[RokeIdeadioke]

Salaam,

I need evidence from the Quran/Sunnah that it is haram to celebrate (cheering, blowing horns, acting abnoxious, etc) the death of anyone, good or evil, especially of a Muslim? Deep inside I feel like it is. I think we all can relate it to today's world.

[kucheravka]

Salaam,

I need evidence from the Quran/Sunnah that it is haram to celebrate (cheering, blowing horns, acting abnoxious, etc) the death of anyone, good or evil, especially of a Muslim? Deep inside I feel like it is. I think we all can relate it to today's world.

So you must not talking about Qadhdhafi..

[RokeIdeadioke]

So you must not talking about Qadhdhafi..

Salaam,

Oh no...I wasn't even thinking about him...I forgot...thanks for mentioning

[kucheravka]

Salaam,

Oh no...I wasn't even thinking about him...I forgot...thanks for mentioning

Oooops, Lol, ok!
I'm almost getting obsessed by people going around defending his regime only because he's been attacked by the evil NATO so I end up imagining everyone mentioning him..
Sorry for the misunderstanding!

[BegeMoT]

Oooops, Lol, ok!
I'm almost getting obsessed by people going around defending his regime only because he's been attacked by the evil NATO so I end up imagining everyone mentioning him..
Sorry for the misunderstanding!

You've been dealing with that too?

[kucheravka]

You've been dealing with that too?

Indeed; just check my post history... :-D

[Xqjfxmfk]

I don't think avoiding takfir is the same as defending his regime, Umar.

[chuecaloversvv]

Shaikh Umar,

I'm sincerely trying to find out how Gazzafi was a kafir?

[kucheravka]

I don't think avoiding takfir is the same as defending his regime, Umar.

And I don't see any reason to avoid the takfir of al-Qadhdhafi in fron of so clear statements of kufr from his side.

Shaikh Umar,

I'm sincerely trying to find out how Gazzafi was a kafir?

Maulana Sahab you know very well I'm not a scholar; anyway, I've replied you in another thread.
You may want to double-check with any Saudi scholar at your place regarding the hukm of someone saying that the recitation of "Qul Huwa" from Surah al-Ikhlas has to omitted, is..

[actioliGalm]

And I don't see any reason to avoid the takfir of al-Qadhdhafi in fron of so clear statements of kufr from his side.
Maulana Sahab you know very well I'm not a scholar; anyway, I've replied you in another thread.
You may want to double-check with any Saudi scholar at your place regarding the hukm of someone saying that the recitation of "Qul Huwa" from Surah al-Ikhlas has to omitted, is..

Gaddafi may be kufr from all the actions he did and never retracted and repented publicly from it. But that's only the strongest hint we have. We wouldn't know if he actually repented in the last two months (since he never got the latest video uploaded on his youtube channel or to answer any accusations levelled at him on his facebook). But personally I feel we shouldn't play the rule of a judge here. The guy is dead, so let's Allah judge him. We can use the fatwas given on him if someone stupid enough to quote Gaddafi on matters of aqeedah or any issue at all in our religion.

The guy is dead. Just respect the dead body. I'm praying that our brothers and sisters in Libya will toss aside any tribalism culture and stick to the sunnah of the Beloved Prophet on this.

[kucheravka]

Gaddafi may be kufr from all the actions he did and never retracted and repented publicly from it. But that's only the strongest hint we have. We wouldn't know if he actually repented in the last two months (since he never got the latest video uploaded on his youtube channel or to answer any accusations levelled at him on his facebook). But personally I feel we shouldn't play the rule of a judge here. The guy is dead, so let's Allah judge him. We can use the fatwas given on him if someone stupid enough to quote Gaddafi on matters of aqeedah or any issue at all in our religion.

The guy is dead. Just respect the dead body. I'm praying that our brothers and sisters in Libya will toss aside any tribalism culture and stick to the sunnah of the Beloved Prophet on this.

We may say the same for each and every kafir on the face of the earth: he might have made tawbah one minute before dying, so can't call anyone "kafir" anymore?

Nay, we judge on the exterior: the exterior of al-Qadhdhafi is kufr as he never publicly retracted what he publicly stated; if he has made tawbah, may Allah accept, but still we have to judge on the exterior.

[actioliGalm]

We may say the same for each and every kafir on the face of the earth: he might have made tawbah one minute before dying, so can't call anyone "kafir" anymore?

