[erepsysoulptnw]

Toss out one regime, and the next one that rises up will end up doing the exact same thing because of the what the situation entails.

Yes, because regimes seek power, and as power is a zero-sum game, it takes it from its victims.

[AlistDakisa]

This is important. The 'reasonable suspicion' was completely warranted, given the firearm type/style.

Lying about someone calling in of "suspected full auto weapons" being carried on the street was unwarranted.

This cop was not suspicious at all... (yeah right) someone called on him to be "reasonably suspicious"... or so he stated...

At most every cop stop video there is some small "white" lie that is told up front of all the other niceties.

They're all guilty.

"Stop with the Rules" LOL

[KLhdfskja]

Yes, because regimes seek power, and as power is a zero-sum game, it takes it from its victims.

A certain percentage of any society will end up acting irresponsibly to those around them. It's built into the human equation. At what point does one draw the line of what is acceptable in public?

Earlier mp5's we're chambed in 308. Trying to accurately control that amount of power in sub machine gun would be interesting...most likely someone half a mile away is going to end up taking one for the team. Certain firearms are designed to kill everything in a wide pattern wherever they happen to be pointed.

[KLhdfskja]

Lying about someone calling in of "suspected full auto weapons" being carried on the street was unwarranted.

This cop was not suspicious at all... (yeah right) someone called on him to be "reasonably suspicious"... or so he stated...

At most every cop stop video there is some small "white" lie that is told up front of all the other niceties.

They're all guilty.

"Stop with the Rules" LOL

Whether he lied or not is trivial. Open carry a full auto style sub machine gun? LOL....ok.

"Stop with the rules" is basically the cop telling the guy he already knows what the guy is going to say, I know I did (aka "the constitution says"), and that he's wasting everyone's time. He was on point.

Nobody in their right mind is ok with joe blow, and skeeter walking around with full auto assault weapons in public.

[AlistDakisa]

Nobody in their right mind is ok with joe blow, and skeeter walking around with full auto assault weapons in public.

Joe Blow and Skeeter Constitutionalist would need to give up all their rights to obtain full auto in the first place.

Lying isn't trivial.

Do you actually think the cop was checking to make sure if auto?

No, he was trying to hassle them to see if they started shit with him, so he could make life miserable.

The cop was a misery miser.

[YpciJQdo]

have fun with that here in wyo.....more of us are packing than cops.

[Nothatspecial]

This is important. The 'reasonable suspicion' was completely warranted, given the firearm type/style. Don't assume cops know more than you folks do about firearms. In fact, assume they know less....a lot less. They are trained with just a few types of firearms.

Since the 2nd Amendment makes NO DISTINCTION between armaments, please explain to me how this is completely warranted because of the firearm 'style'? Please remove your biased opinions from your reply. I want FACTS.

Cant you see this is the crap that is used to regulate ALL firearms?

[Nothatspecial]

The verifiability of said reasonable suspicion is flimsy at best: how does one determine whether a gun is semiauto or fully automatic?

One minds his own fucking business.

ANY firearm can be converted to fully auto. So now we must let Government inspect al of our arms, just to be sure, right?

[Nothatspecial]

Nobody in their right mind is ok with joe blow, and skeeter walking around with full auto assault weapons in public.

I am.

Who is a bigger threat, joe blow with a full auto machine gun, or an entire corrupted out of control authoritarian COMMUNIST Government who seeks to rob your private property, steal your childrens mind and innocence, and regulate/license/tax every single aspect of your life?

I'll battle it out with the lone gunman, EVERYTIME.

[erepsysoulptnw]

One minds his own fucking business.

ANY firearm can be converted to fully auto. So now we must let Government inspect al of our arms, just to be sure, right?

That is the logic that might be used to 'detain' an open carrier indefinitely. One may be released when the guy files the form to file the form to request a cop to test-fire the gun whenever they damn well feel like it. Whether it would be one day or ten years, no one knows.

[Phighicle]

Since the 2nd Amendment makes NO DISTINCTION between armaments, please explain to me how this is completely warranted because of the firearm 'style'? Please remove your biased opinions from your reply. I want FACTS.

Cant you see this is the crap that is used to regulate ALL firearms?

There's a reason why it's termed 'reasonable' suspicion, and not factual suspicion. The term reasonable must be included in your assessment. It may be reasonable to open carry a high powered rifle in some small town in the mountains, bear protection, etc. But is it also reasonable for Joe Blow to carry a rifle around a school scaring kids?

