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Old 06-29-2012, 02:41 PM   #21

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...just a case of the "munchies " here...nothing more
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:14 PM   #22

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The DEA agrees. Marijuana is bad mmm'k.
it is painful to think about who is paying the salary of the local, state, & federal dick's who spend SO much time persecuting people who have committed no crime.

AND - with a pResident whose Choom VW bus puts Sean Penn/ Spicoli's VW bus to shame.

AND - OH YEAH, the pResident's pot-smoking bus WAS REAL, not a Hollywood prop.

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Old 06-29-2012, 07:23 PM   #23

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I guess I'm way out of the loop. What the hell is this bath salt thing?

I order a lot of bath salt for my hot tub, that and magnesium make hot tubbing a real treat plus a little boron. Makes a real healthy hot tub.

edit: I also use H2O2 as an oxidyzer, much healthier than chlorine.
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:21 PM   #24

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I guess I'm way out of the loop. What the hell is this bath salt thing?

I order a lot of bath salt for my hot tub, that and magnesium make hot tubbing a real treat plus a little boron. Makes a real healthy hot tub.
you're using bath salts in the normal healthy manner.

some people snort & smoke chemicals that are marketed as bath salts.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:14 PM   #25

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"Bath Salts" - Emerging and Dangerous Products

February 2011
"Bath Salts", the newest fad to hit the shelves (virtual and real), is the latest addition to a growing list of items that young people can obtain to get high. The synthetic powder is sold legally online and in drug paraphernalia stores under a variety of names, such as "Ivory Wave," "Purple Wave," "Red Dove," "Blue Silk," "Zoom," "Bloom," "Cloud Nine," "Ocean Snow," "Lunar Wave," "Vanilla Sky," "White Lightning," "Scarface," and "Hurricane Charlie." Because these products are relatively new to the drug abuse scene, our knowledge about their precise chemical composition and short- and long-term effects is limited, yet the information we do have is worrisome and warrants a proactive stance to understand and minimize any potential dangers to the health of the public.
We know, for example, that these products often contain various amphetamine-like chemicals, such as methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MPDV), mephedrone and pyrovalerone. These drugs are typically administered orally, by inhalation, or by injection, with the worst outcomes apparently associated with snorting or intravenous administration. Mephedrone is of particular concern because, according to the United Kingdom experience, it presents a high risk for overdose. These chemicals act in the brain like stimulant drugs (indeed they are sometimes touted as cocaine substitutes); thus they present a high abuse and addiction liability. Consistent with this notion, these products have been reported to trigger intense cravings not unlike those experienced by methamphetamine users, and clinical reports from other countries appear to corroborate their addictiveness. They can also confer a high risk for other medical adverse effects. Some of these may be linked to the fact that, beyond their known psychoactive ingredients, the contents of "bath salts" are largely unknown, which makes the practice of abusing them, by any route, that much more dangerous.
Unfortunately, "bath salts" have already been linked to an alarming number of ER visits across the country. Doctors and clinicians at U.S. poison centers have indicated that ingesting or snorting "bath salts" containing synthetic stimulants can cause chest pains, increased blood pressure, increased heart rate, agitation, hallucinations, extreme paranoia, and delusions. It is noteworthy that, even though we are barely two months into 2011, there have been 251 calls related to "bath salts" to poison control centers so far this year. This number already exceeds the 236 calls received by poison control centers for all of 2010. In response to this emerging threat, several states, including Hawaii, Michigan, Louisiana, Kentucky, and North Dakota, have introduced legislation to ban these products, which are incidentally labeled as "not fit for human consumption." In addition, several counties, cities, and local municipalities have also taken action to ban these products.
We will continue to monitor the situation and promote research on the extent, pharmacology, and consequences of "bath salts" abuse. In the meantime, I would like to urge parents, teachers, and the public at large to be aware of the potential dangers associated with the use of these drugs and to exercise a judicious level of vigilance that will help us deal with this problem most effectively.
Nora D. Volkow, M.D.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:13 AM   #26

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May be worth revisiting at this juncture... after the first five minutes I realized that nothing ever changes.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:17 AM   #27

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Man you crack me up, seriously! LMAO!!!

