[affozyBoomi]

Those drones can locate people and determine if they are armed from two miles and are being used to watch the people of this country. We're in a lot of trouble with the military and their controllers. Sounds like to me from this story we're screwed.

Drones or no drones, the gun-owning people still outnumber the NWO pigs by a vast amount.

[Nakforappealp]

Drones or no drones, the gun-owning people still outnumber the NWO pigs by a vast amount.

The second Americans realized that shit, the second this criminal government and NWO would be kicked out of our country.

[clapsoewmred]

Drones or no drones, the gun-owning people still outnumber the NWO pigs by a vast amount.

This may be the case, but what if you take out all the gun-owning people that would lay down those guns at the first sign of trouble?

My impression is that number would be bigger than most think. I have known too many gun owners that would be useless if ever called upon to defend anything that matters.

[cymnPrayerm]

I doubt if a predator drone would be very effective in a dense forest.

And the first predator that gets into controlled airspace and gets in the way of a 747 is going to bring a bunch of criticism.

[IrrettelatWet]

I doubt if a predator drone would be very effective in a dense forest.

And the first predator that gets into controlled airspace and gets in the way of a 747 is going to bring a bunch of criticism.

Thermal Imaging?

[tLO0hFNy]

Thermal Imaging?

If they use a full blown one (full sensor pack) they can see you., It would take a very dense forest, the kind that are dark in them in full daylight and maybe you would not be seen. Hell you can walk a trail, and they can track your foot steps by heat signature after you are long gone. Scarey stuff.

Pdf

http://www.flir.com/uploadedFiles/CV...darkness_a.pdf

[Skete]

they can track your foot steps by heat signature after you are long gone. I'm a certified thermographer and that is utter bullshit. Heat left by 'footprints' will dissipate in a couple of minutes, if that long, the exception being footprints in snow (which you can see with your naked eyes anyway lol).

And FYI, with respect to 'heat signatures' (IR), if you cannot see an IR radiating body with your naked eyes, i.e. blocked by foliage or some object, then your IR device isn't going to 'see' any of the heat either.

[Amomiamup]

with respect to 'heat signatures' (IR), if you cannot see an IR radiating body with your naked eyes, i.e. blocked by foliage or some object, then your IR device isn't going to 'see' any of the heat either.

Are you saying that taking cover behind bushes, etc, will block heat sigs in these viewers?

[catermos]

Are you saying that taking cover behind bushes, etc, will block heat sigs in these viewers?

What I'm saying is that if you cannot see the ('hot') object with your naked eyes, then your IR imaging device won't 'see' it either - it really is that simple (e.g. a thermal blanket will provide 'cover', HOWEVER if the aluminum on the thermal blanket is exposed to the IR imaging device then it will shine like a beacon, just like with the naked eyes; cover the thermal blanket so the aluminum is blocked and that's sufficient). Surrounding objects picking up radiated heat will give an indication of a nearby very hot object (but not animals, only very hot objects like internal combustion engines). The best example I can give you is that of an automobile that has been in operation and is now parked - the exhaust system will heat up the ground enough to indicate the heat (but not to a great extent, it's very subtle), and the automobile will show heat mostly at the engine compartment (it's the body sheet metal showing the heat radiating into it, NOT the engine itself) and at the wheel assemblies (depending upon the ambient temperature). A car that has been parked (running or not, depending upon conditions) and then moved will have the ground indicating heat for a minute or three after it is moved (or maybe not, depending upon the ambient temp. again).

[sonsayx]

looks scared !

Agreed !!

Gee, when I took this job I thought I'd just be pulling people over, giving them speeding tickets, I never thought I'd have to deal with people that carry guns just like me !! These guys aren't afraid of me, I'd better ask my big brother for help.
Just like they told me in the academy - above all, officer's safety comes first

[gghrdfffhfyj]

In the article it says the drone located the three men from two miles distance and they were deternined to be unarmed. How'd they do that? The area of grasslands called the big open starts up in canada, goes down through montana, eastern wyoming and the western parts of the dakotas and nebraska. There's not much for forrests in it. If marshall law were declared homeland security already has the power to take control of the farms and ranches. There's nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. A huge part of the food raised in this country is raised in open country.

