific site. In other words, safety and sound construction, demolition and hazmat containment practices should have dictated the pace, not property owner's greed. Actually on the floor most every day in a chemical plant and have done more than my fair share of vessel entry, haz material response including donning the level A hazmat suits. Likewise I have had the dubious distinction of incident command for at least 10 years including all requisite yearly training.

Don't lecture me on proper response I have lived it all my professional life.

[Brareevor]

Michael, it's more than economic convenience. I would be willing to bet that had the question been posed of businesses in the area, "Close down for an undetermined time or take the chance", they might have shut down for...2 days. Their financial obgligations don't just go On Hold. And it's not them. It's the same ripple effect of sending manufacturing overseas, or whatever. It doesn't end. One business impacts others.

The simple fact is, the pooch was going to be screwed, no matter which position. I don't think anyone thought that towers collapsing was it, The End. If they did they were foolish.

[ValdisSeroff]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Don't lecture me on proper response I have lived it all my professional life.
This part of your post: "there might be some smoke that might make it hard to breathe. Wimps the lot of them..." doesn't exactly convey that.

[Cwvnyfsj]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Michael, it's more than economic convenience. I would be willing to bet that had the question been posed of businesses in the area, "Close down for an undetermined time or take the chance", they might have shut down for...2 days. Their financial obgligations don't just go On Hold. And it's not them. It's the same ripple effect of sending manufacturing overseas, or whatever. It doesn't end. One business impacts others. If they were going to do that anyway, then why sugarcoat and conceal the risks? Wrt their financial obligations, etc., that's what Federal disaster relief money is for, what business interruption insurance is for, and worst case, what bankruptcy is for. You take a "routine" fire of a commercial site that involves toxic materials, and neighboring businesses are shut down for a period of time, or permanently, on a regular basis. Buildings are condemned by fire inspectors, etc., all over the country all the time. The economic impacts on tenants, residents and workers is not generally a factor.

The simple fact is, the pooch was going to be screwed, no matter which position. I don't think anyone thought that towers collapsing was it, The End. If they did they were foolish. Nice way of evading the point. If the health, fire, environmental and executive government authorities took shortcuts and then misrepresented the risk, that's no quite the same as someone naively thinking that "the towers collapsing was it, The End."

But hey, there's a war on, with somebody, right? More grist for the mill, and they should have expected it.

[JessePex]

I'm saying, I don't think it was known, for sure. I have a hard time believing Bush and and "America's Mayor" knew all and went there repeadedly, just in order to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

Anything said today, should have been said 5 years ago.