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Old 08-22-2012, 07:49 PM   #21
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I don't see a problem with finding a measurable way to cap things, but when the USGA starts reacting to perceived issues they seem to do stupid things.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:49 PM   #22
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In my line of work one of the first things I ask my client is "What's the problem you are trying to solve?" Often times we find the proposed solution isn't aligned very closely to the actual problem and that creates frustration, additional problems and other unintended consequences. The totality of the result can be worse than where you started from. In this case I don't know that I really understand the answer to that question so it is hard to assess the propriety of rolling back the ball.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:51 PM   #23
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Am I the only one that has a problem with punishing the company that innovates and advances golf balls?? I don't care if shorter courses can't lengthen out. I play a 9 hole course that is 2150 yards long. If the ball flies too far, then I simply club down. I don't blame the course for not lengthening. I've played a handful of shorter muni courses this year, and I simply teed off with a lot of irons as opposed to driver or 3-wood. In my opinion, the skill required to get par is largely the same.

Also, if you want to see ratings drop for golf on TV, the USGA probably should take away the long drives.

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Good point. Take the US Open, you didn't see the long knockers dominate that tournament. If a course is short then make hitting the fairway a premium. Grow the rough out, tighten the fairways, shrink the greens etc etc.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:54 PM   #24
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Don't know about this idea


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Old 08-22-2012, 07:54 PM   #25
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In my line of work one of the first things I ask my client is "What's the problem you are trying to solve?" Often times we find the proposed solution isn't aligned very closely to the actual problem and that creates frustration, additional problems and other unintended consequences. The totality of the result can be worse than where you started from. In this case I don't know that I really understand the answer to that question so it is hard to assess the propriety of rolling back the ball.
That's what I struggle with. Where's the problem? Guys hit the ball far, but a good course will still leave them out there working hard to shoot par. It's not just length that makes them struggle either.

Golf, especially professional golf, is entertainment for god's sake. Not some holy grail of purity. If it was I suppose that they should just go all in and make sure to really ruin it.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:57 PM   #26
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As long as they don't change for me, I'm okay with that. I need all the help I can get.
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:01 PM   #27
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With all the technological advances it seems counter intuitive to roll everything back. Scores are dropping, but is that really a bad thing? Courses can make the course harder if needed, but to just throw away what has been done in the last few years, seems wrong. Maybe make the balls less forgiving, less "straight correction factor" as I call it, maybe make the balls less forgiving/spin able, to put a premium on club selection and accuracy? but just making the pros hit it longer is pointless. They have no issue hitting long clubs as the do short clubs.

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Old 08-22-2012, 08:01 PM   #28
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Good point. Take the US Open, you didn't see the long knockers dominate that tournament. If a course is short then make hitting the fairway a premium. Grow the rough out, tighten the fairways, shrink the greens etc etc.
The toughest course I've ever played was short, had lots of severe dog legs, and required precise shot placement. It was not abnormal to tee off with a 7 iron on a par 4 and end up having 6 iron into the green. That was how the course had to be played unless you wanted to risk slicing a ball around the corner of the trees and dogleg.

I just don't understand what 'problem' they are trying to solve? If they are doing it for the golf courses then I have two issues with it. One, the USGA should not be interfering with a free market of people choosing whatever golf courses they want to play, whether it is short or long. That is just my flat out personal opinion. I hate our supposed free market to be regulated to make it 'fair' for everyone. Two, I am willing to bet that the 'shorter' golf courses have seen no significant difference in revenue, or at least number of customers, now versus 10 years ago.

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Old 08-22-2012, 08:09 PM   #29
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With all the technological advances it seems counter intuitive to roll everything back. Scores are dropping, but is that really a bad thing? Courses can make the course harder if needed, but to just throw away what has been done in the last few years, seems wrong. Maybe make the balls less forgiving, less "straight correction factor" as I call it, maybe make the balls less forgiving/spin able, to put a premium on club selection and accuracy? but just making the pros hit it longer is pointless. They have no issue hitting long clubs as the do short clubs.

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Scores dropping, yes and no. I don't see records being set at every tour event, especially when they stop at shorter courses like Harbour Town, Greenbriar etc.
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:15 PM   #30
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i don't believe this is in the best interest for the amateur golfer, to be honest, the amateur golfer might see as much of a 4-5 club difference into greens if they're in the rough...buzzkillington all the way.
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