[rasiasertew]

This is the reply to the post here:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post680420

A user made it into a separate thread but later on it was deleted.

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A Part of Islam - specially when it is a established Sunnah practiced by all the Anbiya esp by our Beloved Prophet Muhammad and practiced by all the Sahaba will be encouraged no matter what. If a sunnah is made evil and unpracticable by the mindset of the society, it needs to be more encouraged in general. Individual circumstances come afterwards. Every person can think for himself whether he needs to follow a sunnah or not. In every sunnah, there is a special type of blessing and benefit. The grave effects are also specific to leaving that special sunnah.

Take miswaak for example. Miswaak is a sunnah - Sunnah Muakkadah. By using it we gain many spiritual benefits as well as worldly. Both are explained in Hadith by our beloved Prophet Muhammad - he said that Miswaak is a way to please your Rabb and a tool for cleanliness of the mouth. Leaving this sunnah will lead to problems specific to this sunnah. It will cause problems in the teeth.

It is the same as encouraging young boys and girls to get married. We often hear many 'Ulama advising people to get married at a young age. General encouragement is always there BUT it differs from case to case. One young boy might not be able to marry and create problems in the family but it doesn't mean that we stop encouraging people to marry young esp when it has been encouraged by Allah and his Rasool.

If a sunnah is thought to be as bad in society, do you leave it or do you encourage it? Do you stop mentioning it or do you revive it's mention? If you stop mentioning it, it will be forgotton after some time just like Ta'addud. One brother from SF was telling me how he didn't know that ta'addud is a sunnah.

How do you get the AJR of 100 Shaheeds for reviving a dead sunnah? What does reviving a dead sunnah means? To revive it in a time when people have either forgotten it OR people think bad about it.

Another example is that of a boy who wants to become an Alim while his family is against it. We have a brother like that on SF. He fought and fought and begged Ulama to pursuade his parents to let him become Alim. It created problems in his family but nobody advised him not to become Alim because it will create problems in your family? NO. Everybody advised him to talk to parents and be steadfast.

Similarly, we don't leave a sunnah just because society hates it and people don't like it. This thinking is the same as those modernists who adopt a maazrat khwahana (apologetic) attitude on Islam when people object on some parts. There are countless examples but the best is: Islam spread by sword or Akhlaaq? Now we go on the backfoot and try to justify and make excuses. What we have to do is stand up with our heads high and tell them YES, Islam was implemented in half the world by Sword. And yes, Majority of Makkah entered Islam in great numbers when Our Nabi went to Makkah as a soldier not as a da'ee. We think that Akhlaaq only means to say Yes sir. When you are weak you will say Yes sir, what else can you do? Forgiving everyone when you have power is the real quality of Islam.

When Rasool Allah conquered Makkah BY FORCE, the mushrikeen were afraid of what will happen to them because they had expelled Rasool Allah from Makkah. What did our Nabi do? He said, I will say to you what Yusuf said to his brothers: لا تثريب عليكم اليوم... There is no accusation on you today. And then he announced that whoever enters the house of Abu Sufyan will be spared, whoever enters Kaaba will be forgiven, whoever closes his door will be given peace. But still there were some mushrikeen who were killed while they were clung to the walls of Kaaba.

As I was saying, some problems arise by leaving specific sunnahs and they are cured only by following those sunnats. Ta'addud is not the only way to help the widows and divorcees but it is the best way to help them. A woman doesn't only need money and orphans don't just need shelter houses to live in. They need fatherly figures to guide them and protect them. A woman needs companionship. This suggestion is in line with Quran and Sunnah. Yes single men can also marry divorcees but if they do, then who will marry the virgin girls? This whole problem of marriage we see around us is the result of leaving the sunnah of ta'addud. We can accept it or not but it is true. Divorces have also been in existence and they will always be. You cannot eradicate divorces no matter how pious you become, you cannot become more pious than Sahaba. As I said in another thread, the problem is to get them married. And being a widow, you can't help it no matter what you do. You can't stop death from coming to your husband.

The whole problem with us - Ummah - is nafsi nafis. I come first. My husband, my quality time, my children, my house, my money, my wealth, Why should I share it with someone else?

Jealousy: It will always remain in humans. It was always there and will always be there except in Jannah. When Allah and His Rasool did not consider it a valid reason for discouraging Ta'addud then who are we to use it as an excuse?

Another problem with us that we worry to much about non - muslims more than we should. We don't worry about muslims at all. What did Allah and his Rasool say? Allah said, انما المؤمنون اخوة - Mumineen are Brothers! and what did his messenger say? المسلمون كجسد واحد ان اشتكي عينه اشتكي كله وان اشتكي راسه اشتكي كله -- Muslims are like a body, if the eye hurts the whole body hurts, if the head hurts, the whole body hurts. But have we ever seen how we behave with muslims and how our tones change when dealing with non muslims? Isn't it contradictory to Islam?

