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**JosephNF** · 10-18-2011, 08:04 PM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...home_multiline

Sick ****ers... Each one that walked passed/ignored the child is a sick ****.

**Psymoussy** · 10-18-2011, 08:24 PM

omfg, that is horrible. People actually walked around her body barely giving the poor child a glance. I'm sick to my stomach right now.

**SonicPs** · 10-18-2011, 08:26 PM

It's messed up for sure, but if you read more about it from other articles/sources apparently a wave of legal action after people assisting others after accidents was a big factor in it. So much so that the Minister for Health in China has previously recommending not to help an old lady up if she falls over, in fact 80% of Chinese people polled said they wouldn't help up up someone who had fallen over and this is is an extension of that. If by doing the right thing you can be punished then it can effect your decision to do something (this is from The Times paper today, no link sorry but sure it's out there).

One example was a guy who helped an elderly women who fell and broke her hip, he took her to the hospital then she sued him and because he gave her a bit of money at the hospital as a gesture she used that to 'prove' in court he pushed her over. Was another few high profile cases of people being sued for many times their own income and this is the end result of a culture like that. It has bred a fear of helping others for fear of their own livelihood. Not every person who walked past there was heartless person, people are either:

1. Those who would help people even if it's putting their own LIFE at risk (not many here would do that imo, but some would)

2. Those who would help people by potentially putting their livelihood on the line (more, but certainly not all)

3. Those who would help people only if nothing bad could possible happen to them (pretty much al the rest, but still a few who wouldn't because they are ****'s.

Sadly China and it's US-like legal system (but ****ed up) has made helping people become a risk to livelihood, so less people are willing to help.

**Psymoussy** · 10-18-2011, 08:30 PM

It's messed up for sure, but if you read more about it from other articles/sources apparently a wave of legal action after people assisting others after accidents was a big factor in it. So much so that the Minister for Health in China has previously recommending not to help an old lady up if she falls over, in fact 80% of Chinese people polled said they wouldn't help up up someone who had fallen over and this is is an extension of that. If by doing the right thing you can be punished then it can effect your decision to do something (this is from The Times paper today, no link sorry but sure it's out there).

One example was a guy who helped an elderly women who fell and broke her hip, he took her to the hospital then she sued him and because he gave her a bit of money at the hospital as a gesture she used that to 'prove' in court he pushed her over. Was another few high profile cases of people being sued for many times their own income and this is the end result of a culture like that. It had bred a fear of helping others for fear of their own livelihood. Not every person who walked past there was heartless person, people are either:

1. Those who would help people even if it's putting their own LIFE at risk (not many here would do that imo, but some would)

2. Those who would help people by potentially putting their livelihood on the line (more, but certainly not all)

3. Those who would help people only if nothing bad could possible happen to them (pretty much al the rest, but still a few who wouldn't because they are *****.

Sadly China and it's US-like legal system (buit ****ed up) has made helping people become a risk to livelihood, so less people are willing to help.

I can (unfortunately) understand that, but even standing in the middle of the road to stop further traffic and screaming for help (or calling the police) would have been better than walking by. What about being sued for not helping?

**SonicPs** · 10-18-2011, 08:35 PM

What about being sued for not helping?

That's the point over there, walk by and you can be sure nothing happens to you, help and you might be screwed for all your money. That is sadder to me than the act itself, a country breeding such a climate of fear about doing basic good to your fellow man.

**Unergerah** · 10-18-2011, 08:36 PM

Very cool vid. Thanks for sharing.

**Munccoughe** · 10-18-2011, 09:12 PM

It was also on the news down here, TBH, I thought it was in the US precisely because I thought they didn't want to get into trouble helping or they were afraid someone would accuse them of doing something with the child.
However, I expect the same thing would happen in many countries, even here in some areas.

