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Old 10-12-2011, 02:36 PM   #21
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Mufti Abdul Kader Hoosen of Channel Islam International

His Fatwa is that it is halaal based on the assurance of the Ulama of Saudia

So we cannot blame anyone for eating anywhere in the Holy cities of Makka Mukarrama and Madina Munawarra
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:38 PM   #22
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totally wrong usama2. I myself when having eaten doubtful food feel such a heaviness in my heart and lose apetite for worship. The meat from brazil etc is very doubtful no matter what any government says. It is actually the opposite of what u said and inshallah somebody else shall provide the proofs.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:09 PM   #23
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The food here in Saudi is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL and most probably HARAM according to all MADHABS.


BUT


We can't say anything to anyone for eating it BECAUSE 'Ulama (from all schools of thoughts) eat it despite knowing the fact that it comes from Brazil.

BUT


اياكم والمشتبهات

Save yourself from doubtful things (hadith).


  • Don't believe the restaurant guys when they tell you that we have local meat/chicken because most of the time what they mean to say is that we bought it locally.
  • And another reason not to believe them is that no one can give you a plate of Chicken Biryani in just 10 riyals IF THEY USE THE LOCAL CHICKEN.
  • Another reason not to believe them is that they themselves don't know.
  • Another reason not to believe them is that even if they do buy the local chicken, it happens lots of time that the local chicken is short on delivery so they use up Brazilian chicken.


Beware of AL-BAIK

They import from BRAZIL
They don't have any local farms as people usually say.


والله اعلم بالصواب

Solution:

Contact me and i'll provide you with Halal food at your doorstep
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:12 PM   #24
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how much more "proof" do we need b4 getting the courage 2 abstain from eating haraam? do you know in madinah munawwarh whem we asked some of the take away owners about where they get they chickens from... some of them actually told us themselves that its from brazil - not to buy/eat it coz its haraam! and i've seen this myself.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:16 PM   #25
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London786,
I never said all the meat from Brazil is halal. Nor should anyone make such a blanket claim as it is not credible.

By specific sanction, I mean that a company or individual has been specfically sanctioned by credible Muslim officials. If you choose to place a more rigorous standard which does NOT accept the testimony of an otherwise credible Muslim official, then so be it.


the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “Verily Allah has obligated the obligations – so do not neglect them. And He has limited the limits – so do not transgress them. And His silence about things is from His mercy, not forgetfulness, so do not investigate them.” (Ad-Darqutni No. 4/199 and Al-Baihaqi No. 10/122). According to this principle, all animals are permissible until the evidence of prohibition is established.”

So if it is known through evidence and reliable testimony that such meat is not halal, then it becomes forbidden, as Allah (SWT) says in translation:

“Made lawful to you this day are At¬Tayyibât [all kinds of Halâl (lawful) foods, which Allâh has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc., milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc.). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them…” (Al-Ma'idah 5:5)


The meat of the ahlil kitab is permissible unless it is otherwise found to be impermissible. And the meat of Muslims is permissible unless otherwise found to be impermissible. And this is the hukm on meat.

It is not the other way around.




and Allah knows best.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:22 PM   #26
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the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “Verily Allah has obligated the obligations – so do not neglect them. And He has limited the limits – so do not transgress them. And His silence about things is from His mercy, not forgetfulness, so do not investigate them.” (Ad-Darqutni No. 4/199 and Al-Baihaqi No. 10/122). According to this principle, all animals are permissible until the evidence of prohibition is established.”


wow!
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:23 PM   #27
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what should one do on hajj then, the food that the govt provides on the day of arafat, should the pilgrims eat it?
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:26 PM   #28
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wow!
WOOOWWWEEEEE!!!! is more like it! i'm also sooo shocked at the amount of evidence established about the status of the meat/chicken in saudi + just in one thread alone!
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:29 PM   #29
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Is there a south african guy in this thread? I need him to check our food list please.
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:31 PM   #30
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totally wrong usama2. I myself when having eaten doubtful food feel such a heaviness in my heart and lose apetite for worship. The meat from brazil etc is very doubtful no matter what any government says. It is actually the opposite of what u said and inshallah somebody else shall provide the proofs.


It's not enough to ban the meat in Saudi just because we 'feel' that there's something wrong with it. The 'feel' would necessitate us to investigate more, not to right away make a judgement on it. if your hunch is right, then you've saved our brothers and sisters there from consuming the 'non-halal' meat. But before that, it's better to come up with a proof rather than saying something as scary as this without any proof.

Probably we should wait for the proofs then we can discuss more about it?
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Old 10-12-2011, 03:35 PM   #31
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The food here in Saudi is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL and most probably HARAM according to all MADHABS.

We can't say anything to anyone for eating it BECAUSE 'Ulama (from all schools of thoughts) eat it despite knowing the fact that it comes from Brazil.


sheikh,

you just contradict yourself there. So which one is it? Haram according to all madzhabs or halal according to ulama' from all school of thoughts?
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:40 PM   #32
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sheikh,

you just contradict yourself there. So which one is it? Haram according to all madzhabs or halal according to ulama' from all school of thoughts?
Easy-going Ulema?
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:59 PM   #33
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sheikh,

you just contradict yourself there. So which one is it? Haram according to all madzhabs or halal according to ulama' from all school of thoughts?


