[YabbaIn]

Apple Introduces Boot Camp.
CUPERTINO, CaliforniaApril 5, 2006Apple today introduced Boot Camp, public beta software that enables Intel-based Macs to run Windows XP. Available as a download beginning today, Boot Camp allows users with a Microsoft Windows XP installation disc to install Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac, and once installation is complete, users can restart their computer to run either Mac OS X or Windows XP. Boot Camp will be a feature in Leopard, Apples next major release of Mac OS X, that will be previewed at Apples Worldwide Developer Conference in August.
Apple has no desire or plan to sell or support Windows, but many customers have expressed their interest to run Windows on Apples superior hardware now that we use Intel processors, said Philip Schiller, Apples senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. We think Boot Camp makes the Mac even more appealing to Windows users considering making the switch.
Boot Camp simplifies Windows installation on an Intel-based Mac by providing a simple graphical step-by-step assistant application to dynamically create a second partition on the hard drive for Windows, to burn a CD with all the necessary Windows drivers, and to install Windows from a Windows XP installation CD. After installation is complete, users can choose to run either Mac OS X or Windows when they restart their computer.
More: http://www.apple.com/pr/librar....html
What the interesting thing is that this 'Boot Camp' jobbie will become a feature of OSX Leopard - effectively meaning that Apple's new OSX will encapsulate the best of both Mac and Windows.
Quite a trick up their sleeve, no?

[9TWSg835]

Quote, originally posted by Top Secret »What the interesting thing is that this 'Boot Camp' jobbie will become a feature of OSX Leopard - effectively meaning that Apple's new OSX will encapsulate the best of both Mac and Windows.
The best of Windows? Don't you mean the worst?
If I had an Intel Mac I'd only use OS X for surfing the internet as some viruses can corrupt data on all partitions. At least you can now play games that you can't get for Mac!

[Oberjej]

Quote, originally posted by MitzXJ220 »The best of Windows? Don't you mean the worst?
If I had an Intel Mac I'd only use OS X for surfing the internet as some viruses can corrupt data on all partitions. At least you can now play games that you can't get for Mac!
Apparently there were also several jabs at MSoft's lack of Windows security and lack of EFI support in XP or Vista. Looks more to me like Apple is just flipping MSoft a giant bird to show how truly far behind MSoft is when it comes to their OS. I like it.

[pimbertiemoft]

Call me when they release software that enables the Mac mouse to grow a right-click button.

[AlexanderDrew]

same here domino..thats one reason when i was on my friends comp that i just couldnt chop..no right click..i know you can get them..but it just feels wierd by then

[Oberjej]

Quote, originally posted by DoMiNo »Call me when they release software that enables the Mac mouse to grow a right-click button.
If you have a two-button mouse it works exactly the same as it does on a Windows PC.

[KLIMOV25gyi]

yeah, I'm not sure about this but think I've even seen some Apple mice with the right-click button. They've undergone evolution

[Imagimifouxum]

Quote, originally posted by DoMiNo »Call me when they release software that enables the Mac mouse to grow a right-click button.
Just in case you didn't know, it's only the laptops that still use the one-button mouse. Desktops (besides the Mac mini) come with Apple's "Mighty Mouse", which has a touch sensor that enables two-button functionality. I'm sure they'll find a way to do something similar for their laptops at some point (probably when Leopard is released).
Besides, plug in any two-button mouse into a Mac (running OSX) and the 2nd button'll work mostly like it does on Windows.
Someone's poor iMac has already crashed, too. The guy was using Boot Camp, not the homebrew bounty-winning hack.

[Oberjej]

Quote, originally posted by butterfly0fdoom »Just in case you didn't know, it's only the laptops that still use the one-button mouse. Desktops (besides the Mac mini) come with Apple's "Mighty Mouse", which has a touch sensor that enables two-button functionality. I'm sure they'll find a way to do something similar for their laptops at some point (probably when Leopard is released).
Besides, plug in any two-button mouse into a Mac (running OSX) and the 2nd button'll work mostly like it does on Windows.
Someone's poor iMac has already crashed, too. The guy was using Boot Camp, not the homebrew bounty-winning hack.

HAhaha. Yep, but notice it crashed in Windows not OSX. If I had a Mac, I'd wait until the software gets its final release, since Apple's most likely still working to make sure that problems like that don't happen.
Its a great strategy for Apple though, because people who like Macs but don't want to lose the universal functionality of Windows will now be able to have the best of both worlds. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple sees a sales bump from this.