**UtidaBrar** · 10-18-2011, 09:26 PM

It was also on the news down here, TBH, I thought it was in the US precisely because I thought they didn't want to get into trouble helping or they were afraid someone would accuse them of doing something with the child.
However, I expect the same thing would happen in many countries, even here in some areas.

You are ignorant.

The US has a good samaritan law that protects people from law suits for assisting others. I also really don't see this happening in many other countries.

**Munccoughe** · 10-18-2011, 09:29 PM

I know they do, precisely because people were being left to die when simple first aid may have helped - doesn't change what first I thought when I saw it on the TV.

**JosephNF** · 10-18-2011, 11:31 PM

It's messed up for sure, but if you read more about it from other articles/sources apparently a wave of legal action after people assisting others after accidents was a big factor in it. So much so that the Minister for Health in China has previously recommending not to help an old lady up if she falls over, in fact 80% of Chinese people polled said they wouldn't help up up someone who had fallen over and this is is an extension of that. If by doing the right thing you can be punished then it can effect your decision to do something (this is from The Times paper today, no link sorry but sure it's out there).

One example was a guy who helped an elderly women who fell and broke her hip, he took her to the hospital then she sued him and because he gave her a bit of money at the hospital as a gesture she used that to 'prove' in court he pushed her over. Was another few high profile cases of people being sued for many times their own income and this is the end result of a culture like that. It has bred a fear of helping others for fear of their own livelihood. Not every person who walked past there was heartless person, people are either:

1. Those who would help people even if it's putting their own LIFE at risk (not many here would do that imo, but some would)

2. Those who would help people by potentially putting their livelihood on the line (more, but certainly not all)

3. Those who would help people only if nothing bad could possible happen to them (pretty much al the rest, but still a few who wouldn't because they are ****'s.

Sadly China and it's US-like legal system (but ****ed up) has made helping people become a risk to livelihood, so less people are willing to help.

I will be honest with you... That is no reason for not stopping cars and calling an ambulance... You don't even have to touch the person/child. Make sure no further harm comes, make sure help is on the way, and wait for their arrival... I would not be able to live with my self (honest) if I saw a person (especially a child of that age) dying and I just turned the other way.

**Louthcoombutt** · 10-18-2011, 11:38 PM

Did you ACTUALLY cry?

**JosephNF** · 10-18-2011, 11:50 PM

Did you ACTUALLY cry?

a few tears. I didnt sob if thats what you are asking.
It made me really upset that the child wasn't given a chance... Parents were careless, the drivers were careless, and the people were heartless... Imagine being in a situation like that as a child... She was helpless and no one immediately came to her aid when she needed it...
It's one thing if it was an adult... I would say what a sick group of people to ignore someone in distress... But a child?
Not saying life should be fair... Not saying the child would have survived (i have no idea if she would have) if she got help... But the fact that she was ignored when she was powerless/helpless... Is so sad and the thought of it happening to me... being in her shoes... is somewhat terrifying.

**erepsysoulpfbs** · 10-19-2011, 12:15 AM

I will be honest with you... That is no reason for not stopping cars and calling an ambulance... You don't even have to touch the person/child. Make sure no further harm comes, make sure help is on the way, and wait for their arrival... I would not be able to live with my self (honest) if I saw a person (especially a child of that age) dying and I just turned the other way.

Well thats the thing. When you call the police from your cell phone, you can be still sued for doing nothing if something happens to the person during the time you wait for the police. Its just as bad as being sued for doing the wrong thing while helping. Believe me, its that bad. People just try to get away from an incident just so they wont get sued.

I hate it but I can understand them. In my opinion, if someone is trying to help you and while doing so worsens your situation, you still shouldnt be allowed to sue the person at all. In how many cases does that happen anyway. Most of the time any help is better than doing nothing.

Edit: After watching the video, there is still no excuse for the people doing nothing. At least call an ambulance, I doubt a hospital would track your cell phone number.

