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Old 09-21-2011, 04:19 PM   #1
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Default The Sufyani - Imam Mahdi's arrival
As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

There is a lot of talk regarding the end of time being very soon, with many 'Ulama openly saying that the Middle aged among us will probably be alive to see the Mahdi. In light of what the 'Ulama are saying, who do you think the following Hadeeth might refer to or what have the 'Ulama said regarding it:

Abu Hurairah Radiallahu Anhu has narrated that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, 'A man will emerge from the depths of Damascus. He will be called Sufyani. Most of those who follow him will be from the tribe of Kalb. He will kill by ripping the stomachs of women and even kill the children. A man from my family will appear in the Haram, the news of his advent will reach the Sufyani and he will send to him one of his armies. He (referring to Imam Mahdi) will defeat them. They will then travel with whoever remains until they come to a desert and they will be swallowed. None will be saved except the one who had informed the others about them.' (Mustadrak of Imam Haakim).
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Old 09-21-2011, 04:38 PM   #2
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The following Hadith refers to Sufyani. We'll know when he comes. Instead of going into these things, we should worry about preparing for such times.

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Old 09-21-2011, 05:11 PM   #3
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The following Hadith refers to Sufyani. We'll know when he comes. Instead of going into these things, we should worry about preparing for such times.

Moulana Taliban are you making a bid to gain moderator status? If you are, you doing a great job at stifling many a thread on SF recently
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Old 09-21-2011, 05:28 PM   #4
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Moulana Taliban are you making a bid to gain moderator status? If you are, you doing a great job at stifling many a thread on SF recently
What has my post got to do anything with being a MOD?

It is a general rule Hazrat Ibn Abbas explained:

ابهموا ما ابهم الله

What Allah has kept ambiguous, you should also keep it that way.

Yani, when Allah and his Rasool have not pinpointed Sufyani, why do we need to go into it?

SImilarly, when Allah and his Rasool haven't given you a specific time for Mahdi's coming, then why do we need to go into it? And when we don't know who that person will be, and NO ONE CAN KNOW BEFORE HIS COMING, then why waste time on who Mahdi will be?
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Old 09-21-2011, 05:30 PM   #5
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What has my post got to do anything with being a MOD?

It is a general rule Hazrat Ibn Abbas explained:

ابهموا ما ابهم الله

What Allah has kept ambiguous, you should also keep it that way.

Yani, when Allah and his Rasool have not pinpointed Sufyani, why do we need to go into it?

SImilarly, when Allah and his Rasool haven't given you a specific time for Mahdi's coming, then why do we need to go into it? And when we don't know who that person will be, and NO ONE CAN KNOW BEFORE HIS COMING, then why waste time on who Mahdi will be?
Now that was an excellent reply

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Old 09-24-2011, 06:39 PM   #6
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What has my post got to do anything with being a MOD?

It is a general rule Hazrat Ibn Abbas explained:

ابهموا ما ابهم الله

What Allah has kept ambiguous, you should also keep it that way.

Yani, when Allah and his Rasool have not pinpointed Sufyani, why do we need to go into it?

SImilarly, when Allah and his Rasool haven't given you a specific time for Mahdi's coming, then why do we need to go into it? And when we don't know who that person will be, and NO ONE CAN KNOW BEFORE HIS COMING, then why waste time on who Mahdi will be?
As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Subhaanallah! I just received a post from a brother who has informed me that President Asad of Syria belongs to the sect known as the 'Alawis, now this is something almost everyone knows. But, how many people know that the 'Alawis consist of four major tribes, the Kalbiyyah, al-Haddadin, al-Matawirah and al-Khayatin.

Allah knows best, but how relevant is it that the Sufyani will belong to the tribe of Kalb, which so happens to be one of the tribes of the 'Alawi sect to which the present day rulership of Syria belong.
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Old 09-24-2011, 06:43 PM   #7
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As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Subhaanallah! I just received a post from a brother who has informed me that President Asad of Syria belongs to the sect known as the 'Alawis, now this is something almost everyone knows. But, how many people know that the 'Alawis consist of four major tribes, the Kalbiyyah, al-Haddadin, al-Matawirah and al-Khayatin.

Allah knows best, but how relevant is it that the Sufyani will belong to the tribe of Kalb, which so happens to be one of the tribes of the 'Alawi sect to which the present day rulership of Syria belong.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:10 AM   #8
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If you read that book, it says the al-Asad family are from the 'al-Matawirah', not 'al-Kalbiyyah'. wa Llahu a'lam, interesting nevertheless.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:47 AM   #9
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Many signs are there no doubt (last time I heard a jinn boasting about the arrival of the dajjal lol, that tells you it'll be big party) but it seems the report concerning the sufiyani is very weak. But Allah () knows best.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:55 AM   #10
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The following Hadith refers to Sufyani. We'll know when he comes. Instead of going into these things, we should worry about preparing for such times.


for the reminder. Inshallah it's important for me that I stay on the straight path so that when he comes, I'll recognise him Inshallah.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:53 PM   #11
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If you read that book, it says the al-Asad family are from the 'al-Matawirah', not 'al-Kalbiyyah'. wa Llahu a'lam, interesting nevertheless.
As salaam alaikum,

Yes, I am aware of that, but that does not discount the fact the ruling Ba'th party is made up of many 'Alawis who are from the tribe of Kalb.
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:58 PM   #12
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King abdullah of jordan?

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Old 09-25-2011, 09:45 PM   #13
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Internet is good for extra references, but for something more than that, we need a much more conclusive evidence. I don't remember the hadith exactly, but I thought the sufyani should come from Egypt, and he's considered as pious by the general public?

Regarding King Abdullah II, didn't he's the 43rd generation direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammad()?

If that's so, then he's definitely not the sufyani mentioned. Plus, it would be beneficial if someone who's interested to discuss about sufyani to quote the whole hadith. And it would much more beneficial if the background of the hadith can be discussed, and perhaps some other hadiths that come together with the sufyani hadith? That can provide a good point of reference for a more detailed discussion. Otherwise, if it's discussed without the right context, reference and the right person, it can be a source of fitna and misunderstanding.

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Old 01-24-2012, 07:38 PM   #14
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Salam

I think the Assad family is a good candidate for the sufyani that the prophet pbuh had said in the Hadith on iman Mahdi. Here's what Wikipedia says about the Assad family "The Assads are originally from Qardaha, just east of Latakia in north-west Syria. They are members of the minority Alawite sect and belong to the Kalbiyya tribe" So happen that the muawiyah are descendants of Abu sufyan and they are based in Syria. Also the Assad family is indeed very cruel just like what the Hadith had described.

If indeed they are the sufyani as described by the prophet pbuh, they will naturally oppose the Mahdi unlike the other countries who have been liberated from the despotic rules of dictators. Also, the Islamist government of the Arab countries liberated by the Arab spring would naturally pledge allegiance to the Mahdi. As the prophet said the Mahdi will rule over the Arab and why not all Muslim countries.

The likelihood is indeed real and interesting an imminent.
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