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Carol 10-24-2007 09:45 AM

Help Regarding Black Magic
 
SaalamAlaikum,

I did search through the other sunniforum threads regards to black magic. I have a friend who has serious problems. He was referred to go to a certain aamil (the person who takes care of black magic). Now this person is a well respected individual. For what my friend says, he doesn't charge anything which shows he is sincere.

But what he gave him was paper with stuff written on it. My friend was told to dip it in water and drink it. I wanted to know if any one from here has done this and if it is effective. Where are the proofs from Quran and Sunnah to be doing that i.e dipping pieces of paper into water and drinking it?

Now the problem is that aamil has stopped doing what he does. There is another aamil in the city but he is extremely busy (he charges money also). My friend calls him every week and he tells him to call him next week at certain time. Then, my friend calls him again and he says the same thing to call him next week. And this has been going on for more than a month. My friend is tired of this, its almost like the aamil is trying to evade him.

I did check other threads and found ruqyas i.e certain verses of Quran to be recited. Has anyone used these instead of going to aamil? And has it been effective? Is it better to do ruqyah than go to an aamil?

If any of this stuff applies to you, please reply. Any advices will be taken.

JazakhAllah
saalam

BodeOmissemia 10-24-2007 02:46 PM

Black magic isn't real in most cases. This friend of yours probably thinks he's been affected by it because his culture tells him so.

Send this person to a psychiatrist.

JanetMorris 10-24-2007 05:58 PM

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SaalamAlaikum,

I did search through the other sunniforum threads regards to black magic. I have a friend who has serious problems. He was referred to go to a certain aamil (the person who takes care of black magic). Now this person is a well respected individual. For what my friend says, he doesn't charge anything which shows he is sincere.

But what he gave him was paper with stuff written on it. My friend was told to dip it in water and drink it. I wanted to know if any one from here has done this and if it is effective. Where are the proofs from Quran and Sunnah to be doing that i.e dipping pieces of paper into water and drinking it?

Now the problem is that aamil has stopped doing what he does. There is another aamil in the city but he is extremely busy (he charges money also). My friend calls him every week and he tells him to call him next week at certain time. Then, my friend calls him again and he says the same thing to call him next week. And this has been going on for more than a month. My friend is tired of this, its almost like the aamil is trying to evade him.

I did check other threads and found ruqyas i.e certain verses of Quran to be recited. Has anyone used these instead of going to aamil? And has it been effective? Is it better to do ruqyah than go to an aamil?

If any of this stuff applies to you, please reply. Any advices will be taken.

JazakhAllah
saalam
Asslamo Allaikum,

Here you go:

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/manzil.htm

All from the Qur'aan ONLY!

AncewwewBus 10-24-2007 09:46 PM

Assalamualaikum

1. This guy was out in jamaat. He was the ameer. Then this sathi started acting real wierd. He had a copy of manzil and started reading it over the sathi. And all the other sathees of the jamaat saw a jinn leave and the jinn said something to this effect: the ayahs in manzil will always keep jinns away. The ameer told me this. Manzil is basically a collection of verses from the Quran. The link given by hazrat muadh above.

2. I dindnt know what an amil is till like 2 months back. Anyway this senior Alim of Ashrafiya silsila is an amil. And he takes money. And he is well respected and loved in scholarly circles.... so therefore taking money may not be totally OUT if you know what im trynna say.
Whatever means he employed when I heard about it seemed wierd, but then when I enquired scholars said that these are extremely complex things and beyong a common persons comprehension.
I say this because from your post I felt the drinking water thing came across as wierd to you.
But what I gathered was the money is really for jinns employed by the amil. Allahu Aalam.

my 2 cents

wassalam

detskpit 10-24-2007 10:15 PM

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Black magic isn't real in most cases. This friend of yours probably thinks he's been affected by it because his culture tells him so.