[PapsEdisa]

Agreed !!

Gee, when I took this job I thought I'd just be pulling people over, giving them speeding tickets, I never thought I'd have to deal with people that carry guns just like me !! These guys aren't afraid of me, I'd better ask my big brother for help.
Just like they told me in the academy - above all, officer's safety comes first

Just wait until you get your SWAT training, where hunting/killing the target comes first.

[Efonukmp]

It won't be long before they start using the drones to fire missiles or drop bombs on our houses. Without accountability of course.


Hatha

[pavelChe]

What I'm saying is that if you cannot see the ('hot') object with your naked eyes, then your IR imaging device won't 'see' it either - it really is that simple (e.g. a thermal blanket will provide 'cover', HOWEVER if the aluminum on the thermal blanket is exposed to the IR imaging device then it will shine like a beacon, just like with the naked eyes; cover the thermal blanket so the aluminum is blocked and that's sufficient). Surrounding objects picking up radiated heat will give an indication of a nearby very hot object (but not animals, only very hot objects like internal combustion engines). The best example I can give you is that of an automobile that has been in operation and is now parked - the exhaust system will heat up the ground enough to indicate the heat (but not to a great extent, it's very subtle), and the automobile will show heat mostly at the engine compartment (it's the body sheet metal showing the heat radiating into it, NOT the engine itself) and at the wheel assemblies (depending upon the ambient temperature). A car that has been parked (running or not, depending upon conditions) and then moved will have the ground indicating heat for a minute or three after it is moved (or maybe not, depending upon the ambient temp. again).

So a ghillie suit that is lined internally with a space blanket could be essentially undectable by eye or thermal. That is what I am getting from this information.

[jyhugikuhih]

So a ghillie suit that is lined internally with a space blanket could be essentially undectable by eye or thermal. That is what I am getting from this information.

So long as none of the space blanket itself cannot be seen with the naked eye at any point, 'cause a space blanket shines like a mirror in an IR viewer. Using IR is all about looking for anomalies, i.e. 'stuff that doesn't belong there'. IOW, what you see is what you get.

[kjsdiuwe]

Shit. This whole time I was talking about Thermal, not IR.

What about Thermal imaging, with the space blanket ghillie?

[MexicoCity]

Shit. This whole time I was talking about Thermal, not IR.

What about Thermal imaging, with the space blanket ghillie?

Thermal imaging = infrared imaging.

And those numbskulls at 'FLIR' are just that, numbskulls. 'FLIR' is an acronym for 'Forward Looking InfraRed' - they only adopted the name 'FLIR' because it's in the lexicon and sounds 'mysterious, scientific' and 'really cool!'. 'Forward looking' had to do with the relatively primitive technology available in the '60's-'70s as the IR imaging back then would be mounted on an aircraft and 'look forward' rather than straight down (most likely because the cryogenically cooled devices couldn't be mounted on a gimbal like the electronically cooled devices are today).

[daasayse]

I always thought that Thermal was basically Heat vision, and IR was Night vision?

[goatteatromiag]

I always thought that Thermal was basically Heat vision, and IR was Night vision?

Night vision is amplification of available light - no light, nothing to see. In cases where there's no available light for a NVD to work, then an IR 'illuminator' is utilized.

[pimbertiemoft]

In the article it says the drone located the three men from two miles distance and they were deternined to be unarmed. How'd they do that? The area of grasslands called the big open starts up in canada, goes down through montana, eastern wyoming and the western parts of the dakotas and nebraska. There's not much for forrests in it. If marshall law were declared homeland security already has the power to take control of the farms and ranches. There's nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. A huge part of the food raised in this country is raised in open country.

If they realy wanted to they could probably find you from orbit.