**Hinigyday** · 10-19-2011, 12:38 AM

It´s all a bunch of bullsh!t,
There are laws out there (afaik the´re called good Samaritan laws or something like that) that are there to protect the people that choose to help others, from being sued afterwards.
These laws exist both in the US and Germany.

**Cigarsstoreonline** · 10-19-2011, 12:48 AM

Did you ACTUALLY cry?

Well I did, along with having a huge sense of anger and disbelief. Maybe having a two-year-old boy enhances that, I don't know. I'm angry that not only was the driver stupid enough to run over a child when they had so much time to see her, but they ran her over again with the rear wheel a few seconds after stopping when the front wheel went over her.

I've seen the uncensored video, and it's possibly one of the most gut wrenching things I've ever seen.

**turbutbamethyg** · 10-19-2011, 01:04 AM

Wow, same thing actually happened to my father when he was living in China.

Motorcyclist was hit by a bus and thrown into the road bleeding badly and he was unable to get up. My dad (who got there minutes later) was the only one to help him. Everyone else walked/drove by without even looking at him.

**drexigordiche** · 10-19-2011, 01:08 AM

Did you ACTUALLY cry?

Your point being what exactly? Would that be a bad thing or what? It's pretty clear you think you're a bad ass.

**Hinigyday** · 10-19-2011, 01:11 AM

Your point being what exactly? Would that be a bad thing or what? It's pretty clear you think you're a bad ass.

He´s just a little teenage c*** that gets a kick out off pissing people off, Ignore him.

**Unergerah** · 10-19-2011, 06:34 AM

It´s all a bunch of bullsh!t,
There are laws out there (afaik the´re called good Samaritan laws or something like that) that are there to protect the people that choose to help others, from being sued afterwards.
These laws exist both in the US and Germany.

What do the US and Germany have to do with anything?

**Louthcoombutt** · 10-19-2011, 07:51 AM

Your point being what exactly? Would that be a bad thing or what? It's pretty clear you think you're a bad ass.

He´s just a little teenage c*** that gets a kick out off pissing people off, Ignore him.

Sounds like you guys put words in my mouth!

Also, I'm not a teenager!