The reason why there's so many regulations is because people are idiots, and do not act within reason. People do what they think they can do, not what they should do, within reason. This is why all these regulations get passed through, using idiots as a prime example of why we should protect all folks from these idiots.

I'm not saying I agree with that, I'll leave my opinion out of it, just saying though...

[Progniusis]

the 2nd Amendment makes NO DISTINCTION between armaments

You will miss the target every time if you don't know what you are shooting at.

It is COMMERCE that is being regulated rather than the firearm (in the 18th century context).

Post 1899 all weapons have been deemed to be entered into commerce. Make your own and be less regulated. Or even go to a replica blackpowder 6-shooter.

Quite often I believe that societies grievance with people who take others lives is based upon the revenue society is deprived of.

[erepsysoulptnw]

Since the 2nd Amendment makes NO DISTINCTION between armaments, please explain to me how this is completely warranted because of the firearm 'style'? Please remove your biased opinions from your reply. I want FACTS.

Cant you see this is the crap that is used to regulate ALL firearms?

He seems to have confused facts with opinions, and thinks that 'just saying' excuses it. It may be best to ignore his antics.

[Phighicle]

Sui,

Here's an example, non firearm related, about what is 'reasonable'. A while back, my car broke down and I pulled over to the side of the road to let it cool down. It just so happens, it was outside a schoolyard with a bunch of kids outside playing. A gentleman from the school, an administrator approached me with questions...because it was reasonable for him to be suspicious of me, to make sure I wasn't a kidnapper, etc. That was reasonable, suspicion.

Now, say a guy is exercising his open carry rights in a park, where people are relaxing and enjoying life. It's completely reasonable for a cop to strike up a friendly conversation to make sure 1) that you are mentally sane, and 2) you know and are exercising your constitutional rights.

A few harmless questions...just to make sure you are not THIS guy.

[AlistDakisa]

There's a reason why it's termed 'reasonable' suspicion, and not factual suspicion.

Because all cops know that it is unreasonable to suspect full auto weapons being carried in full view on U.S. streets.

The entire video is a degrading spoof on law, and the perp. is the cop.

[Phighicle]

Because all cops know that it is unreasonable to suspect full auto weapons being carried in full view on U.S. streets.

Not all cops...ALL people. Common sense. It goes both ways...is it 'reasonable' for homeland security to march down our streets with fully auto weapons? Are they not exercising their constitutional rights? Don't you think we should have the right to question them?

They should really change the term 'reasonable suspicion' to 'common sense suspicion'.

[Veronnisa]

The verifiability of said reasonable suspicion is flimsy at best: how does one determine whether a gun is semiauto or fully automatic?

You can't tell from far away. A lot of rifles have a civilian issue semi-automatic and a military issue fully-automatic version. The reasonable suspicion is as you said - how CAN one visually tell the difference? Almost impossible...


The only way out of this situation is to argue that fully automatic weapons are protected by the 2nd amendment, therefore granting the cop no reasonable suspicion.

[KLhdfskja]

Joe Blow and Skeeter Constitutionalist would need to give up all their rights to obtain full auto in the first place.

Lying isn't trivial.

Do you actually think the cop was checking to make sure if auto?

No, he was trying to hassle them to see if they started shit with him, so he could make life miserable.

The cop was a misery miser.

I would take offense if you couldn't own one. That's would be an issue, but if you can own one, there's a time and place.

The guy didn't get busted for owning one, just open carrying it.

I personally would not want to live in a society with anyone walking around carrying full auto weapons.

You can, but I would call it loonyville USA.

Time and place...time and place. Common sense needs to be carried into the equation at some point. You can empty 10 rounds with a semi auto in under 5 seconds. Definitely adequate.

I think the problem is some people expect a fairy tale anarchist reality that will simply never exist. Pipe dream.

[AlistDakisa]

The guy didn't get busted for owning one, just open carrying it.

Which video are you talking about?

Nobody was (busted) arrested in the one I saw,

in the one I saw there was a policeman selling & harassing pedestrians into giving up their rights & owning full auto weapons.

[KLhdfskja]

Which video are you talking about?

Nobody was (busted) arrested in the one I saw,

in the one I saw there was a policeman selling & harassing pedestrians into giving up their rights & owning full auto weapons.

As in balls busted. I posted the video.

Anyhow forget guns, try walking around your local supermarket holding a machete.

Chances are you'll be confronted by staff long before the cops show up. The nerve of those oppressive power seeking store employees... /sarcasm