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Old 06-13-2006, 07:29 AM   #1
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Default iPod City: Apple criticized for factory conditions
Following the news that some black MacBooks are having their paint chip off, the white MacBooks are turning yellow on the palmrests: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2802





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I am very sick of this bug(?) on my iPod video. About 75% of the time, when I pick a song at random out of a list (not within 3-4 songs of the currently playing song, as those are buffered), the iPod will display the song name/album, load the album art, pause for a few seconds...then skip immediately to the next song in the playlist and start playing (or return to the main menu if it's at the end of a playlist). SO annoying...

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Very frequently the thing will ignore my command to turn it off. I think this happens when it's loading upcoming songs int othe buffer, because if I wait ~5-6 seconds then try to turn it off, it usually works. Sometimes it will NEVER turn off if I just hold down the play/pause button. But if I press the button (to toggle play/pause), THEN hold it down...it will work. This is a simple device, WTF is this so complicate for Apple?
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Old 06-13-2006, 07:44 AM   #2
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That's the kind of thing you'd expect from a no-name laptop. The macbooks look crappy. And what's the deal with that PC jr keyboard?
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Old 06-13-2006, 08:09 AM   #3
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Because of course that would have solved anything. I mean, they were making so much progress before we normalized relations with them!

Opening up China is one of Nixon's greatest accomplishments.
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Old 06-13-2006, 08:25 AM   #4
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I'm not really interested in helping out the Chinese at least not until they institute sane and safe working conditions. We (meaning the west and Japan) have the ultimate carrot in the form of our markets. If they want the carrot then they must follow our rules in reguard to what we consider reasonable working conditions and if they want market access then they jump through what ever hoops we tell them to. End of story.
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Old 06-13-2006, 01:42 PM   #5
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Originally posted by Asher
Following the news that some black MacBooks are having their paint chip off, the white MacBooks are turning yellow on the palmrests: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2802





AND

I am very sick of this bug(?) on my iPod video. About 75% of the time, when I pick a song at random out of a list (not within 3-4 songs of the currently playing song, as those are buffered), the iPod will display the song name/album, load the album art, pause for a few seconds...then skip immediately to the next song in the playlist and start playing (or return to the main menu if it's at the end of a playlist). SO annoying...

AND

Very frequently the thing will ignore my command to turn it off. I think this happens when it's loading upcoming songs int othe buffer, because if I wait ~5-6 seconds then try to turn it off, it usually works. Sometimes it will NEVER turn off if I just hold down the play/pause button. But if I press the button (to toggle play/pause), THEN hold it down...it will work. This is a simple device, WTF is this so complicate for Apple? Your own article even says the "flaking" was reported by ONE person, and was an isolated case.

In any case, this article is ridiculous - the only reason it even got published is because of the attention they can grab by mentioning "iPod".
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Old 06-13-2006, 08:06 PM   #6
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Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm not really interested in helping out the Chinese at least not until they institute sane and safe working conditions. We (meaning the west and Japan) have the ultimate carrot in the form of our markets. If they want the carrot then they must follow our rules in reguard to what we consider reasonable working conditions and if they want market access then they jump through what ever hoops we tell them to. End of story. And of course denying them any money at all is sure to improve their economic condition sufficiently that they can afford those controls... no it's not, that's retarded.
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Old 06-13-2006, 08:27 PM   #7
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Anyway, what you're proposing is pretty evil, given how much harm it would cause to tens of millions of people.
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Old 06-13-2006, 09:19 PM   #8
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker

And of course denying them any money at all is sure to improve their economic condition sufficiently that they can afford those controls... no it's not, that's retarded. You don't get it do you? It doesn't cost a dime to enact a law and a good police state like China which has time to go after priests and democracy advocates should have plenty of time to enforce the new labor laws. If they don't then BAM! Absolute embargo of anything remotely related to China. Free trade for those countries who have democracy, protection of human rights, and safe working conditions for workers. Everyone else can go **** themselves.
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Old 06-14-2006, 03:32 AM   #9
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I didn't bother looking at the facts (why would I? ). It just seems like this happens everytime a product becomes popular. From Nike, to Walmart, and now Ipods.
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Old 06-14-2006, 04:56 AM   #10
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Haha, don't you get it? It costs them time and effort but use nothing other then inflation which can be off set by production from other low cost countries like Latin America or Africa or India if they want to follow or rules,