10-18-2011, 08:04 PM	#1
JosephNF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	I actually cried http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...home_multiline Sick **ers... Each one that walked passed/ignored the child is a sick **. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 08:24 PM	#2
Psymoussy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 458 Senior Member	omfg, that is horrible. People actually walked around her body barely giving the poor child a glance. I'm sick to my stomach right now. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 08:26 PM	#3
SonicPs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	It's messed up for sure, but if you read more about it from other articles/sources apparently a wave of legal action after people assisting others after accidents was a big factor in it. So much so that the Minister for Health in China has previously recommending not to help an old lady up if she falls over, in fact 80% of Chinese people polled said they wouldn't help up up someone who had fallen over and this is is an extension of that. If by doing the right thing you can be punished then it can effect your decision to do something (this is from The Times paper today, no link sorry but sure it's out there). One example was a guy who helped an elderly women who fell and broke her hip, he took her to the hospital then she sued him and because he gave her a bit of money at the hospital as a gesture she used that to 'prove' in court he pushed her over. Was another few high profile cases of people being sued for many times their own income and this is the end result of a culture like that. It has bred a fear of helping others for fear of their own livelihood. Not every person who walked past there was heartless person, people are either: 1. Those who would help people even if it's putting their own LIFE at risk (not many here would do that imo, but some would) 2. Those who would help people by potentially putting their livelihood on the line (more, but certainly not all) 3. Those who would help people only if nothing bad could possible happen to them (pretty much al the rest, but still a few who wouldn't because they are **'s. Sadly China and it's US-like legal system (but **ed up) has made helping people become a risk to livelihood, so less people are willing to help. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 08:30 PM	#4
Psymoussy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 458 Senior Member	It's messed up for sure, but if you read more about it from other articles/sources apparently a wave of legal action after people assisting others after accidents was a big factor in it. So much so that the Minister for Health in China has previously recommending not to help an old lady up if she falls over, in fact 80% of Chinese people polled said they wouldn't help up up someone who had fallen over and this is is an extension of that. If by doing the right thing you can be punished then it can effect your decision to do something (this is from The Times paper today, no link sorry but sure it's out there). One example was a guy who helped an elderly women who fell and broke her hip, he took her to the hospital then she sued him and because he gave her a bit of money at the hospital as a gesture she used that to 'prove' in court he pushed her over. Was another few high profile cases of people being sued for many times their own income and this is the end result of a culture like that. It had bred a fear of helping others for fear of their own livelihood. Not every person who walked past there was heartless person, people are either: 1. Those who would help people even if it's putting their own LIFE at risk (not many here would do that imo, but some would) 2. Those who would help people by potentially putting their livelihood on the line (more, but certainly not all) 3. Those who would help people only if nothing bad could possible happen to them (pretty much al the rest, but still a few who wouldn't because they are ***. Sadly China and it's US-like legal system (buit **ed up) has made helping people become a risk to livelihood, so less people are willing to help. I can (unfortunately) understand that, but even standing in the middle of the road to stop further traffic and screaming for help (or calling the police) would have been better than walking by. What about being sued for not helping? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 08:35 PM	#5
SonicPs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	What about being sued for not helping? That's the point over there, walk by and you can be sure nothing happens to you, help and you might be screwed for all your money. That is sadder to me than the act itself, a country breeding such a climate of fear about doing basic good to your fellow man. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 08:36 PM	#6
Unergerah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	Very cool vid. Thanks for sharing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 09:12 PM	#7
Munccoughe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	It was also on the news down here, TBH, I thought it was in the US precisely because I thought they didn't want to get into trouble helping or they were afraid someone would accuse them of doing something with the child. However, I expect the same thing would happen in many countries, even here in some areas. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 09:26 PM	#8
UtidaBrar Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 466 Senior Member	It was also on the news down here, TBH, I thought it was in the US precisely because I thought they didn't want to get into trouble helping or they were afraid someone would accuse them of doing something with the child. However, I expect the same thing would happen in many countries, even here in some areas. You are ignorant. The US has a good samaritan law that protects people from law suits for assisting others. I also really don't see this happening in many other countries. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 09:29 PM	#9
Munccoughe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	I know they do, precisely because people were being left to die when simple first aid may have helped - doesn't change what first I thought when I saw it on the TV. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 11:31 PM	#10
