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Old 07-24-2012, 10:02 PM   #1
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Default Masha'ikh advice needed - dr76, FususalHikam, silat, sudoku others...



What a'mal do the Masha'ikh of Tazkiyyah recommend for a person who gets hot after doing certain amounts of Dhikr?


I asked my dad about it and he said they recommend lots of salawat and istighfar, but more salawat. He didn't give any exact amount or tartib, though.


So my question is, are there any specific formulas or tartib for such a condition?


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Sorry I can't help regarding your question, but I was just curious after reading your post.

I know this sounds really stupid, but does/can dhikr have that kind of effect? I ask because I don't have a shaykh, but I have been thinking about getting advice on how to do dhikr effectively without getting into a tariqah etc. I just feel at the moment that all my ibaadah (salah, dhikr,salawat, istighfar, qur'an) are devoid of any impact, because I don't have focus, prescence of heart etc. and it feels like I'm just going through the motions. So any recommendations in that regard will be much appreciated.



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Old 07-25-2012, 04:49 AM   #3
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What a'mal do the Masha'ikh of Tazkiyyah recommend for a person who gets hot after doing certain amounts of Dhikr?


I asked my dad about it and he said they recommend lots of salawat and istighfar, but more salawat. He didn't give any exact amount or tartib, though.


So my question is, are there any specific formulas or tartib for such a condition?




Firstly.. plz dont club me with the mashaikh.. i may reply only from the little read here and there..

There are a few questions to begin with..

1. are u bait to anyone.. if yes then kindly write ur condition to ur respected shaikh..

2. if no.. then what zikr have u done and what amount..

( if possible plz remove my name from the above list )

duas..

wa assalam..
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Sorry I can't help regarding your question, but I was just curious after reading your post.

I know this sounds really stupid, but does/can dhikr have that kind of effect? I ask because I don't have a shaykh, but I have been thinking about getting advice on how to do dhikr effectively without getting into a tariqah etc. I just feel at the moment that all my ibaadah (salah, dhikr,salawat, istighfar, qur'an) are devoid of any impact, because I don't have focus, prescence of heart etc. and it feels like I'm just going through the motions. So any recommendations in that regard will be much appreciated.





1) Example of Effect of Zikr...

I dont remember the source of the incident.. so im quoting from Bro Abu Aliya's post..( Mureed of Hazrat Shaikh Asif Hussain Farooqi sb db)

" My shaykh once stated, Shaykh Abul Hassan Khurqani rahmtullah alayhi was once talking about the virtues of making dhikr of the name of 'Allah'. In his majlis was Ibn Sina - the physician, who interupted the talk and questioned him by saying, "How can just by saying 'Allah, Allah' have an effect?"

Hadhrat Abul Hassan Khurqani rahmtullah alayhi said, "Silence! You Donkey!"

Ibn Sina's face became red, his nostrils flared with anger and he began to sweat profusely.

Hadhrat Abul Hassan Khurqani rahmtullah alayhi then said, "What's wrong? See for yourself, what the word 'donkey' has done to you. Just imagine the effects of the blessed word 'Allah' would do to you."

2) The second part of ur question..

A house when kept locked away for a long time.. with windows open.. shall gradually begin to gather dust.. then with passing of time cobwebs begin to spin .. then insects that were hidden in crevices begin to crawl about freely.. then over a time pigeons make nest so do other animals find their way in.. then years roll by and creepers begin to grow on the walls gradually setting the pace for its ruin...

this is exactly what goes on in a heart that is devoid of the remembrance of Allah .. his ghair finds way through the many open windows.. dust blows in through his eyes when they are cast at ghair Mahram.. so does the filth of haram food that gushes forth through the arteries.. and the insects of haram thoughts gather within either through ears by listening to music.. or through other senses..

now this heart is just like the house above.. dark and in ruins..

so to repair the house we have to unlock it first and switch on the lights to asses the damage..

