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Old 07-24-2012, 10:23 PM   #1
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Default More evidence that a woman's word is sacred in court
What motivation would these women have to lie about it?
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:12 PM   #2
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Let's not forget the recent Brian Banks ordeal. The alleged victim admitted 10 years later that she lied for profit.
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:18 PM   #3
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Al, You should definitely bring this up on your next date

"So what do you do in your free time?"
"I get mad at women for hypothetically lying about being raped"
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:19 PM   #4
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"During jury selection, Assistant District Attorney Jill Tontz asked potential jurors if they would be able to convict someone if there were no physical evidence, such as DNA or fingerprints, and no injuries were suffered during an alleged assault." American legal system... how does it work?
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:20 PM   #5
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He also serves a life sentence as a sex offender.

Not saying he didn't do it, but that would really up the ante if I were on a jury.
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:35 PM   #6
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Woman is horny
Woman has sexual relations
Woman doesn't want to be called a slut/doesn't like the sexual relations
Woman lies about rape


Not seeing how a woman wouldn't lie...
You can't see any reason why she wouldn't want to go to trial in an attempt to put an innocent person in prison? Like the massive hassle of going to trial, the risk that people won't believe her, and the guilt from putting an innocent person in jail? All that just so no one will call her a slut when probably no one cared about it until she claimed it was rape? Really?

Oh, even better, "the sex was terrible so I'm going to accuse you of rape". Yeah that's realistic.
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:54 PM   #7
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You can't see any reason why she wouldn't want to go to trial in an attempt to put an innocent person in prison? Like the massive hassle of going to trial, the risk that people won't believe her, and the guilt from putting an innocent person in jail? All that just so no one will call her a slut when probably no one cared about it until she claimed it was rape? Really?

Oh, even better, "the sex was terrible so I'm going to accuse you of rape". Yeah that's realistic.
Tell that to Brian Banks. Tell him and his accuser who admitted lying (and faced no charges for doing so) that it's not realistic.
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:19 AM   #8
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Edit: Question answered
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:22 AM   #9
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the vagaries of a jury trial, ineptitude of the defending lawyer, the defendant was a jackass, judge is a man hating dyke who swung the case the prosecutor's way, the fact that multiple women came forward with similar stories. Could be any, all of those things.
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Old 07-25-2012, 01:37 AM   #10
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Typical of Alby -- drawing massive, blanket conclusions based on a single anecdotal incident.
In his world, the fact that one guy gets falsely convicted of rape = all women claiming rape are liars and sluts.

Seriously, buy some perspective, man. I think they sell it on the Internet.
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:34 AM   #11
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Of course all you twit laymen are missing the real problem in the case, the photo identification with no other corroboration. If combined with less than stellar procedure for the photo line up, and this "police showed them a photo of the Cowboys basketball team" if accurate, indicates piss poor procedure, generates a large majority of false convictions. Damn near every false conviction uncovered in Texas was made this way, and a large portion of those rape and sexual assault cases. A state commission has been cracking down on unreliable evidence procedure such as this for a few years.
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:00 AM   #12
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Even in this case it's not one woman giving evidence but two of a similar act at the same party, neither of whom appears to have known the other.


Of course all you twit laymen are missing the real problem in the case, the photo identification with no other corroboration. If combined with less than stellar procedure for the photo line up, and this "police showed them a photo of the Cowboys basketball team" if accurate, indicates piss poor procedure, generates a large majority of false convictions. Damn near every false conviction uncovered in Texas was made this way, and a large portion of those rape and sexual assault cases. A state commission has been cracking down on unreliable evidence procedure such as this for a few years.


the ID procedure is not unsound if it was known that basketball players from that team were at the party-and he was at the party, he seems to admit that. There's no express admission of that in the article but he did give a statement to police that he didn't know what happened in the basement where this allegedly occurred. Most likely that's the case because he admitted to being at the party itself but denied being in the basement.
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:09 AM   #13
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I can't judge any of them because I don't know what happened. I just hope the truth comes out and they punished the right person.
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:58 PM   #14
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the rape conviction rates (if you take into account those cases that don't go to trial) suggests that a woman's word is worth almost nothing in court and even with enough other evidence to go to court the conviction rates are low.
Explain this case, then. Explain Brian Banks. Explain what appears to keep happening.

And it's not that these are high profile cases. These are stories broke by ESPN because the defendants were athletes. What about all the stories that ESPN doesn't report on?
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:47 PM   #15
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It's not as bad as you think, Al. The majority of made-up rapes go unreported.
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:37 PM   #16
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Which do you consider to be the greater problem, and to what extent do the problems differ in magnitude: rape, or false accusations of rape.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:32 PM   #17
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Which do you consider to be the greater problem, and to what extent do the problems differ in magnitude: rape, or false accusations of rape.
If every false accusation of rape ended up in a conviction, then it would be 'rape of an innocent' versus 'imprisoning an innocent'.

I think the latter is actually worse.

JM
(Not to defend Alby's position.)
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:51 PM   #18
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I'm pretty sure no one here supports the jailing of innocents.
Jailing them will preserve their innocence. Jailing innocents
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:58 PM   #19
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The jury will come into the court-room with their own biases. Those biases are most definitely against the man.
Do the figures back that up?

In the UK of all cases that go to court the conviction rate is 57%, for rape it's 58%. ie. Rape prosecutions are pretty much the average conviction rate. So no evidence of bias against the rapist there.

What are the US figures?
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:20 PM   #20
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My question is where was the evidence of conviction?

Last time I posted a thread on the Brian Banks case, I was told that the conviction rate for rape is low because a lot of cases wind up as 'he said, she said' without any evidence.

Here, there was no evidence but 'she said'. And yet, conviction.

Explain please.
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1. In any given case anything an freaking happen and it's impossible to design a justice system where some errors will not be made. It's not just rape cases as DNA reversed murder cases and witnesses and evidence can be mistaken or misunderstood in any type of case. We set the bar as beyond all reasonable doubt and judges hammer that home .... Lots of guilty go free because of that standard

2. In a rape case the evidence is often he said she said but a rape trial is a gruelling thing for an accuser/victim where you know a trained defense attorney will try to portray her as drunk, stoned, mistaken , lying ***** ice queen, slut, or whatever else will damage her credibility. Before that the police and prosecutors will generally have been over her story with a fine tooth comb looking for the problems with her credibility too. Those folks are generally busy folks with no desire to push forward anything that isn't real.


3. Here I understand that a jury heard at least two unrelated women tell a similar story about the same night. To most juries, and to most reasonable people generally, if you hear the exact same account from two different eyewitness sources with no connection or collaboration, you become reasonably certain that it's factual and accurate,


Of course there are some liars out there. But sometimes there is no lie and a jury believes a victim because she is telling the simple truth. And a jury's empowered to find a witness credible. In that case if they believe testimony, they may convict. In this case, even If the accused did the act, he would have been far more likely to get away with it if there was only one accusing witness. With two accusers, his chances were slim unless he had SOMETHING big in his favor
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