[IntinyBut]

I don't think you need to self-censor "****ers". Besides, intolerance of the "other" is a deeply ingrained human trait, unlikely to diminish anytime soon (certainly not in our lifetimes.) The best we can hope for is that people learn to be civil enough to keep their disgust to themselves, even though that runs counter to people's right to self-expression.

Still, f*ck Estonia.

Edit: Son of a gun, I guess you *do* need to self-censor "****ers".

[SpecialOFFER]

Unfortunate.

-Arrian

[Kayakeenemeds]

Bah, he needs to grow thicker skin.

[shanice]

Originally posted by Hueij
I don't give an effing **** about if he would function in Saudi-Arabia or if there are skins all over the world. He is our official representative over there and I don't like how the Estonians (and our Foreign Office BTW) play it down.

If they can't handle it they should have said so when he was send there. It wasn't the authorities, it was simply street-rabble... They probably don't know which ambassadors are appointed from all the countries over the world with an embassy in Tallinn

[egexgfczc]

What a **** diplomat.

[Ecurrexchangess]

Originally posted by DanS


I do care. Did the Foreign Office play down the challenges in working there and thereby set your diplomat up to fail?

A diplomat has to be able to live in Rome and do as the Romans do, after all. That's his job. It's a good question. I suspect the Dutch Foreign Office simply didn't know. The Netherlands is a small country and Estionia's a small country, so the Dutch mission to Estonia is probably tiny. What's the likelihood that the Dutch mission had prior knowledge of how a gay black man would be treated on the streets of Tallin? Little-to-none, I'd imagine.

In this sense the analogy to Saudi Arabia doesn't really apply, because the Saudi's disdain for homosexuality is enshrined in law.

[Abedgebeefs]

The skinheads were most likely oppressed rooskies.

[Theateetetuig]

Originally posted by Saras
The skinheads were most likely oppressed rooskies. It is usual that most of the people who indulge in street-violence come from oppressed/alienated parts of the population, yes.

[bug_user]

Don't these f****** people know its the 21st century already? I almost wish the USSR didn't collapse. And to know we let those w****** join the EU Oh look, it's the latest "let's generalize an entire race based on the actions of a single invididual" -thread! In the civilized world, this is exactly what is called racism: hatred against a single race based on racial prejudice and stereotypes. Not so in Soviet Europe, where people can be racist only against black people, as Die Thoughtpolizei and it's official lexicons clearly say.

"A single person of x nationality was a bigot, **** ALL THEM THEY ARE ALL BIGOTS; a single person of y nationality raped someone, **** ALL THEM THEY ARE ALL PERVERT RAPISTS". By god, if you wouldn't be from the Netherlands, the heart of old Europe, I'd presume you were trolling.

Still, f*ck Estonia. No, f*ck you.

[voodoosdv]

Originally posted by Saras
Or are uncultured barbarians from the east As far as the East goes, Estonia is dead-centre into it

[marketheal]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Seriously, are all EU diplomats whiny *****es or just this particular one? Dutch diplomat.

He was the ambassador of the Netherlands, not of the EU.

Besides, Europe is a pretty big place, with quite a bit of diversity. I don't see how anybody could know a generic trait among all EU diplomats (maybe except for the fact that they are likely to be all humans)

[Centurnion]

Originally posted by Spiffor

As far as the East goes, Estonia is dead-centre into it if I remember correctly its ouest

[spounnypneups]

hehe not a huge surprise there...so its just est? as in is in latin?

[velichay]

Originally posted by laurentius
hehe not a huge surprise there...so its just est? as in is in latin? Yup. And as in "is" in French as well.

[THOUTHCAW]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Last I checked, the Netherlands were in the EU. Last I checked, diplomacy was something in the hands of the member-States, not the EU's.

[hereiamguy]

yeah its just as correct as to call a Venezuelan one a 'Western diplomat' or 'American diplomat'

[Bromikka]

Originally posted by laurentius
yeah its as correct as to call a Venezuelan one a 'Western diplomat' or 'American diplomat' That was the comparison I first thought of

[Automobill]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
The EU is a bit more substantial than NAFTA. Yes for all things economic, and for most things political.

But for diplomacy, no.

People don't regularly refer to the combined territory of Canada, the US, and Mexico as NAFTA.
Americans regularly refer to the combined territory of 25 countries (and probably more than that) as the EU, because keeping track of 25 foreign countries is too complicated.

[CFstantony]

It seems the gross generalization was correct or at least had some grain of truth if you get all defensive over something as inconsequential as failing to say EU member country diplomats.

[Imalaycle]

Originally posted by laurentius
you know Kuci if you are looking for an 'EU Foreign minister' the closest your gonna have is Javier Solana. He is supposed to assume more of the common fm powers in the next 6 monts or so I'm not looking for any such thing. I was pointing out that Spiffor's remarks were pedantic and wrong, because there was never the implication that the ambassador represented the EU.