This is very much possible in salah.. and it acts like a halogen bulb.. the moment u fold hands on Takbir.. the inner bulb switches on by itself.. and whatever was stuffed inside shall appear in front as thoughts.. the sins a person would so fondly engage in shall stand rt there before him.. and may Allah save us all a million times.. it would be the same condition before death.. witholding the kalima tayyiba.. unless the person repents..

The death of a person many a times testifies the life he lived..

and thats the reason we see these blessed people dying so in sujood.. while reading Qur'an.. doing zikr.. while fighting in the way of Allah .. thier faces tell the condition of their hearts before death..

so dear bro.. the crux of the matter is always the heart.. as in the famous Hadith of our beloved Prophet .. so its a serious affair bro.. and yes it shall be cleaned by the rememberance of Allah .. and fortified by a life on sunnah.. but for that reason a heart specialist is required.. and that is the Shaikh..

there is never a hurry for bayat as Islahi Ta'alluq could be kept even without initiation in a tareeqa.. just find someone who is strict on kitab and sunnah.. repent seriously .. and there u go..

duas..

wa assalam..
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:55 AM   #5
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Firstly.. plz dont club me with the mashaikh.. i may reply only from the little read here and there..

There are a few questions to begin with..

1. are u bait to anyone.. if yes then kindly write ur condition to ur respected shaikh..

2. if no.. then what zikr have u done and what amount..

( if possible plz remove my name from the above list )

duas..

wa assalam..
Excuse the bad English and possible misleading thread title. What I meant is since you and the other sf members are connected to the Masha'ikh, do you, or anyone else know what these Masha'ikh recommend for the above problem? Not necessarily that you all are from the Masha'ikh, even though that's up for debate.


1. No

2. 100x morning and evening Subahanallah, Alhamdulillah, Laa ilaaha illallah, Allahu akbar, istighfar, salat alan Nabi. Momin ka Hathiyar (a Du'a book by M. Yunus Palanpuri ) mostly in the mornings. The Two priceless treasures wazifahs by Hakeem Muhammad Tariq Mehmood after the fard salah. Around 10 juzz in or outside salah. More or less.

Problem is I have a schedule for Ramadhan and if I get sick (maybe as a result of of my head getting hot), I won't reach my goal and I'll miss out on A'mal
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:08 AM   #6
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Excuse the bad English and possible misleading thread title. What I meant is since you and the other sf members are connected to the Masha'ikh, do you, or anyone else know what these Masha'ikh recommend for the above problem. Not necessarily that you all from the Masha'ikh, even though that's up for debate.


1. No

2. 100x morning and evening Subahanallah, Alhamdulillah, Laa ilaaha illallah, Allahu akbar, istighfar, salat alan Nabi. Momin ka Hathiyar (a Du'a book by M. Yunus Palanpuri ) mostly in the mornings. The Two priceless treasures wazifahs by Hakeem Muhammad Tariq Mehmood after the fard salah. Around 10 juzz in or outside salah. More or less.

Problem is I have a schedule for Ramadhan and if I get sick (maybe as a result of of my head getting hot), I won't reach my goal and I'll miss out on A'mal


if possible u can cut 'momin ka hathyar' and 'two priceless treasures' for the time being.. add Durood- one thousand ( shortest and of ur choice) and istighfar - a thousand (shortest possible).. of course shaikh fusoos would be the best person to answer.. just my opinion..

duas..

wa assalam..
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:26 AM   #7
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if possible u can cut 'momin ka hathyar' and 'two priceless treasures' for the time being.. add Durood- one thousand ( shortest and of ur choice) and istighfar - a thousand (shortest possible).. of course shaikh fusoos would be the best person to answer.. just my opinion..

duas..

wa assalam..
Ok. I'll wait for him. I really appreciate it. .
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:45 AM   #8
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Sorry I can't help regarding your question, but I was just curious after reading your post.