Send this person to a psychiatrist.
u think black magic is not real?ive seen soo many things from ppl flyin in da air i think where u r u dont have black magic,beside if u r muslim u should believe in jinn aidin these ppl.

TXmjLW9b 10-25-2007 12:18 AM

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But what I gathered was the money is really for jinns employed by the amil.
what would jinns do with money?

exeftWabreava 10-25-2007 02:39 AM

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what would jinns do with money?
Good question!

My teacher once told us that jinns do take money from people (as in steal), maybe the person controlling them makes them steal?

I do understand this situation is different to the one above though.

immelawealecy 10-25-2007 01:50 PM

I posted this in another thread on SF:

People think of aamils as "deeni" people, whereas he should be looked at as you would a doctor.
Ml Ashraf Ali Thanvi RA has also writin that just as a doctor can charge so to can an aamil.
If you tell people about an aamil, one of the first things they will ask is does he charge? but if you tell them about a doctor they ask how much does he charge?



read the entire thread here:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ighlight=aamil

911_993_911 10-27-2007 02:47 AM

Assalamu Alaykum

The Manzil as mentioned previously is effective and your friend should persevere in reciting it inshAllah. I have heard it can be done three times a day and blown into water. It consists of the following and a person should persevere in reciting it inshAllah:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view_print.asp?ID=4670

As your friend is experiencing some difficulty in removing the magic and contacting the aamil, it would be a good idea to read Salat ul Haja, preferrably one hour before fajr inshAllah.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...ID=1117&CATE=4

I'm not too sure about the dipping paper in water method, maybe it depends on what is written on the paper and what it is written with?

Gmvkgkmn 10-27-2007 04:44 AM

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Assalamualaikum

1. This guy was out in jamaat. He was the ameer. Then this sathi started acting real wierd. He had a copy of manzil and started reading it over the sathi. And all the other sathees of the jamaat saw a jinn leave and the jinn said something to this effect: the ayahs in manzil will always keep jinns away. The ameer told me this. Manzil is basically a collection of verses from the Quran. The link given by hazrat muadh above.

2. I dindnt know what an amil is till like 2 months back. Anyway this senior Alim of Ashrafiya silsila is an amil. And he takes money. And he is well respected and loved in scholarly circles.... so therefore taking money may not be totally OUT if you know what im trynna say.
Whatever means he employed when I heard about it seemed wierd, but then when I enquired scholars said that these are extremely complex things and beyong a common persons comprehension.
I say this because from your post I felt the drinking water thing came across as wierd to you.
But what I gathered was the money is really for jinns employed by the amil. Allahu Aalam.

my 2 cents

wassalam
As Salaamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullah

Akhi, the people actually saw the jinn leave the body? Was it like a ghost? Can you tell me how a jinn looks? The answer to that is no. You, nor does any 'pir saab' have 'ilmul ghayb (knowledge of the unseen).

Also, one person mentioned Salaatul Haajah.

You might want to take the following links into consideration:

http://************/index.php?ref=2161&ln=eng&txt=haajah


http://************/index.php?ref=10...eng&txt=haajah

My advice to the brother looking for help is use the the book of Allah 'Azza wa Jall and the Sunnah of his Messenger SallAllahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam.

Alhamdulillah i have managed to find these links which may be useful:

http://************/index.php?ref=11290&ln=eng&txt=sihr

http://************/index.php?ref=12918&ln=eng&txt=sihr

Edit: replace the stars in the link with islamqa[dot]com

exeftWabreava 10-27-2007 04:56 AM

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Can you tell me how a jinn looks?
Our teacher once told us he and a friend were invited by one of their teachers to his house to meet a Jinn. Their teacher told them that the hair on the hand grows in the opposite direction to humans (if I remember correctly).

This house was in the middle of a field (or something like that), a guy walked in and shook hands with the students and their teacher. My teacher confirmed what he was told about the hair. After that the person left and the students were told to look for the guy - when they went out they couldn't see him.