There was no contradiction. It is a well-known fact that the meat that Saudi imports is from Brazil, Argentina, etc. but many people knowingly eat this due to convenience.

It's not enough to ban the meat in Saudi just because we 'feel' that there's something wrong with it. The 'feel' would necessitate us to investigate more, not to right away make a judgement on it. if your hunch is right, then you've saved our brothers and sisters there from consuming the 'non-halal' meat. But before that, it's better to come up with a proof rather than saying something as scary as this without any proof.

Probably we should wait for the proofs then we can discuss more about it? It has nothing to do with gut feelings and intuitions but solid facts. Ulama have visited the operations and slaughterhouses in South America and found them to not be halal or highly suspect (and this suspicion is not of Muslims because these companies are not Muslim owned or Muslim run). For example, a company by the name of Sadia ships worldwide but it is not halal, despite the stickers of "hand slaughter" that is found on the meat. Their "halal slaughter" involves a recording of tasmiyah being played while non-Muslims kill chickens. There is no decent food monitoring authority in South America. There is not even a decent Muslim community south of Guyana. Another major provider of meat is Doux from France and the difference between their halal and haram chicken is that the sticker on one of the packaging says it is halal whereas the other doesn't.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:23 PM   #34
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There was no contradiction. It is a well-known fact that the meat that Saudi imports is from Brazil, Argentina, etc. but many people knowingly eat this due to convenience.

It has nothing to do with gut feelings and intuitions but solid facts. Ulama have visited the operations and slaughterhouses in South America and found them to not be halal or highly suspect (and this suspicion is not of Muslims because these companies are not Muslim owned or Muslim run). For example, a company by the name of Sadia ships worldwide but it is not halal, despite the stickers of "hand slaughter" that is found on the meat. Their "halal slaughter" involves a recording of tasmiyah being played while non-Muslims kill chickens. There is no decent food monitoring authority in South America. There is not even a decent Muslim community south of Guyana. Another major provider of meat is Doux from France and the difference between their halal and haram chicken is that the sticker on one of the packaging says it is halal whereas the other doesn't.


you said it was an Ulama' (or a group of Ulama's) that visited the meat processing plant. These Ulama's found out that the meat was not prepared according to shariah, and when they went back to Saudi, they still declare it 'halal' due to convenience?

I'm having a problem in understanding the allegation here, more over when it is directly related to the fatwas given out by a few of the Ulama. Everyone should understand that this is not just about fatwas, but also the characteristics/personality of these ulama. Aren't we on the verge of slandering these ulama and accusing them of making fatwas according to their own desires? Are we prepared to face Allah and be questioned about this?

Also, does anybody know in details the fatwa given out by the ulama in Saudi regarding the halal meat? Did they specifically say for example that Doux from France is halal?
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:43 PM   #35
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assalamu alaykum

Is transparency allowed in saudia?
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:01 PM   #36
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you said it was an Ulama' (or a group of Ulama's) that visited the meat processing plant. These Ulama's found out that the meat was not prepared according to shariah, and when they went back to Saudi, they still declare it 'halal' due to convenience?

I'm having a problem in understanding the allegation here, more over when it is directly related to the fatwas given out by a few of the Ulama. Everyone should understand that this is not just about fatwas, but also the characteristics/personality of these ulama. Aren't we on the verge of slandering these ulama and accusing them of making fatwas according to their own desires? Are we prepared to face Allah and be questioned about this?

Also, does anybody know in details the fatwa given out by the ulama in Saudi regarding the halal meat? Did they specifically say for example that Doux from France is halal?


No, it was not Saudi ulama. It was ulama from the Caribbean. That is why even Muslims who live in the Caribbean in Barbados and Trinidad know that Sadia chicken is not legitimate and that meat in general coming from Brazil and Argentina is not legitimate. As for other companies like Doux, that is straight from them: they even say that there is no difference in their method of slaughter between meat destined for Saudi KFCs and meat destined for non-halal markets - they are both slaughtered in an un-Islamic manner.

The problem is, Saudi ulama and Arab ulama in general say that it is okay to consume meat produced by the Ahl-ul-Kitaab. What they do not realize is that Arab Christians living in the Arabian peninsula have completely different slaughtering practices than the Christians living in the West. And then there is the whole issue of dhabiha versus non-dhabiha. Many people, including myself, consider non-dhabiha to be haram and only dhabiha to be halal.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:11 PM   #37
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Is there a south african guy in this thread? I need him to check our food list please.
Asalamualykum

How can i be of assistance Moulay
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:47 PM   #38
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Please give me your email address.

You can mail me from the ta'addud blog please.

Thank you.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:02 PM   #39
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what should one do on hajj then, the food that the govt provides on the day of arafat, should the pilgrims eat it?
how many times has it happened that I have asked a valid question and no one has answered it??
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:19 PM   #40
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how many times has it happened that I have asked a valid question and no one has answered it??
4875 times....
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