[SeelaypeKet]

hollow points are illegal, as are teflon coated bullets.

[DenisLevvin]

[HugoSimon]

Hollow points are not illegal.


http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0012630214282a.shtml

[CreativeAcrobate]

I think 10 round clips are grandfathered in.

[thakitt]

You guys are scary :

[Nopayof]

Originally posted by BlackCat


No offense, but why do you consider it right to use such against civilians when it's considered inhumane to use such in war ?
You asked and I shall give my version having completed Federal Duty as a Law Man:

Here is the deal with being a Police Officer that not a lot of people appreciate, not a lot of people know what it is like, you are handcuffed and saddled with so many restraints but still expected to handle any suspect, drunk,drugged or crazed. You have to use enough force to stop them but not enough force to do excessive harm.

"Use of Deadly Force" or departmental shooting policies state in most department as authorized when confronted with deadly force or to save the life of another human being.

The Hollow Point is "supposed to" spread on impact, thus slowing "In Theory" to be contained within the body that you shoot.

I have had 4 weapons in my face over my career and it is scary as Hell, including a small .25 automatic.

I am not sure why it is considered "Inhumane" unless larger caliber HP's do such horrendous damage to the muscle and tissue?

As for "Humane" the use of Deadly Force is to help protect others from this persons harm. Most departments have very strick and stringent guidelines as to when and where to use "Deadly Force"

I am all for "Non-Lethal" weapons, such as the "Stun Gun" my son carries on himself, he is a member of the Onslow County Sherriff's Department as well as SWAT. He also carries a .45 caliber sidearm and a UMP .45 Machine gun and a 12 Gauge shotgun. He has been through much training. I think Law Officers need to exhaust all avenues, but when aa suspect, after being ordered to lie prone and extend arms out straight, reaches for something in his car, the law Officer has to make a split second decision what to do, is that a weapon or not and if so, was the suspect going to shoot anyone or not?

Tough being a Lawman, but sometimes a Lawman has to do the dreaded duty of stopping someone, even unto taking his life.


The HP is, in my opinion, a better option for stopping a suspect cold in their tracks, should the use of Deadly Force be required.

Grandpa Troll

USARMY Military Police
Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs

[gypearteday]

Originally posted by BlackCat


That is one ludicrous theory. What if the shot doesn't hit the villain ? Oups, sorry, didn't intent to kill the innocent bystander, but the bad guy is to blame - he ducked just as I fired. HP ammo are much more dangerous to innocents and are more likely to inflict collateral damage.

Police weapons isn't supposed to kill but disable. Sorry, but you are wrong. A gun is considered deadly force, not a disabling force. We are not trained to wound.

OTOH, not using HP in war is actually beneficial in war. Take the M-16 design for instance. The M-16 is not designed to kill, but to wound (thus the small calibur of bullet). The thought of this is that a wounded soldier takes 3 enemy combatants out of the fight. One is the wounded soldier and the two that it takes to carry him off the battlefield. The small calibur passing through someone to hit a second target is something that I never thought about and is another way that the M-16 is an effective weapon in war.

[br`lorance]

Except that the M16 produces a tumbling type of trajectory. It's not a sniper weapon, but in a fire fight a shoulder hit may take off an arm.

[texbrease]

Yeah... maybe that's why I never though about the "exit strategy".

[expabsPapsgag]

Hollowpoints per Wikipedia:
Legality

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use in warfare of bullets which easily expand or flatten in the body. This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of The Declaration of St Petersburg in 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, and weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. Despite the ban on military use, hollow point bullets are one of the most common types of civilian and police ammunition, due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation. In many jurisdictions, it is illegal to hunt game with ammunition that does not expand, and some target ranges also forbid full metal jacket ammunition.

[herbalviagra]

Just keep that in mind, Whaleboy, next time you come looking for a fight.

[somamasoso]

Yeah, I think there was some controversy over the Metropolitan Police using these rounds. Compared to the alternative, it sounds fairly common sense - even if they are a little squeamish...

[ServiceColas]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
hollow points are illegal, as are teflon coated bullets. Not in CA.