Nay, we judge on the exterior: the exterior of al-Qadhdhafi is kufr as he never publicly retracted what he publicly stated; if he has made tawbah, may Allah accept, but still we have to judge on the exterior.

brother,

I didn't argue if he was a Muslim. What I'm saying is, the public proof is available to prevent any one from quoting him on matters pertaining to religion. But we really in the dark about his eeman in his last two months. To be on the safe side, the best we could say is up to the time the fatwa was given, Gaddafi was declared kufr by scholars, and no public records show otherwise since then. That alone would stop anyone from quoting anything from Gaddafi on matters pertaining to our religion, .

The best answer still is only Allah knows and better to leave it as that.

As for us, it's our duty to follow the sunnah of the Prophet . In this case the treatment of the dead body.

[TerriLS]

Gaddafi may be kufr from all the actions he did and never retracted and repented publicly from it...

The guy is dead. Just respect the dead body. I'm praying that our brothers and sisters in Libya will toss aside any tribalism culture and stick to the sunnah of the Beloved Prophet on this.

Right, i agree with this, even if gaddafi was a kaafir (i dont know if he was), I think it is TOTALLY gross to celebrate his death in the way the libyans have celebrated it. of course gaddafi was a tyrant and i'm not his fan, but i hate to see the DEAD BODY of a human being made into some kind of an exhibition by human beings! for heavens sake! the guy is DEAD, what is the reason to treat his body like that? in islaam even if someone is a murtadd, a fornicator or a murderer and he is killed, its not right to drag his dead body on the streets ect.!

[BegeMoT]

Right, i agree with this, even if gaddafi was a kaafir (i dont know if he was), I think it is TOTALLY gross to celebrate his death in the way the libyans have celebrated it. of course gaddafi was a tyrant and i'm not his fan, but i hate to see the DEAD BODY of a human being made into some kind of an exhibition by human beings! for heavens sake! the guy is DEAD, what is the reason to treat his body like that? in islaam even if someone is a murtadd, a fornicator or a murderer and he is killed, its not right to drag his dead body on the streets ect.!

I think Ghadaffi got off pretty lightly to be honest. Anybody remember what the Italians did to Mussolini? Now that was pretty messed up! Ghadaffi getting dragged through a crowd and shot pales in comparison.

[Xqjfxmfk]

With all due respect, they are not our teachers.

The way in which he and his son were mauled, then summarily executed was shameful. I don't care if I sound self-righteous about it. Even the Mongols had a law that prohibited the killing of a head of state.

He could be Abu Jahal reincarnated, but when an unarmed man pleads for you not to shoot, you don't shoot. A commander of Mahmud Ghaznawid once struck a Hindu who massacred Muslims (in front of the Hindu's son) and Mahmud scolded him saying, "there is no pain worse than a son seeing his father humiliated."

As Prophet Muhammed (S) eloquently put it, "if you kill one man, it is as if you have killed all of mankind."

The people in Libya will be regretting this soon.

[kucheravka]

As Prophet Muhammed (S) eloquently put it, "if you kill one man, it is as if you have killed all of mankind."

Isn't it an ayah? And please read its context and its tafsir: that's about unjustified killing, not about capital punishment or Qital.

[TerriLS]

Still, if someone is a HEARTLESS miniture dajjaal it does'nt make it right for you to be a HEARTLESS miniture dajjaal. full stop. gaddafi was nuts, bizarre and a crazy tyrant but what do people get by disrespecting even his DEAD body??? remember after all he is the father, brother, grandpa uncle and husband of someone, he also had people who loved him and cannot be blamed or held responsible for his tyrannical behaviour... WHY is it so impossible for us to see things from a humane perspective?

"If you fight fire with fire, you will only end up with ashes!"

and whatever the case is it seems like he died as a muslim and ALLAH knows best.

[kucheravka]

Still, if someone is a HEARTLESS miniture dajjaal it does'nt make it right for you to be a HEARTLESS miniture dajjaal. full stop. gaddafi was nuts, bizarre and a crazy tyrant but what do people get by disrespecting even his DEAD body??? remember after all he is the father, brother, grandpa uncle and husband of someone, he also had people who loved him and cannot be blamed or held responsible for his tyrannical behaviour... WHY is it so impossible for us to see things from a humane perspective?

"If you fight fire with fire, you will only end up with ashes!"

Respected sister,

I think you fail to see that no one here has condoned the mistreatment of Qadhdhafi's corpse, so repeating something on which we all agree is somehow futile and takes our focus away from the main points of the issue..

[TerriLS]

oh right, as long as everone agree's i won't be repeating this!