I know this sounds really stupid, but does/can dhikr have that kind of effect? I ask because I don't have a shaykh, but I have been thinking about getting advice on how to do dhikr effectively without getting into a tariqah etc. I just feel at the moment that all my ibaadah (salah, dhikr,salawat, istighfar, qur'an) are devoid of any impact, because I don't have focus, prescence of heart etc. and it feels like I'm just going through the motions. So any recommendations in that regard will be much appreciated.





Muraqabah is very effective and does not necessitate taking bayah first. There's some good advice on how to do the Naqshbandi Muraqabah effectively in the following talk:

http://www.sacredlearning.org/audio/..._muraqabah.mp3

As with all forms of exercise adopted to improve a particular aspect of life, a set amount done puntually and with consistency delivers the best results.

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Old 07-25-2012, 08:28 AM   #9
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Muraqabah is very effective and does not necessitate taking bayah first. There's some good advice on how to do the Naqshbandi Muraqabah effectively in the following talk:

http://www.sacredlearning.org/audio/..._muraqabah.mp3


As with all forms of exercise adopted to improve a particular aspect of life, a set amount done puntually and with consistency delivers the best results.



brother and dr76 also.
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Old 07-25-2012, 10:30 AM   #10
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2) The second part of ur question..

A house when kept locked away for a long time.. with windows open.. shall gradually begin to gather dust.. then with passing of time cobwebs begin to spin .. then insects that were hidden in crevices begin to crawl about freely.. then over a time pigeons make nest so do other animals find their way in.. then years roll by and creepers begin to grow on the walls gradually setting the pace for its ruin...

this is exactly what goes on in a heart that is devoid of the remembrance of Allah .. his ghair finds way through the many open windows.. dust blows in through his eyes when they are cast at ghair Mahram.. so does the filth of haram food that gushes forth through the arteries.. and the insects of haram thoughts gather within either through ears by listening to music.. or through other senses..

now this heart is just like the house above.. dark and in ruins..

so to repair the house we have to unlock it first and switch on the lights to asses the damage..

This is very much possible in salah.. and it acts like a halogen bulb.. the moment u fold hands on Takbir.. the inner bulb switches on by itself.. and whatever was stuffed inside shall appear in front as thoughts.. the sins a person would so fondly engage in shall stand rt there before him.. and may Allah save us all a million times.. it would be the same condition before death.. witholding the kalima tayyiba.. unless the person repents..

The death of a person many a times testifies the life he lived..

and thats the reason we see these blessed people dying so in sujood.. while reading Qur'an.. doing zikr.. while fighting in the way of Allah .. thier faces tell the condition of their hearts before death..

so dear bro.. the crux of the matter is always the heart.. as in the famous Hadith of our beloved Prophet .. so its a serious affair bro.. and yes it shall be cleaned by the rememberance of Allah .. and fortified by a life on sunnah.. but for that reason a heart specialist is required.. and that is the Shaikh..

there is never a hurry for bayat as Islahi Ta'alluq could be kept even without initiation in a tareeqa.. just find someone who is strict on kitab and sunnah.. repent seriously .. and there u go..

duas..

wa assalam..
Assalam o Alaikum.

This is an excellant way of explaining this , jazakallah khair hazrat.

Is it not better to stick to masnoon aamal only when one is noy bayat to some one? yes one can increase darood shareef as much as possible.
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Muraqabah is very effective and does not necessitate taking bayah first. There's some good advice on how to do the Naqshbandi Muraqabah effectively in the following talk:

http://www.sacredlearning.org/audio/..._muraqabah.mp3


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Old 07-25-2012, 03:04 PM   #12
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Brother,ZIKRE is done for a purpose,in case of Mashaikh the purpose is basically to attain the quality of Ehsan....in case of commoners like us the purpose would be to gain Ajar...and indeed gaining closeness to Allah swt.Masnoon Azkar would be ideal for those who are not connected to a Shaikh,and inshaAllah those who perform Masnoon Azkar would be safe from any kind of side effects.
In my humble opinion if you stick to the tasbeehat ( Durood,astaghfar,Kalima tamjeed),these should be enough for you....and I don,t see any reason why should it cause feeling of heat or any other such phenomena.Secondly,there might be no need to do ZIKRE in big numbers. just one Tasbeeh of the above mentioned morning and evening is good enough.The concept of ZIKRE in Islam is not just limited to tasbeehat,any act of virtue is included in ZIKRE....and similarly,each time one refrains from a Sin is included in ZIKRE......as ZIKRE in it's essence is "Remembering Allah swt".Similarly with keeping our intention pure and right,we can convert even our worldly affairs into highest forms of ZIKRE.As an example,we leave our homes for work every morning,if we make an intention of earning Rizq e halal ( which is termed FARDH after FARAEDH according to a Hadeeth), we are actually busy in one of the highest form of ZIKRE according to Sharia,although apparently we might be involved in dunya.Similarly if we make an additional intention of trying to support our family,that will add further ajar,as according to Sharia the best Sadaqa is to earn Rizq for your own family.....and so on.Keep making good intentions through out the day....and be in the highest grades of Zakireen,even when you are busy in Dunya.
Similarly,according to our Mashaikh,through out the day,all our life we pass through certain situations regularly where either we need to do Sabr(when things are not according to our liking) or shukur( When all goes well for us) or we are unfortunately involved in Sins,for which we are supposed to be sorry and do astaghfar,or we are scared of a certain impending situation or even the mischief of our own Nafs and Shaytan and we feel a strong urge to come under protection of our Lord....and therefore we seek protection of Allah.......All these acts are such that the moment we get taufeeq of it,we immediately get connected to Allah swt.....and as such situations are part of our life we remain connected to Allah swt through out the day,all our life.May Allah give us taufeeq to be amongst true Zakireen.
One important aspect of ZIKRE is modification of our behaviour according to the liking of our Lord Swt,for example,when we rise up in the morning,we look around us,and start counting the blessings of Allah swt on....and around us...and as a result our hearts fill with love and gratitude for Allah swt....that is one of the best state of mind a Momen can be....as Eeman is basically recognition and Kufr,in it's essence is ungratefulness.
I hope you find these few scattered points from an ignorant person like me helpful,inshaAllah.
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:18 PM   #13
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Assalam o Alaikum.

This is an excellant way of explaining this , jazakallah khair hazrat.

Is it not better to stick to masnoon aamal only when one is noy bayat to some one? yes one can increase darood shareef as much as possible.


Yes ur absolutely right in saying that.. this foolish fellow once many years back when he began reading books of Tasawwuf started some ashghal by himself.. such that i began to experience some extraordinary stuff.. ( which i may not disclose).. then i learnt of a prominent shaikh at my town and approached him for bayat..

upon hearing me the first advice he gave was to stop all these ashghal at once.. and stick to masnoon amal.. also he did not accept bayat from me ( i still dont know why) and said that islah is important and bayat can come later..

so this islahi Ta'alluq continued for about 15 yrs summa Alhamdulillah.. without any bayat.. till i did bayat to my current shaikh just 4 yrs back.. the name of this Shaikh of Islahi Ta'alluq is Hazrat Dr. Ali sahab Malpa db( Khalifa of both Hazrat Maulana Shah Wasiullah sahab Ilahabadi and Hazrat Maulana Shah Abrar ul Haq sahab hardoi )..

i would press him at times when over the years i grew very close to him to give me some azkar and asghal.. he would simply say do patients demand any particular medicine at a doctors clinic or they remain quite and adhere to his advice..

so yess.. our Mashaikh do not feed Biryani of Azkar and Asghal to a child.. as he obviously deserves milk.. just like cleaning the house first in the above example is primary.. polishing and decoration comes in much later..

and in words of my beloved grand shaikh Hazrat Shaikhul Hadees Maulana Zakariyya sahab who once replied to someone in a maktoob that Hidda (zeal) is good and puts a person on the right track..whereas Shidda (extremity) is harmful.. and yes abundance of Durood and istighfar is always beneficial to all..