If non muslims or muslims do not like a part of Islam, we do not hide it out of shame. We still keep on expressing it and make dua that Allah opens their hearts to accept the truth.

The adl part of Ta'addud has been explained again and again. If someone still portrays it as impossible then I make dua that Allah gives them hidayat. It is hard but not impossible. When you do something for Allah, Allah makes it easy for you. And on the contrary if you do something easy without the help of Allah, it will be very difficult to do it. Now, as humans there is bound to be injustices between the two wives but Allah has given a solution for it. The solution is to ask forgiveness of the wives. But to use injustice as an excuse to completely wipe out a Sunnah is not a good thing. When Rasool Allah said that the person who does not do justice between two wives, he will come on Qayamat day and one side of his body will be fallen. This hadith does not mean that you stop practicing it altogether. Sahaba had more taqwa than us, they feared Allah more than us. Did they leave ta'addud? NO! They did not, but they made sure that they did Adl.

We said that if a brother takes a step to marry a second time and he has complete intention of doing ADL, then after that IF he fails to do it, We hope that the wives will insha'Allah forgive him and Allah will also forgive him.

Grave injustices to the rights of parents are found all over the society today. Does that mean we stop having children altogether for the fear of them going into hell for not fulfilling the rights of the parents.

And an easier example is that of single marriages. There are countless millions of examples where husbands fail tto fulfill rights of the wives and inturn there are bitter divorces. Does this mean we should stop encouraging marriage altogether? Or does it mean that we should encourage marriages and encourage fulfillment of rights more than the marriage itself?

Many times sisters find themsevles in situations where they have turned 35-36 and still unmarried. They turn towards deen in this age and now they want a husband even if it means being a second wife. What they are willing to do is let go of their rights so that they don't have to adjust to the new household of the husband. This is called misyar marriage and it has been allowed by Ulama and encouraged in some cases.

This does not mean that women are lesser humans than men. It is just a way for the women who themselves willingly let go of their rights to enjoy a halal relationship with a married man when they fail to find unmarried men who would marry them.

We have an example of Hazrat Sawda who let go of her rights when Rasool Allah thought of divorcing her.

The problem is that we have our own thoughts and beliefs and criterias. Anything or anyone who doesn't fit it, we automatically think it is bad. And the worst problem is that we Muslims go on the backfoot trying to make excuses for perfectly okay things. Our mentality is to try to blend in the culture and make Islam suitable for them.

Example: Terrorism. No need to explain this, the whole world knows what it is about.

What was mentioned about husband not obliged to pay the medical bills was in response to the sister who said that women are not obliged to cook for the husband. The point was to show that if everyone goes on about their rights without any sacrifice and Ahsaan then the wheel of marriage cannot run smoothly.

Rights are defined by Fuqaha to protect your interests in extreme cases. They are not there that you start demanding them the moment you enter into a relationship. No doubt it will destroy the marriage from the first day.

Whatever else has been mentioned in the points above is mentioned by 'Ulama. Only they can give better explanations about them.

Rasool Allah stopped one Sahabi from marrying a barren woman. I'm sure most of us know this hadith and this hadith is used by many people to ask then where will these baanjh ladies go?

We can either switch to defensive mode and start giving excuses and get emotional when someone threatens us that they will leave Islam because of this hadith, OR we can tell them that this is the most logical thing which our Prophet advised. We can give them a proper explanation and then rest depends on them. We can't force someone to become a muslim if they find problems with Islam neither do we want them to leave Islam just because they can't comprehend somethings. They should also exercise some patience and try to understand things before they blame Islam for their problems.

Why is it that we always start to blame Islam for our problems and start to complain to Allah that WHY ME? and when it comes to the blessings like a good husband, a big house, a great car, nice job.. We never say, WHY ME? Do we ever think about the dying children in afghanistan, why them? why not us?

There are feminists who hate the whole Idea of marriage and see it as a disgrace to women!

There are feminists who think that having children is a disgrace to women!

Rasool Allah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam has clearly encouraged us to marry fertile loving women to have more children so that he can be proud on the day of Qayamat on the number of our Ummat.

This hadith can be used to say that Islam thinks of women as baby making factories and this is why I should stay away from Islam.

These are just excuses.

We muslims are clearly going against quran ,hadith , sahaba and Fuqaha of the Salaf and then we dress our wishes with Islamic attires to portray ourselves as great muslims.

Sahaba married just to have children as I have repeatedly mentioned the story of Hazrat Umar Radhi ALlahu unhu when he wanted to marry again and said Wallahi I dont have any interest in marriage but to have more children to make my Nabi proud of myself!