Heacechig 10-27-2007 04:57 AM

Whosoever reads Ayatul qursi morning and evening he will be protected from Shaitan ( alHakim 1/562 he said : Sahihul Isnaad) Jinn will not come clost to him (Nasai in amalul yom wal lailah #964)
whosoever reads this dua 3 time in the morning and evening nothing will harm him:
BISMILLHIL LATHI LAA YADHURRU MA'A ISMIHEE SHAI'UN FIL ARDHI WA LAA FIS SAMAA'I WA HOWAS SAMEE'UL ALEEM.
(Tirmithi #3397 He said: Hasan Sahih)
Brothers how is Arabic written on this forum?

on the issue of water Shaikhul Islaam Ibn Taimiyah (Allah have mercy on him)writes in his Fatawaa:

“It is permissible for an ill or troubled person, that certain verses from the Qur’an are written with pure ink, then it is washed and given to the ill to drink.
Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have mentioned a certain Dua that should be written and placed close to the woman who is experiencing hard labour at the time of giving birth.
Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) says: This Dua should be written and tied to the arm of the woman. We have experienced that there is nothing more amazing than this” (Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, 19/65).

On the issue of taking money for Ruqiyyah there's a long Hadith in Sahih Bukhari where some Sahabah went to a village and were ill treated, but when the village's leader was bitten by a snake, the people came to the Sahabah asking for help, so the ameer read Surah Fatihah and blew it on the sick person and he recovered, the Sahabah took 30 goats as payment. When they got to the Messenger Sallalahu alaihi wa sallam he asked in amazment : "How did he know that it (Fatihah) is a ruqiyyah? Share it out and make a share for me as well".(Bukahri #5007)

its permissible because this reading and blowing is considered a worldly treatment, so its permissible to take a wage on it like how a doctor does. the Quraan has shifaa in it.

but these duas and ayaats has the strenght of the reader behind it, the effect of the dua lies in the strenght of his imaan in the dua.
Ibnul qayyim writes that: "the Dua is the sword of the Mumin, the sword's strike depends on the strenght of the arm."
May Allah cure him. Aameen

Gmvkgkmn 10-27-2007 05:08 AM

Sorry, it should have been made more clear. Can you see how a jinn looks in its original form? It can make it self apparent in some forms, but you will not see a jinn in its original form.

This hair growing the opposite way, this is knowledge that does not benefit us. Why do we need to know how they look like?

exeftWabreava 10-27-2007 05:26 AM

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This hair growing the opposite way, this is knowledge that does not benefit us. Why do we need to know how they look like?
It was in answer to your original question.

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Can you tell me how a jinn looks?

Heacechig 10-27-2007 05:53 AM

Also, one person mentioned Salaatul Haajah.

You might want to take the following links into consideration:

http://************/index.php?ref=2161&ln=eng&txt=haajah


http://************/index.php?ref=10...eng&txt=haajah

Edit: replace the stars in the link with islamqa[dot]com[/QUOTE]

The brother here is trying to say that the Hadith concerning Salaatul Haajah is Daeef (weak). Well he's correct, its actually Daeefun Jiddah.
This is because of the narrator Faa'id ibn Abdur Rahamaan abul waraqaa is very weak.
Ahmed said: Matrukul Hadith, Ibn Maeen said: Daeef not Thiqah. Bukhari said : Munkarul Hadith. Abu dawood said: He's nothing. Tirmithi said: he's weak in hadith, Nasai said: Matrukul Hadith , and Inn adi said: even though he's weak his Ahadith are written. (Tahtheebut Tahtheeb by Ibn Hajr 3/380)

But brothers Allah Ta'alaa says in the Quraan : “And seek help in (Sabr) patience and (Salah) prayer…” [al-Baqarah 2:45], Hudhayfah RD said : “When anything distressed the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he would pray.” (Ahmed 5/388, Abu Dawood 1124, Ibn jarir 850 Baihaqi in ad Dalaail 3/453) Shaikh Albani said Hasan in Sahih al jamee 4703.

