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Old 10-21-2006, 10:26 AM   #21
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Jon,

I in fact quit Slipper Talk, as I disagreed with Steve Topletz being kicked off... sorry, but I support friends, and I also support people who share similar interests in conservation and propagation... I infrequently visit there to see a few Paphiopedilum or Phragmipedium pictures or scour for information...

As for my research on Florida native orchids, what are you trying to make a point of? There are too many things discussed... was it I asking Zach about possibly collecting those orchid pods? How could I predict where those plants are? If they were on his property, good for me if he was willing to cooperate, and I wouldn't have to write many messages (writing in order to get straight to the point). If they weren't on his property, he could have simply corrected me... I find that to be an over-dramatic act... and the overall subject an error... and I personally find that it is a loss to Zach and everyone else, as my propagation efforts could re-populate that area in about a year.

Very interesting though, you failed to point out to me who these people are, and why they would take me as a grain of salt... of course, if it is that important to you to find a flaw with me, then keep on going... well, at least I know that I am on your mind!

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Old 10-21-2006, 10:38 AM   #22
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I wasn't referring to you leaving, as you still post there. I was referring to you losing the trust of two people who before dealing with you had no reason not to trust fellow members.

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Old 10-21-2006, 11:03 AM   #23
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Again, in the other thread 'The End of the Line', I posted the website with some information...(http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm...=rep&id=264027) it is information, and we have 2 sides... so naturally, both sides will debate with each other. My opinion is that global warming is non-existent... other's, and obviously yours Uri, are supportive that global warming exists...

I find that there are variations in climate, and we try and link everything together... this year, it was predicted by our Florida meteorologists that there will be around 10 or more hurricanes... we didn't have a one this year... yet, it was broadcasted many times on the news, and we were to expect the worse this year... it slowly died down after a while though...

And what about the Ice Age, if we can actually prove this to be ABSOLUTELY true... what, did human interaction with earth not exist enough? Did we need more caveman fires? Come on, isn't it really possible that we don't actually know what is going on with earth, assuming that global warming actually exists?

I find that Lance is not making a fool out of himself... he is someone that I personally look up to. I am reading his 2nd edition of 'The Paphiopedilum Grower's Manual', and I must say that it is very informative and of upmost value. I am disappointed that many of you have been ignorant enough to say you would disregard his book because of your prejudiced opinion upon him. I find it very foolish that that is done, yet it is your own loss for not even questioning the book constructively... instead, you jump at a single biased opinion and keep on it (I mean, if you changed opinions, then who knows WHAT might happen)... well regardless, to tell you the truth, and being a very avid Paphiopedilum grower, it is very useful, more so than Cribb's book... Lance's book speaks more in practicality and more in cultivation aspects (hence, the title of his book!)... the pictures aren't of the best quality, but the details and information about the native habitats sure make up for it (elevations and details on the months of rain are very important to know)... besides, if you are looking for pictures, I then suggest looking on the internet...

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Old 10-21-2006, 11:16 AM   #25
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I never said I disliked you, and if you presumed I was going that way I apologize. You asked why I would say people take you with a grain of salt. I gave two examples of you giving people a reason not to trust you. If you can't be trusted, you loose credibility. If you lack crediblity, you are taken with a grain of salt. Simple as that. I have no interest of going into your past with these and other members, I was just answering your question indirectly figuring you would be able to read between the lines and get the answer I said above.

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Old 10-21-2006, 11:32 AM   #26
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Old 10-21-2006, 11:45 AM   #27
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Old 10-21-2006, 04:06 PM   #28
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Pat Mahon,
I don't believe a word that comes out of your mouth, and I'm not the only one. From the ongoing trade incidents, to the "research" you do, to your "practice" descriptions in which you involve your "good friend" Olaf Gruss (without his knowledge!).

I would caution any of my friends against trusting you.
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Old 10-21-2006, 06:28 PM   #29
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Has anyone read The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery? Or have I got into this post (or end of the line post) way too late?

I don't agree with everything in his book, but there are tons of good convincing numbers in it.

And as far as conspiracy theorists go, there is a great chapter on the funding and media spinning by the right wing/fossil fuel energy anti-global warming coalition.
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Old 10-21-2006, 09:34 PM   #30
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Weather is a chaotic system. A very chaotic system. Too many variables to measure accurately and if we try to measure, the error inherent in the numerous measurements needed for the equation will accumulate making the end value far from what it should be. Also we are part of the system so we cannot measure it. The truth is no one understands global warming and if you find a reputable scientist who says they thoroughly understand it without making any conjectures they are lying. I am not saying what is or isn't contributing to it or the percentage that these aspects contribute.

Also, Evolution and global warming are far from the same thing. So to compare the knowledge of the science behind them is crazy. The better thing would be to say is global warming occuring the answer appears to be yes. Will it continue and until when-Who knows. What exactly is causing it in what proportion, too difficult to answer.
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Old 10-22-2006, 12:02 AM   #31
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Old 10-22-2006, 12:32 AM   #32
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I agree with Pahioland. Weather is a very chaotic system, and I think we really don't fully understand it.

Of course, for those of you who live in Florida (especially on the coasts), you will notice all the "expert's" commercials. These are meteorologists who have commercials on themselves with their affiliated TV company (NBC, ABC, Local news, etc.)... on these commercials, they tell you "John Smith; studying meteorology for over 30 years, and in the Bay Area for 20... he is the one you can trust...", or something along those lines. Of course, there were ranges from 10-20 hurricanes predicted for this year. We have had none. So, could it be that we really DON'T know everything about weather and things affiliated with it, but yet we try to pretend as if we really understand it?

As for college, I am not going.

And for Rush Limbaugh, I listen to his talk radio show quite a bit. He has very interesting things to say. Is it perhaps he didn't go to school that he is not liked, becuase he makes a few million bux each year...

I am really finding that almost everything discussed here is political, I notice that the majority of you are liberal, and that's basically why my views and ideas are not accepted by many...

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Old 10-23-2006, 05:53 AM   #36
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To comment on just one point...the reason this year's hurricane season was less than predicted was because an El Nino developed in the Pacific....something that scientists will agree occurs independently of global warming (although it may contribute to the intensity of its effects...but El Nino effects are not severe in the eastern US...as you can see, it improves things for us...) Take care, Eric
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