jazakallah khair..

duas..

wa assalam..
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:42 PM   #14
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Brother,ZIKRE is done for a purpose,in case of Mashaikh the purpose is basically to attain the quality of Ehsan....in case of commoners like us the purpose would be to gain Ajar...and indeed gaining closeness to Allah swt.Masnoon Azkar would be ideal for those who are not connected to a Shaikh,and inshaAllah those who perform Masnoon Azkar would be safe from any kind of side effects.
In my humble opinion if you stick to the tasbeehat ( Durood,astaghfar,Kalima tamjeed),these should be enough for you....and I don,t see any reason why should it cause feeling of heat or any other such phenomena.Secondly,there might be no need to do ZIKRE in big numbers. just one Tasbeeh of the above mentioned morning and evening is good enough.The concept of ZIKRE in Islam is not just limited to tasbeehat,any act of virtue is included in ZIKRE....and similarly,each time one refrains from a Sin is included in ZIKRE......as ZIKRE in it's essence is "Remembering Allah swt".Similarly with keeping our intention pure and right,we can convert even our worldly affairs into highest forms of ZIKRE.As an example,we leave our homes for work every morning,if we make an intention of earning Rizq e halal ( which is termed FARDH after FARAEDH according to a Hadeeth), we are actually busy in one of the highest form of ZIKRE according to Sharia,although apparently we might be involved in dunya.Similarly if we make an additional intention of trying to support our family,that will add further ajar,as according to Sharia the best Sadaqa is to earn Rizq for your own family.....and so on.Keep making good intentions through out the day....and be in the highest grades of Zakireen,even when you are busy in Dunya.
Similarly,according to our Mashaikh,through out the day,all our life we pass through certain situations regularly where either we need to do Sabr(when things are not according to our liking) or shukur( When all goes well for us) or we are unfortunately involved in Sins,for which we are supposed to be sorry and do astaghfar,or we are scared of a certain impending situation or even the mischief of our own Nafs and Shaytan and we feel a strong urge to come under protection of our Lord....and therefore we seek protection of Allah.......All these acts are such that the moment we get taufeeq of it,we immediately get connected to Allah swt.....and as such situations are part of our life we remain connected to Allah swt through out the day,all our life.May Allah give us taufeeq to be amongst true Zakireen.
One important aspect of ZIKRE is modification of our behaviour according to the liking of our Lord Swt,for example,when we rise up in the morning,we look around us,and start counting the blessings of Allah swt on....and around us...and as a result our hearts fill with love and gratitude for Allah swt....that is one of the best state of mind a Momen can be....as Eeman is basically recognition and Kufr,in it's essence is ungratefulness.
I hope you find these few scattered points from an ignorant person like me helpful,inshaAllah.
The thing with me is, reading these extra waza'if along with the masnun adhkar had its expected effects; sakinah, Allah's help with affairs etc. I started to feel heat when combining these a'mal in ramadhan, otherwise I've always benefited from them. I guess it's not the right combination for me during ramadhan. I'm leaving all the extra waza'if during this month and just doing regular masnun adhkar along with extra istighfar and durood. I just wanted to remove this problem so I could get on with my schedule.

for your kind thoughts.
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The thing with me is, reading these extra waza'if along with the masnun adhkar had its expected effects; sakinah, Allah's help with affairs etc. I started to feel heat when combining these a'mal in ramadhan, otherwise I've always benefited from them. I guess it's not the right combination for me during ramadhan. I'm leaving all the extra waza'if during this month and just doing regular masnun adhkar along with extra istighfar and durood. I just wanted to remove this problem so I could get on with my schedule.

for your kind thoughts.
just curious though, what kind of heat are you experiencing when combining the a'mal in ramadhan ?

I am not an expert on adzkar, hence I am not the right person to advise.