[Alupleintilla]

Quote, originally posted by JBlair »HAhaha. Yep, but notice it crashed in Windows not OSX. If I had a Mac, I'd wait until the software gets its final release, since Apple's most likely still working to make sure that problems like that don't happen.
Its a great strategy for Apple though, because people who like Macs but don't want to lose the universal functionality of Windows will now be able to have the best of both worlds. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple sees a sales bump from this.
But since it is running a fully licensed XP OS, wouldn't it be out of Apple's hands to fix such an infamous problem. I'm sure if Apple had a fix from the BSOD, Microsoft would have found one by now... but then again the BSOD is a scripted error notification.
It may seem all new and cool, but Microsoft has had virtual PC out for years (even though it was incredibly slow and buggy), but I trust Apple to build on it.

[Kayacterype]

From today's AP:
Quote, originally posted by THE ASSOCIATED PRESS » Apple Unveils Software to Run Windows XP
SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) -- To broaden its appeal in a Windows-dominated world, Apple Computer Inc. unveiled software Wednesday to help owners of its new Intel-based Macs run not only its own operating system but also Microsoft Corp.'s rival software.
Apple's shares surged as Wall Street bet the move would help Apple grow its current worldwide personal computer market share beyond the current range of 3 percent to 4 percent by attracting more business and home users.
''It makes the Mac the most versatile computer on the market,'' said Tim Bajarin, a tech industry consultant at Creative Strategies.
Apple's new ''Boot Camp'' software, a ''beta'' test version available as a free download, lets computer users with a Windows XP installation disk load it on the Mac. Users could then switch between the two operating systems -- using only one at a time -- by rebooting, a process that could take a few minutes.
Users would have to get their own copy of Windows XP -- the home edition retails for $199.
Apple shares rose nearly 10 percent on the news, raising its market capitalization to $57.04 billion -- an increase of more than $5.1 billion.
Van Baker, analyst at research firm Gartner Inc., said Apple is removing one of the hurdles it faced in its long-standing battle to win over Windows-based converts.
''Consumers who were thinking about Macs but hesitated don't have to worry anymore about not being able to run PC software that didn't run on a Mac,'' Baker said.
When Apple introduced its first computer based on Intel Corp. chips in January, the company said it had no intention of selling or supporting Windows on its machines, though it has not done anything to preclude people from doing it themselves.
Apple said Wednesday that stance remains true, yet the new software will ease Windows installation on Macs. The test software will expire and become unusable after September 2007 but Apple said it will feature Boot Camp in the upcoming Mac OS X version 10.5, code-named ''Leopard.'' Apple said it will preview Leopard in August, but it hasn't yet disclosed a release date or price for the upgrade.
''Apple has no desire or plan to sell or support Windows, but many customers have expressed their interest to run Windows on Apple's superior hardware now that we use Intel processors,'' Philip Schiller, senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, said in a statement.
Indeed, for months, independent hackers have been diligently working on programs to let users of Intel-based Macs switch between the two competing operating systems.
Others, like Chris Miller, an information technology worker at Johns Hopkins University, have been looking forward to a so-called dual-boot technology so he could play PC games on his Mac.
Apple turned to Intel chips, the same ones used to power most PCs that run Windows, after saying its previous suppliers, IBM Corp. and Motorola Corp. spinoff Freescale Semiconductor Inc., couldn't meet Apple's needs for faster, more energy-efficient chips.
But the Intel-based Macs continued to run Apple's own proprietary operating system.
Because Windows is much more dominant, Mac users don't have access to many software programs written only for Windows. The switch to Intel chips lets users load Windows onto a Mac, without the need for emulation software that slows performance. But until Wednesday, the user needed some technical expertise to pull it off.
American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu described the announcement as a ''significant game changer,'' while Forrester Research analyst Ted Schadler called the move ''smart.''
''When they opened the iTunes software for Windows, the market for iPods exploded,'' Schadler said. ''And similarly here, they have a great hardware product, but they've been shut off from businesses and consumers who want to run PC programs, and now they have the software that will allow that.''
Yet as Apple expands its reach to Windows users, it is at risk of becoming a higher-profile target for hackers, and it potentially opens its machines to viruses that have long plagued Windows users.
The bulk of Apple's revenues still stems from its computers, though its popular portable iPod players grew to account for about a third of Apple's record $13.9 billion in sales in its fiscal year 2005.
Apple may be trying to break down some of the barriers between Windows and Mac systems, but it still does not allow the reverse, keeping its proprietary Mac OS software tethered to its own computers. Earlier this year, Apple even sent legal notices to force Web sites to remove links to information on how to hack Mac OS X software so that it runs on non-Apple machines.
Microsoft welcomed the development.
''We're pleased that Apple customers are excited about running (Windows), and that Apple is responding to meet the demand.'' Kevin Kutz, a director in Microsoft's Windows Client Group, said in an e-mailed statement.
Microsoft declined to comment further.
Apple shares gained $6.04, or 9.9 percent, to close at $67.21 on the Nasdaq Stock Market, while Microsoft shares rose 10 cents to $27.74 and shares of Intel rose 18 cents to $19.48.