So here Allah is ordering us to perform Salah in the times of need and this was also the practice and SUNNAH of the Rasool (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so if we perform two rakaat and read the beautiful dua which has nothing in it going against any Aadaabs and rules of Dua , Whats the problem?!

This is why Imaam as Sakhawi the great Muhadith and student of Hafiz Ibn Hajr asqalani said in al Qawlul Badee(pg.381 Awwamah's Tahqeeq) after a discussion on the said Hadith : " In summary the Hadith is Very Weak which is written in Fadhailil Aamaal."

And why not when its permissible for Tom **** and harry or zaid arm and bakr to perform Salah and read any dua in any langauge once it dont go against the Aadaab of dua extracted from Saheeh Ahadith then why can he not read that dua which is mentioned in 2 of the books of Sihaah Thirmithi429 and Ibn Majah1383 which al Mizzi called : Umdatu ahlil Islaam w elihaa madaaru Aammatil ahkaam (these 6 books are the foundation of Islaam and on them are based most of the Ahkaam).
May Allah give us the correct understanding of deen and may He give us the divine ability to follow the Salaf in the correct manner.

AncewwewBus 10-27-2007 05:58 PM

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As Salaamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullah

Akhi, the people actually saw the jinn leave the body? Was it like a ghost? Can you tell me how a jinn looks? The answer to that is no. You, nor does any 'pir saab' have 'ilmul ghayb (knowledge of the unseen).
waalaikumussalam wa rahmatullah

1. People actually saw jinn leave the body. I believe the person who told me this.
2. Whats a jinn got anything to so with ilmul ghaib?
When did I claim to have ilmul ghaib? what you on about?
Me nor any pir saab dont know anything about ilmul ghaib. Agreed.
So what??

Gmvkgkmn 10-27-2007 07:04 PM

To the brother who said it was in answer to my first question. That was a rhetorical question, in any case i answered it myself straight after it.

The next brother on about reciting du'aa for salaatul haajah and quoting the aayah.

You should have red the next part, On the basis of the above, this prayer is not prescribed in Islam, but if the Muslim is faced with distress, he should pray and make du’aa’ in general (with no restrictions as to a certain number of rak’ahs or a specific du’aa’ that is not proven in sound ahaadeeth, etc.), because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And seek help in patience and prayer…” [al-Baqarah 2:45], and because of the hadeeth of Hudhayfah in which he said: “When anything distressed the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he would pray.” (Reported by Abu Dawood in his Sunan, 1124, and classed as hasan in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 4703).

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid lastly to the akh who mentioned jinn leaving bodies. To you i say, do you believe jinn are part of the ghayb? if so then it is not possible for you to see them unless you have knowledge of the unseen.

The Sufis claim to have gnosis and knowledge of the unseen, but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: ‘None in the heavens and the earth knows the ghayb (unseen) except Allaah…’” [al-Naml 27:65]

http://************/index.php?ref=49...t=jinn%20ghayb

again replace the stars with islamqa[dot]com

I'm saying if you don't have any knowledge of the unseen then how can you see the jinn?

Kausilwf 10-27-2007 07:10 PM

Salaam's.

What evidence you have that says it is impossible for a person to see a Jinn absolutely without exception.

Sure People do not see them in their every day lives, but in certain instances....

AncewwewBus 10-27-2007 08:31 PM

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah


I dont think the jinns are a part of the ghayb. I will make tahkik tho, insha Allah.



You yourself said:


It can make it self apparent in some forms





Wassalam

Heacechig 10-27-2007 09:29 PM

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The next brother on about reciting du'aa for salaatul haajah and quoting the aayah.

You should have red the next part,

What are you trying to say dont perform Salaatu Haajah or Perform it ?


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