However, I do know that the 300 tasbeehaat (4 kalimahs, darood, istighfaar) are being prescribed by tablighi mashaikh to be made in the morning and evening. And this tasbeehaat is for general people. In malaysia we call it dzikir awwaami (ie general dzikir for public). It is a balanced dzikir and not too taxing/burden for the public/layman muslim.

I do not know anything about the Momin ka Hathiyar and the other wazaif that you do.

I guess Im not of much help here.

wallaahu a'lam
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just curious though, what kind of heat are you experiencing when combining the a'mal in ramadhan ?

I am not an expert on adzkar, hence I am not the right person to advise.

However, I do know that the 300 tasbeehaat (4 kalimahs, darood, istighfaar) are being prescribed by tablighi mashaikh to be made in the morning and evening. And this tasbeehaat is for general people. In malaysia we call it dzikir awwaami (ie general dzikir for public). It is a balanced dzikir and not too taxing/burden for the public/layman muslim.

I do not know anything about the Momin ka Hathiyar and the other wazaif that you do.

I guess Im not of much help here.

wallaahu a'lam
It felt like my brain was being cooked lol, then turned into a headache. Today was much better. I dropped the extra waza'if and stuck with 300 tasbihat + extra durood and istighfar and I feel like my brain is in a breeze.

Momin ka Hathiyar is a du'a book (by Maulana Muhammad Yunus Palanpuri, son of Maulana Umar Palanpuri ). It a compilation of mostly masnun adhkar along with waza'if for morning and evening. It's a great book. Very Ruhani.

Two Priceless Treasures is a set mostly Ayat of Qur'an used as a wazifah.


Even with those regular tasbihat, once you get used it, you feel it if you don't do it for a day or so.
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Is the heat felt the whole body or just in the head area? If just the head, which area? ie frontal, left / right or back brain's lobe.
Does it start to occur when you are reciting some particular wazifah? if so, which particular wazifah is it ?s
Does it occur in the morning or evening of your dzikir time or during both times ?
Is it because of your imamah too tight ?
Sorry for asking a lot of questions. You case just intrigue me... 8^)

Alhamdulillah seems that extra darood and istighfar have a +ve effect.
May ALLAH always protect and showers you with HIS bountiful blessings.

nb: maybe you can try some ruqyah for headache too... see http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post796944
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Is the heat felt the whole body or just in the head area? If just the head, which area? ie frontal, left / right or back brain's lobe.
Does it start to occur when you are reciting some particular wazifah? if so, which particular wazifah is it ?s
Does it occur in the morning or evening of your dzikir time or during both times ?
Is it because of your imamah too tight ?
Sorry for asking a lot of questions. You case just intrigue me... 8^)

Alhamdulillah seems that extra darood and istighfar have a +ve effect.
May ALLAH always protect and showers you with HIS bountiful blessings.

nb: maybe you can try some ruqyah for headache too... see http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post796944
I felt it in my head only, mostly on the top. Started whenever I began to recite Qur'an. When I dropped those two waza'if, it cooled down. I felt like that whether I read in a loud voice or whispered my tilawah.

Then again, this sakinah feeling could have been increased because of ziyarah. A Saudi Jama'ah is in my halaqah and going for jawlah with them today made me feel really cool and collected. Allahu A'lam.


The reason I asked for you in this thread was because of what you posted in the other thread.


Ya akhi we're all fully immersed in the ni'am of Allah and we don't even realize it. May Allah forgive our ghaflah.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:53 AM   #19
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300 tasbeehaat (4 kalimahs, darood, istighfaar) are being prescribed by tablighi mashaikh to be made in the morning and evening. And this tasbeehaat is for general people.
Assalamu Alaikum,

Which durood do the mashaikh prescribe? Is it durood Ibrahimi?

Jazak'Allah Khair.
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Assalamu Alaikum,

Which durood do the mashaikh prescribe? Is it durood Ibrahimi?

Jazak'Allah Khair.


I think they allow any form of durood. Although durood Ibrahimi is long, it's the best.
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