Old 06-30-2012, 05:33 AM   #28

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perseveration ?
Obsessions, or things that people persevere overly.

Example: "That [event] is such old news. Stop perseverating on it."

Some dictionaries don't have it, weird.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:34 PM   #29

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So the media jumped to the conclusion that this guy was on bath salts?? You don't say!

Now poor bath salts gets a bad wrap because some guy ate a homeless guy's face.

Just kidding, that shit is wicked evil. Even if it doesn't make you eat the face of your fellow man.

Here's a user testimony:

The Experience: (Times are estimates, but I did have a clock in front of me the
whole time)

12:30am After a long day I decide I want a little something
extra to keep me going and break out the PV, I eyeball 5mg, which was pretty
damn accurate I'm certain and here we being
12:35am Feelin somethin
somethin, pretty nice so far, increased focus and attention to details

12:45am Even Better, Hoping it stays this way for awhile, Increased
Awareness, Bug Eyes, Big Pupils, Euphoria not alot but its there, I watch porn,
smoke a couple vape's of dank, etc etc
1:00am Reading on the internet like a
maniac, multi-tasking, posting, researching multiple issues, etc, getting alot
done, thinking, nicotine was awesome
1:30am Decide, despite being previously
warned, and against my own initial plan to do a little bit more, it worked the
first time right, eyeball 4mg & 1mg, 1mg on the tongue, mmm chemicals

1:35 Fuck yeah here we go increased heart rate, want sex really bad,
cant perform so no point in calling anyone to help me out there though, at this
point shit is good anyway, watching like 4 movies skipping back and forth
between them, total ADD behavior, vapin, more nicotine, watch porn, every
addictive behavior I can think of basically, starting to feel a loss of control,
(this is the beginning of the 'turning point' but I don't yet realize what
horrors are to come), I start thinking that I found something awesome, I am just
stuck in a weird euphoric/trance like state though, so its good but awkward,
Also there were some minor visual hallucinations, wiggling, waving, tracers, not
a lot, but similar to the 2C's, brightened colors
2:00am Again, decide to do
more, this time I want to make sure I get the full effects and I'm done for
real, accurately measure 14mg, do 10mg

2:03am Do the other 4mg, Wowwy,
intense something, its really more of an adrenaline rush than dopamine though,
the feeling I get from going down the first hill on a rollercoaster, pressure in
the head, heart rate increase, i was keeping track though and it never went
above 108, but that it still probably double my normal resting rate, now I'm
pacing around my room, not wanting to go out anywhere, but not wanting to sit
still either. Muscle tension is getting pretty bad, neck feels like it popped
out of alignment, heart pains (mild) relieved by massaging chest area
things are getting weird, I dont feel in control of my own actions, like a
puppet, or like the part of brain that is 'me' isn't able to access my body's
actions, like I get up and start doing stuff, and I'm not in control
sitting still, trying to pull it together, ignoring all the paranoia, I still
feel good, but slightly poisoned, and a little bit deranged, glad I didnt do any
more than this, I see now why people say the experience changes w/ redose, maybe
there is a toxic metabolite I wonder, or maybe this is hitting some strange
dopamine receptor D2 or D4 I suspect, feels like mostly peripheral and not CNS

2:30 smoke nicotine, at this point I really notice my movements
becomming, weird, robotic like dxm, but also shaky and there is a difficulty
getting myself to move, I feel frozen, similar to how you freeze when someone
scares the shit out of you, but without the fear, I'm really good at ignoring
paranoia, I can see just about any else having a total freakout running down the
street naked by now, there is just such a weird manic tweakerness going on, this
stuff was in control, not me, I could barely use my computer mouse to navigate
at this point, took all the effort I had to ma
3:??am feeling increasing
concerned about my muscle control, sitting in my chair unable to move, I feel
like a deer caught in the headlights, realize I've been sitting staring at my
computer screen doing nothing for about an hour, this is the void state of
nothingness, the state between being high and coming down, extended forever, I
sit like a zombie with weird thoughts running through my head, I know this is
chemically induced and that I will eventually come down, but I can't help but
worry that I might stay this way, stuck an insane weirdo who can do anything but
stare with bug eyes in some toxic trance