Sahaba wanted to have children to make nabi proud when they had done ENOUGH in HIS life alone which made him proud but still they didn't leave anything.

But we are the exact opposite, we don't want to make our nabi proud of us because WE ARE THE PERFECT MUSLIMS....

We make excuses not to have more children like it will be difficult to give them good tarbiyat.

Why can't we handle 10-12 children when we can go to Islamic organisations and give proper good tarbiyat to 100s of children?

These people should try to strengthen their bonds with Allah rather than taking back steps cause of one post on one thread of a forum. I see this attitude as irresponsible. It is the same as people saying, we don't keep beards because bearded people do ZINA. We don't wear niqabs and hijab because Hijabi girls go on dating with men.

I will end this post with an Ayat:

كتب عليكم القتال وهو كره لكم وعسي ان تكرهوا شيئا وهو خيرلكم و عسي ان تحبوا شيئا وهو شرلكم والله يعلم وانتم لا تعلمون

Fighting is enjoined upon you, while it is hard on you. It could be that you dislike something, when it is good for you; and it could be that you like something when it is bad for you. Allah knows, and you do not know.

That's All.

[rasiasertew]

Most of the points raised in that post were either genuine failure of understanding or were deliberate attempt at distorting the facts.

Allah knows best.

I leave the matter to Allah and ask for forgiveness for holding any kind of bad gumani.

[AliceFromHouston]

Most of the points raised in that thread were either genuine failure of understanding or were deliberate attempt at distorting the facts.

Allah knows best.

I leave the matter to Allah and ask for forgiveness for holding any kind of bad gumani.

to you molana for such precise and well put points

[Appeselve]

As-Salaamu ‘alaikum wa-Rahmatullah

Brother in Islam,

If I may very humbly bring up a few points in respect to your interesting discussion:

1.) You mentioned the Hadith wherein Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) stopped a Sahabi from marrying a barren woman.

The following is subject to correction:

From what I have learnt,

> Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa-Sallam) prevented the Sahabi from marrying the barren woman, knowing that he would like to have children.

> Also an increase in the Ummat was required at the time he was advised.

> It was not in the category of prohibition.


Shariah does not say that a woman who cannot conceive should not get married. Shariah does not deny any person the bounty of marriage. Shariah accommodates all.

If a man accepts such a woman, then there is no problem.
There are many men who have accepted that they will not father children … sometimes it is due to the condition of the wife, and often it is due to the condition of the husband, himself.

2.) The points about rights in Islam, sacrifice and ihsaan, brought to mind the following beautiful piece of advice by Shaykh Yunus Patel (RA).

“Do not go by the book of “My Rights”. Go by the book of Love, Ihsaan and Khidmat.

In other words, if every person goes out of his or her way to fulfil the rights of others, instead of demanding his or her own rights, or goes a step further than just fulfillment of rights, i.e. he or she goes out of his or her way to be kind, caring, loving and forgiving, then automatically this world will become a paradise.

The unfortunate part is that the husband opens the chapter of his rights, and the wife opens the chapter of her rights. The parents open the chapter of their rights, and the children, of their rights. The teacher, his rights and the pupils, their rights and then everyone demands fulfillment of these rights.

No doubt, rights have been declared so that no person should stop short of their fulfillment, but you cannot have a peaceful society if there are just demands for rights and no fulfillment of the corresponding obligations.”

Extract from “Hedayatus Saalikeen” by Shaykh Yunus Patel (RA)
Website : YunusPatel.co.za

[Kalobbis]

Bismillah
whatever the case mA it is very well summed up. jazaakAllahu khayra
Let Allah SWT help us to follow His guidance willingly. Amin
We ummah have really messed up in almost every way possible from individual level to family to political level.

[rasiasertew]

As-Salaamu ‘alaikum wa-Rahmatullah

Brother in Islam,

If I may very humbly bring up a few points in respect to your interesting discussion

Thank you for the explanation, this is the exact thing I said, read the bold underlined part:

We can either switch to defensive mode and start giving excuses and get emotional when someone threatens us that they will leave Islam because of this hadith, OR we can tell them that this is the most logical thing which our Prophet advised. We can give them a proper explanation and then rest depends on them. We can't force someone to become a muslim if they find problems with Islam neither do we want them to leave Islam just because they can't comprehend somethings. They should also exercise some patience and try to understand things before they blame Islam for their problems.

[rasiasertew]

My point is that instead of being apologists and pretending as if we CARE more about NON-Muslims than Rasool Allah and Sahaba, we should give some importance to muslims for a change and stop being apologists and stop hiding parts of Islam which the non muslims don't like.