JosephNF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	It's messed up for sure, but if you read more about it from other articles/sources apparently a wave of legal action after people assisting others after accidents was a big factor in it. So much so that the Minister for Health in China has previously recommending not to help an old lady up if she falls over, in fact 80% of Chinese people polled said they wouldn't help up up someone who had fallen over and this is is an extension of that. If by doing the right thing you can be punished then it can effect your decision to do something (this is from The Times paper today, no link sorry but sure it's out there). One example was a guy who helped an elderly women who fell and broke her hip, he took her to the hospital then she sued him and because he gave her a bit of money at the hospital as a gesture she used that to 'prove' in court he pushed her over. Was another few high profile cases of people being sued for many times their own income and this is the end result of a culture like that. It has bred a fear of helping others for fear of their own livelihood. Not every person who walked past there was heartless person, people are either: 1. Those who would help people even if it's putting their own LIFE at risk (not many here would do that imo, but some would) 2. Those who would help people by potentially putting their livelihood on the line (more, but certainly not all) 3. Those who would help people only if nothing bad could possible happen to them (pretty much al the rest, but still a few who wouldn't because they are **'s. Sadly China and it's US-like legal system (but **ed up) has made helping people become a risk to livelihood, so less people are willing to help. I will be honest with you... That is no reason for not stopping cars and calling an ambulance... You don't even have to touch the person/child. Make sure no further harm comes, make sure help is on the way, and wait for their arrival... I would not be able to live with my self (honest) if I saw a person (especially a child of that age) dying and I just turned the other way. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 11:38 PM	#11
Louthcoombutt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	Did you ACTUALLY cry? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 11:50 PM	#12
JosephNF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	Did you ACTUALLY cry? a few tears. I didnt sob if thats what you are asking. It made me really upset that the child wasn't given a chance... Parents were careless, the drivers were careless, and the people were heartless... Imagine being in a situation like that as a child... She was helpless and no one immediately came to her aid when she needed it... It's one thing if it was an adult... I would say what a sick group of people to ignore someone in distress... But a child? Not saying life should be fair... Not saying the child would have survived (i have no idea if she would have) if she got help... But the fact that she was ignored when she was powerless/helpless... Is so sad and the thought of it happening to me... being in her shoes... is somewhat terrifying. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2011, 12:15 AM	#13
erepsysoulpfbs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	I will be honest with you... That is no reason for not stopping cars and calling an ambulance... You don't even have to touch the person/child. Make sure no further harm comes, make sure help is on the way, and wait for their arrival... I would not be able to live with my self (honest) if I saw a person (especially a child of that age) dying and I just turned the other way. Well thats the thing. When you call the police from your cell phone, you can be still sued for doing nothing if something happens to the person during the time you wait for the police. Its just as bad as being sued for doing the wrong thing while helping. Believe me, its that bad. People just try to get away from an incident just so they wont get sued. I hate it but I can understand them. In my opinion, if someone is trying to help you and while doing so worsens your situation, you still shouldnt be allowed to sue the person at all. In how many cases does that happen anyway. Most of the time any help is better than doing nothing. Edit: After watching the video, there is still no excuse for the people doing nothing. At least call an ambulance, I doubt a hospital would track your cell phone number. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2011, 12:38 AM	#14
Hinigyday Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 386 Senior Member	It´s all a bunch of bullsh!t, There are laws out there (afaik the´re called good Samaritan laws or something like that) that are there to protect the people that choose to help others, from being sued afterwards. These laws exist both in the US and Germany. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2011, 12:48 AM	#15
Cigarsstoreonline Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 336 Senior Member	Did you ACTUALLY cry? Well I did, along with having a huge sense of anger and disbelief. Maybe having a two-year-old boy enhances that, I don't know. I'm angry that not only was the driver stupid enough to run over a child when they had so much time to see her, but they ran her over again with the rear wheel a few seconds after stopping when the front wheel went over her. I've seen the uncensored video, and it's possibly one of the most gut wrenching things I've ever seen. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2011, 01:04 AM	#16
turbutbamethyg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 378 Senior Member	Wow, same thing actually happened to my father when he was living in China. Motorcyclist was hit by a bus and thrown into the road bleeding badly and he was unable to get up. My dad (who got there minutes later) was the only one to help him. Everyone else walked/drove by without even looking at him. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2011, 01:08 AM	#17
drexigordiche Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 472 Senior Member	Did you ACTUALLY cry? Your point being what exactly? Would that be a bad thing or what? It's pretty clear you think you're a bad ass. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2011, 01:11 AM	#18
Hinigyday Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 386 Senior Member	Your point being what exactly? Would that be a bad thing or what? It's pretty clear you think you're a bad ass. He´s just a little teenage c*** that gets a kick out off pissing people off, Ignore him. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2011, 06:34 AM	#19
Unergerah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	It´s all a bunch of bullsh!t, There are laws out there (afaik the´re called good Samaritan laws or something like that) that are there to protect the people that choose to help others, from being sued afterwards. These laws exist both in the US and Germany. What do the US and Germany have to do with anything? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2011, 07:51 AM	#20
Louthcoombutt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	Your point being what exactly? Would that be a bad thing or what? It's pretty clear you think you're a bad ass. He´s just a little teenage c*** that gets a kick out off pissing people off, Ignore him. Sounds like you guys put words in my mouth! Also, I'm not a teenager! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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