[wmzeto]

No 3G? Then it wont sell at all in Japan. I heard that only 3G phones work in Japan.

We don't know it won't have 3G (Apple did say they would add it latter) and the Europe launch isn't until Christmas, with Asia a few months after that.

It seems that the reason they didn't add 3G to the US version is that the current chips drain too much power and if you can pick up 3G, you are in a big city and chances are you are not far from a wireless hotspot.

[sciectotacype17]

First, everyone bitching about no 3G needs to remember that it’s fairly useless in the United States right now! Major markets do have 3G right now but everywhere else is still EDGE since its well, nation wide! If Verizon had agreed to Apple’s changes and contracted with them for the iPhone there might have been a much greater chance that it would have been EVDO (3G) however, when you have a network that is mostly EDGE, I would rather the phone be geared towards EDGE and not 3G. It’ll probably be a year if not more before AT&T has a nation wide 3G network and I’m sure by then we’ll see a second gen iPhone that supports that network.

Second, if the battery life really is what they claim, then it’ll probably last all day with normal use without running out and when you travel on an airplane or car you’ll use a mobile charger. Most people have access to a power outlet at the office, a car charger while driving to the office or back or what not, or one at home. In reality the battery life probably will not be a problem unless you plan to camp out in the wilderness for two or three days, and then you could buy a small solar charger to charge cell phones and mp3 players and what not.

There probably will not be a huge problem with the sealed battery either, my iPod hasn’t had any battery problems and hell, my cell phones WITH replaceable batteries haven’t ever needed the battery replaced before I have upgraded or the phone has broken.

These really are all small problems that people are bitching about, in day to day use 90% of people probably will not run into problems with that kind of stuff. I’ll be one of the first to bitch about it if once I have my iphone I have these kind of problems but I doubt I will.

Everyone also needs to remember that this phone is geared to the US market. It will be sold global but the main target is the home market, the US. In the US this is a huge jump for phones, huge jump. You UK guys keep tossing out “well this phone is better” but when it comes down to it we don’t have it over here, or if we do it’s like $700 because we have to buy it unlocked. I also can’t understand the people that complain about now being able to carry around extra memory cards! Eight gigs is a lot of space and I don’t want to carry around four or five little memory cards with my cell phone, I want one simple all in one device and that’s exactly what the phone is.

It’s not perfect, I’ll give you that, if it was perfect it would do everything under the sun and last for days on end before being charged again, but, when compared to other phones, it looks freaking amazing and probably will make most buyers very happy.

It’s also amazing how much Apple has changed the cell phone world. Being able to sign up for service via iTunes (watch the video, it looks very clean and simple, better then Sprint.com or Verizon’s site or what not) and being able to activate the phone from home is very nice! It’s these kinds of things that will slowly change the market and the phone plans are even geared to be simple to understand with included data and text messages. You basically just pick how many minutes you want and you’re done, not adding twenty different packages to it. I think it’s a good jump in a nice clean streamlined direction.

[fuslssdfaa]

no replaceable battery is crap especially if they expect people to use this thing for music and voice.

no broadband network is crap - edge network is dialup at best.

what is it? 400 bucks for a 4gig or so? 600 for an 8 gig? what are you going to do when you need more space? Can't buy an expansion card so guess what - take it to the store and pay $600 for 4 more gigs.

then on top of that there's itunes - and everybody that knows anything about apple and their digital rights management avoids it like the plague.

For the price you can get a top tier cell phone and a dedicated mp3 player and have far more reliability and versatility than this POS or even a Blackberry, Treo or some other smartphone that will work on a broadband network.

[sciectotacype17]

no replaceable battery is crap especially if they expect people to use this thing for music and voice.

I don't think it'll be that much of a deal if the battery claims are really true, people probably charge their cells at work or at home so you really 90% of the time only go four or maybe five hours between charges and you probably can listen to music for three hours solid and still have a couple hours of talk time. As someone coming from a CDMA phone that did like 3 hours talk time I'll probably not see any difference in using the iPhone as a phone and an mp3 player. Anyway, I'll give everyone battery updates as I go with the phone!

no broadband network is crap - edge network is dialup at best.

Again this isn't really an issue at all. Having a fancy 3G chip isn't really worth anything if you LIVE in an EDGE area. Most of the US isn't 3G with ATT yet and like I said, I bet it'll be at LEAST a full year if not more before it's network wide. Yes 3G is great if you live in Seattle or LA or New York, but even then if you head outside the city you'll probably find yourself back on EDGE. This isn't a problem with the phone (besides not being future proof, but face it, if you're into high end phones you probably upgrade between once and twice a year) it's more of a problem with ATT and Verizon was Apple's first pick, go bitch to them for saying "no" to Apple and making Apple pick someone else with a network that's not so data focused.

what is it? 400 bucks for a 4gig or so? 600 for an 8 gig? what are you going to do when you need more space? Can't buy an expansion card so guess what - take it to the store and pay $600 for 4 more gigs.

