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Old 09-15-2008, 03:42 PM   #1
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Default Barack Obama's latest speech
This observation won't go over well.
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Old 09-15-2008, 04:49 PM   #2
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So we'll vote for a "joe punchclock" with 7 mansions who doesn't understand economics and his MILF VP who wonders what the job of the VP is.

The more I hear about this election the more I'm convinced that Agathon was right.
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Old 09-15-2008, 05:06 PM   #3
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Can you point out to me which one of the 4 people running for Prez/VP aren't corrupt?

It just seems bizarre to me that anyone would vote for someone based on looks or image.

Of course the dems main problem is that the "liberal" media is still talking about Palin. They have to get the media talking about Obama again.
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Old 09-15-2008, 05:21 PM   #4
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
This observation won't go over well. Why?
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Old 09-15-2008, 05:26 PM   #5
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Yeah, Palin was the cookie for the right.

Actually out of all of them, McCain is probably the least corrupt. Anyone that thinks Obama isn't tainted is dreaming.
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Old 09-15-2008, 05:40 PM   #6
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No, just as the investigation itself said.
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Old 09-15-2008, 05:57 PM   #7
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"Poor judgement" has nothing to do with absolution, which was complete.

The fact that not a single Democratic muck raker of note has really even touched this should surfice to prove what a non issue this is.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:13 PM   #8
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The Senate cleans up after its own. Let's be honest here: the assertion that McCain is less corrupt than Obama is totally without basis (note that I'm not asserting the opposite). And if your standard is legal censure, then McCain is more corrupt. I haven't commented on corruption at all, only your mischaracterization of the Keating 5 thing. As a mater of recorded legal fact, there was no legal censure of McCain at all, and he recieved a complete absolution of wrong doing.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:24 PM   #9
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Patroklos is hurting my head again.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:28 PM   #10
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As long as McCain is in charge I don't think blood will lightly be spilled.

The problem is: how long is the old cracker going to live?

Because I don't trust the ***** for a dime. Rightwing religo- nutjobs tend to have a very cavalier attitude about life.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:30 PM   #11
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Even Obama admitted "POOR JUDGEMENT" over his dealings with Rezco (on the land deal). So if poor judgement is the standard, Obama doesn't pass that one either. He's lucky the press gave him a free pass on his fund rasing, since he's changed his story multiple time on that one.
And anybody that believe any chicago politician is pure as the driven snow, needs a new brain.
Obama didn't come from a wealthy background. Think of the deals he must have made to get where he is today. But as every one comes to the surface, it's just tagged as poor judgement.

So if in all of his years, McCain has one poor judgement, and Obama in many fewer years has more, McCain wins that one.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:33 PM   #12
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No, he was not given an absolution. That's ludicrous. Again, he was reprimanded by the Senate Ethics Cmte for poor judgment. Reprimanded? Really? Is that official? What legal status does that have? Do you get a certificate or something? Does it go into any official record? Does it mean anything?

It was a inconsequetial comment with no legal standing/consequence in a finding paper that did not in any way assign wrong doing to McCain, either legal or otherwise. The investigation did one official thing and one official thing only in regards to McCain; absolve him of all wrong doing.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:36 PM   #13
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It was a inconsequetial comment with no legal standing/consequence in a finding paper that did not in any way assign wrong doing to McCain, either legal or otherwise. Period.

My point, once more, is if that's the standard for corruption, Obama's even cleaner than McCain.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:41 PM   #14
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My point, once more, is if that's the standard for corruption, Obama's even cleaner than McCain. Poor Judgement /= Corruption.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:43 PM   #15
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Originally posted by MrFun
So working-class Americans are dumb enough to believe that a multi-millionaire oil tycoon like George W. Bush is your average everday joe just like themselves? Because the're both authoritarian idiots.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:45 PM   #16
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Two of Obama's good friends are in Jail for corruption and influence peddling. Don't worry, Obama didn't know anything about it.
Let's ask Obama one more time how much money they raised for him. I'm sure he can change his answer once again when you tell him it's more.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:49 PM   #17
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As I said, I don't have any illusions about Obama. You certainly to seem to have some about McCain. Everyone who's successful in national politics is greasy.
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Old 09-15-2008, 06:52 PM   #18
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Originally posted by rah
I didn't say I had illusions, I claimed that he was probably the least corrupt. That doesn't mean much. Anyway, people sometimes get away clean.
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:09 PM   #19
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Originally posted by rah
and what's your point? I don't think it helps to say that someone is least corrupt. Corrupt is corrupt. They both look for oportunities that they can get away with. McCain is the bigger hypocrite though. People who don't understand that probably think he's less corrupt.
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:17 PM   #20
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dream on dude
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