[Kayacterype]

So since XP is a rather bloated piece of software, does that mean that it will bog down the Mac's hardware - which because of OSX's lesser system demands, tends to be of somewhat lesser performance than those on traditional wintel machines?

[Oberjej]

Quote, originally posted by Santeno »So since XP is a rather bloated piece of software, does that mean that it will bog down the Mac's hardware - which because of OSX's lesser system demands, tends to be of somewhat lesser performance than those on traditional wintel machines?
Actually, there was a review by Walt Mossberg (I think from the NY times, though I am probably wrong) who said that XP ran faster than he's ever seen it run.

[Imagimifouxum]

Quote, originally posted by Santeno »So since XP is a rather bloated piece of software, does that mean that it will bog down the Mac's hardware - which because of OSX's lesser system demands, tends to be of somewhat lesser performance than those on traditional wintel machines?
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_...g=nav
Photoshop ran faster on the iMac in XP mode than comprable computers.

[NickGrass]

i couldve swarn this was going to be an 'april fools joke'

[IdomeoreTew]

So let me get this straight. Apple first releases their Power PC processors and hail them as the best thing ever, one year later the best thing ever is their new processor, which happens to come from Intel. Then they release OSX Tiger, and it was the best thing ever. Then about a year later, they create something to run Windows on Macs. Nice to see they're so desperate for Windows customers that they've degraded themselves into a state of being a hardware manufacturer.

[Imagimifouxum]

Quote, originally posted by Redline »So let me get this straight. Apple first releases their Power PC processors and hail them as the best thing ever, one year later the best thing ever is their new processor, which happens to come from Intel. Then they release OSX Tiger, and it was the best thing ever. Then about a year later, they create something to run Windows on Macs. Nice to see they're so desperate for Windows customers that they've degraded themselves into a state of being a hardware manufacturer.
They will not have degraded themselves into a state of being a hardware manufacturer until they spin-off their software department (like Palm did before they re-merged).
The PowerPCs are great when they came out, but with IBM focusing less on the PowerPC and the develoments in the x86 architecture, Apple isn't exactly lying. A lot can happen in one year.
Besides, they're dissing Windows. Have you clicked the link?

[Oberjej]

Quote, originally posted by Redline »So let me get this straight. Apple first releases their Power PC processors and hail them as the best thing ever, one year later the best thing ever is their new processor, which happens to come from Intel. Then they release OSX Tiger, and it was the best thing ever. Then about a year later, they create something to run Windows on Macs. Nice to see they're so desperate for Windows customers that they've degraded themselves into a state of being a hardware manufacturer.
They're just doing what A LOT of Mac owners wanted. They'll never become a hardware manufacturer like you say.


Modified by JBlair at 9:35 PM 4/6/2006

[esconsise]

Quote, originally posted by JBlair »Actually, there was a review by Walt Mossberg (I think from the NY times, though I am probably wrong) who said that XP ran faster than he's ever seen it run.
Windows can run faster but depends on how much extras you want Windows to run. ActiveX controls aren't needed but Windows loads them regardless thus slowing it down. Get rid of the fat and it will become faster. Another thing is compressing files. I wonder how Mac will do it with two paritions.
After trying to understand how two different systems can actually work under the same board, I think Mac won't run things like DirectX wich gobs in processor power. It will instead convert the stream being Mac based. Apple of course are multi-media kings.

[boffincash]

Amazing idea, and one that i think will help the sales of Macs. No more compadability issues