4:00am decide to try and cut
this crap short however possible, take phenibut eyeballed 1.2g, vape a ton of
herb, which helped for about 5 minutes
5:00am I realize now that I cant move
even if I want to, my arms are paralyzed stuck to my sides, my legs are shaking
uncontrollably, I can stop it for a few seconds, but then it starts right again,
I know there is no way this is going to end any time soon, I can't even drink
water at this point, having shallow breathing, trying to wash the evil out of my
nose, making it kick in more, but i know I have to get it out of there, my face
and throat are numb, I can't muster the energy to blow my nose, how pathetic is
that I wonder
6:00am lying down, heart still going, annoyed at everything at
this point, all the horrible side-effects, when will it end, I've been here
before, but only with crazy combinations and much more fun beforehand

8:00am at this point I have gotten up and paced around a little bit and
I decide to sit back down in my chair, I am so confused as to why I can't
control myself, like I want to do something and I can't, and things I'm not
trying to do I'm doing, then I try to wipe my eyes because they are all mucousy
and I can see well, well my hands got stuck next to my eyes, pushing on my face,
but it was like some built-in biological mechanism would not let me wipe my eyes
no matter how hard I tried, and simultaneously I could not stop trying to do it,
this was torture, I was pushing on my face, near my eyes for an hour straight, i
got up and walked around, but I couldn't pull my hands from my face, my hands
are shaking too, finally somehow I am able to grab one
hand with the other
and pull it away from my face, what the fuck is wrong with me, this is enough to
drive most people insane, I am lucky I have extremely tough psychology, and lots
of experience with weird states of mind

9:15 I decide to try and blow my
nose, by this time I am feeling super weak, sickly like a 120 year old, when I
go to blow my nose I get stuck again, blowing my nose, but barely, holding the
paper towel tight to my nose, trying to breath out into it for an hour, I feel
like I'm suffocating myself but I can't stop, I am being forced to torture
11:00 trying to sleep again, feeling shitty, super annoyed, angry,
12:00 I maybe get a half hour of messed up sleep, weird dreams that
were just as annoying as being awake was, my neck hurts, my body feels dead, I
wonder what the hell happened and had to keep reminding myself that it will
eventually go away, and I pray that it will
1:30 whatever is in control of
my mind and body at this point decides I will take a shower, I get in the shower
and as soon and I start, the hot water runs out, well guess what . . stuck
again, frozen, but now with cold running shower on me, I can't move no matter
how hard I try, its like the harder I try to move, the more I just stand there
and shake, the water is warm for a little bit until it runs out completely then
just cold water, i manage to turn my back to it, I'm guessing that's because it
was an involuntary muscle action, but nope no voluntary ones, not yet

2:00 after half an hour stuck in the running cold shower, i manage to
turn the water off, but I'm still standing there, i go to blow my nose, stuck
AGAIN, blowing my nose, over and over and over, what a wierdo, eventually after
20-30 minutes I stopped that and got back into my bed, delerious, dehydrated,
exhausted, just wanting to come down
3:00 throw up, drink about 2 sips of
water, no way I can eat anything at all, I hate this, I feel depressed, probably
the worst I've ever felt, and i can still feel the drug almost full force, when
will the madness stop, this shit doesn't get me high it just makes me crazy, I
now know why you see those people walking all deranged looking homeless
crackheads, they must be doing something similar to this to themselves . . .
charlie sheen, i know what happened to him now, his dealer cut his blow with pv

5:00am - 5pm still awake, annoyed, really this part went on all day, got
stuck blowing my nose a couple more times, shaking, writhing in wierdness, wide
awake still, when I looked at something I couldn't look away, whatever had my
attention, had all my attention, I couldnt do anything, zombie, I hate myself
for becomming a zombie
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Old 12-31-2019, 04:37 AM   #30
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...just a case of the "munchies " here...nothing more
Originally Posted by TimEricsson View Post
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