Again, this device is about being simple! No one wants to carry around three memory cards AND a cell phone and trying to remember what songs are on what cards, etc. The iPhone is pretty much the same price as a blackberry and an iPod, yet it's once device. So four Gigs is about the same price as a 4Gig Nano and a Smart Phone, if you want eight Gigs it's not $600, it's just $100 more then the 4Gig but double the space. It's just like with iPod and that's what this phone targets, iPod users!

then on top of that there's itunes - and everybody that knows anything about apple and their digital rights management avoids it like the plague.

I like iTunes and I'm even on Windows! The Mac guys must LOVE iTunes since I know it runs even better on Macs. The iTunes store seems pretty nice and has a decent amount of songs on there and now is even offering DRM free songs. Plus, iPhone is going to take any song you rip into mp3 format, it doesn't need to come from iTunes. This again is a non issue. If you're too pissy to even install iTunes then don't buy the phone but don't bitch about it. iTunes works well for what it needs to do, photos, videos, TV shows, music, all on the iPod or iPhone. That's all you are required to use it for and it handles that stuff really well. If you want WinAMP to listen to music or something then use that!

For the price you can get a top tier cell phone and a dedicated mp3 player and have far more reliability and versatility than this POS or even a Blackberry, Treo or some other smartphone that will work on a broadband network.

I have an iPod and a Cell phone. I don't want TWO devices. I carry my Oakley sunglasses around, wallet, keys, and cell phone. Half the time I leave my iPod at home because it's just one too many devices! Now if I can get a rocking phone and the iPod in one unit I'll always have my phone and music with me. It doesn't need to hold every song under the sun, just a couple CD's worth for when I'm driving or walking somewhere or something and maybe a few TV episodes for when I have an hour to kill between classes or not. Again, how often are you at your PC, probably once a day, that's more then enough to drop two or three new TV episodes on the iPhone and if you watch more then three TV episodes on the phone every day, get an Fing TV man!

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[Charryith]

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Originally Posted by enediol
no replaceable battery is crap especially if they expect people to use this thing for music and voice.

I don't think it'll be that much of a deal if the battery claims are really true, people probably charge their cells at work or at home so you really 90% of the time only go four or maybe five hours between charges and you probably can listen to music for three hours solid and still have a couple hours of talk time. As someone coming from a CDMA phone that did like 3 hours talk time I'll probably not see any difference in using the iPhone as a phone and an mp3 player. Anyway, I'll give everyone battery updates as I go with the phone!



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Thing is, I hate having to take a charger to work - Just because some people have the ability to charge a phone up every couple of hours, it doesn't mean you should need to or want to. I have to charge my Prada every other day and even that's still a bit annoying sometimes. This isn't me moaning about the iPHONE, just a comment about the charging thing - i.e. Charging is annoying as hell and I wanna have to do it as little as possible [thumbup]

[Enrobrorb]

Not being able to replace the battery has surely got to be a major issue. Typically my mobile batteries only last 6 months or so, from the sparadic charging before they start to exhibit shorter life spans.

I now favour the method of always having one battery on charge while the other is in the phone, then when the phones dead I swap the batteries. Just not possible on the iphone.

For me to get one, they'd need to address that issue, also make one that isn't as bit. Size of a nano with less features (phone + music + email / web) would be all I care about. Who watches movies on a phone anyhow?

[Angry White American]

Thing is, I hate having to take a charger to work - Just because some people have the ability to charge a phone up every couple of hours, it doesn't mean you should need to or want to. I have to charge my Prada every other day and even that's still a bit annoying sometimes. This isn't me moaning about the iPHONE, just a comment about the charging thing - i.e. Charging is annoying as hell and I wanna have to do it as little as possible [thumbup]

How are you finding the Prada phone? Looking into getting it as my upgrade at the end of my contract in just over a months time.

[Edisesyethisp]

No change bat, mem or ability to put ya fave mp3 as a ring tone

wtf is up with that

[wmzeto]

No change bat, mem or ability to put ya fave mp3 as a ring tone

wtf is up with that

Well the ring tone thing is because of the way Cell networks like to do business, e.g. screw people out of every last cent. Many other phones do it in this country and the US.

You can put your favourite song as a ring tone, but you have to buy the ring tone version of it.