I'm afraid Jaguar is guilty of having a small mind and not being able to think outside of the box.
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Old 06-14-2006, 08:02 AM   #11
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Haha, don't you get it? It costs them time and effort but use nothing other then inflation which can be off set by production from other low cost countries like Latin America or Africa or India if they want to follow or rules, That sentence is not remotely grammatical. WTF are you trying to say?
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Old 06-14-2006, 08:37 AM   #12
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker

That sentence is not remotely grammatical. WTF are you trying to say? uci, if you can't follow that then you are either being deliberately obtuse or you are an idiot. Which is it?
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Old 06-14-2006, 08:47 AM   #13
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Originally posted by Oerdin
That's the point. This wouldn't be the old style of protectionism. Instead there would be free trade among all ****ries which are democracies, which respected basic worker rights (a right to unionize, a right to a set work day (8 hours), a right to health care), and which respected human rights. A look at the globe shows that the EU, the US, Canada, Latin America (minus Cuba), Australia, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, India, South Africa, and several other African Nations (along with possibly Russia and several other CIS states) could qualify. If you're going to cut it off at our values, you're basically saying "free trade within the West." Great. Cut off the rest of the world from any sort of outside economic investment. That's really going to improve conditions in those countries.

By cutting off trade with China, or any other country whose labor rights aren't up to par, we'd hurt both ourselves and them and benefit nobody.

If we are not willing to support our values then our values mean nothing. If we are willing to give up our values in exchange for 5% cheaper goods then what does that say about our commitment to democracy and human rights? It says we realize that completely severing trade with countries that don't have our standards isn't going to do them any good on those fronts, and will probably do a lot of harm. It's piontlessly destructive.
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Old 06-14-2006, 08:55 AM   #14
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Trade helps people and is a powerful motivatove because it creates wealth. We are putting a condition on them becoming wealthy by saying you must become a democracy and respect human rights before we will trade with you. That helps everyone because it spreads human rights, it spreads democracy, and it takes that most basic of human desires (the desire for money) and says "if you want it you must protect human rights and honor democracy". That does more for the people living in dictatorships then a hundred years of our current policy of giving the dictators everything they want and requiring them to do nothing.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:01 AM   #15
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Trade helps people and is a powerful motivatove because it creates wealth. We are putting a condition on them becoming wealthy by saying you must become a democracy and respect human rights before we will trade with you. That helps everyone because it spreads human rights, it spreads democracy, and it takes that most basic of human desires (the desire for money) and says "if you want it you must protect human rights and honor democracy". That does more for the people living in dictatorships then a hundred years of our current policy of giving the dictators everything they want and requiring them to do nothing.

Right, the magical sanctions fairy will just instantaneously turn the PRC into a liberal democracy with strong environmental and labor laws.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:02 AM   #16
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One word: Cuba.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:04 AM   #17
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Maybe you'll sleep a little better at night, but tens of millions of Chinese will sleep more poorly because they just lost their jobs and can't feed their families.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:06 AM   #18
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Maybe you'll sleep a little better at night, but tens of millions of Chinese will sleep more poorly because they just lost their jobs and can't feed their families. Then they should avocate for positive change. My job is to provide an incentive for nations to accept democracy and human rights; it is up to the people of those nations to determine their own destinies.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:10 AM   #19
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I think you missed his point about Cuba.

Here're two words: North Korea.

Just how much choice do you think the citizens of these fine countries get?
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:15 AM   #20
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Stop being stupid. cuba has no access to world markets. That's rather the point. How much progress have they made since we stopped trading with them?
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