ان الله لا يستحيي ان يضرب مثلا ما بعوضة فما فوقها

Allah is not ashamed of giving examples of mosquitos!

And again, Surah Abasa will be good read and its tafseer.

Rasool Allah was giving dawah to the leaders of Quraish when a Blind Sahabi walked and asked Rasool Allah something. Rasool Allah didn't like it because he was giving dawah to those leaders which was a unique chance and secondly the blind Sahabi can ask anytime.

Allah revealed this whole Surah reprimanding Rasool Allah for not paying attention to the muslim.

[VYholden]

As Maulana Tariq Jameel Saheb always says in his bayans:

"Ham nazariyati tor pe shikast kha chuke hain"

[rasiasertew]

Sheikh db, I am having difficulty understanding how you can claim that Islam was spread by force? For if it was spread by force why would Sayyidul Ambia allow jizya? and if force were used why have I never read anywhere about any sahabi telling a mushrik/kafir to accept islam at swordpoint? Force was used to dawah and other reasons but islam was certainly not spread by sword...or how could the sahabi be fida'i of Rasulullah :saws: after being forced to accept islam?

I said Islam was implemented by force NOT spread by force.
This is as obvious as the SUN in the afternoon. If you don't conquer an Area with force, thousands of people do not enter Islam.

Ever wondered why the whole arab world is majority Muslim today? Just by dawah?

Read Fath e Makkah and read Conquests of Sahaba.

My question is, If Muhammad bin Qasim hadn't come to India with an army, would there be thousands of muslims in India today?

And it is common sense and a saying in arabic,

الناس علي دين ملوكهم

People are on the deen of their leaders.

When you have power, people are impressed by you. When you don't have power, you beg people to accept Islam. This is what is happening today!

More later, have to sleep.

[kertUtire]

for that most enlightening post Maulana Taliban. It contained many pieces of naseehat that if reflected upon with the due care that it requires will make many issues appear clear to the sincere heart.

The whole issue rests on us NOT attempting to make Islam fit with the Western concept of living. Allah Ta'ala and His Rasool has provided us with the most complete way of living. We do not need to make justifcation but we are to stand up firm and declare our religion. Islam will always be unpalatable to the kuffaar due to the fact that so many rules of Islam are diametrically opposed to the kuffaar way of living. Allah Ta'ala has told the Mu'mineen that they will never be happy with our religion until you embrace theirs. Whether this be Christianity, Secularism, Atheism, Democracy etc... Allah Ta'ala states,


2:120 - And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.

Muslims forget that when Filistine was conquered by the Sahaabah and Hadhrat Umar arrived the other senior Sahaabah were waiting for him. He entered upon them and his camel was dirty and thirsty. He took the camel to the waterhole and entered into the water with his camel. Hadhrat Abu Ubaidah ibn al Jarrah mentioned to him that it would demean his rank as Ameer-ul-Mu'mineen in the presence of the Christians due to his action. What did he say? He said 'O Abu Ubaidah we are honoured through Islam'. Imagine this. Honour only through Islam. This is a lost concept for many Muslims. May Allah Ta'ala save myself first and foremost from this.

As you rightly state Muslims cannot be fully submitted to Islam until we fully accept without finding any resistance within ourselves to the ahkaam of the Shariah no matter how incomprehensible they might seem. Allah Ta'ala states,

4:65 But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.

However, instead of opening our hearts to this wonderful code of living we try to make it mould to the standards of the kuffaar.

May Allah Ta'ala guide us all and open up our hearts fully to His guidance.

[logpogingg]

Here is the reply I wrote.


A Part of Islam - specially when it is a established Sunnah practiced by all the Anbiya esp by our Beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu alayhe wassallam and practiced by all the Sahaba will be encouraged no matter what. If a sunnah is made evil and unpracticable by the mindset of the society, it needs to be more encouraged in general. Individual circumstances come afterwards. Every person can think for himself whether he needs to follow a sunnah or not. In every sunnah, there is a special type of blessing and benefit. The grave effects are also specific to leaving that special sunnah.

Take miswaak for example. Miswaak is a sunnah - Sunnah Muakkadah. By using it we gain many spiritual benefits as well as worldly. Both are explained in Hadith by our beloved Prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhe wassalam - he said that Miswaak is a way to please your Rabb and a tool for cleanliness of the mouth. Leaving this sunnah will lead to problems specific to this sunnah. It will cause problems in the teeth.

If a sunnah is thought to be as bad in society, do you leave it or do you encourage it? Do you stop mentioning it or do you revive it's mention? If you stop mentioning it, it will be forgotton after some time just like Ta'addud. One brother from SF was telling me how he didn't know that ta'addud is a sunnah.

How do you get the AJR of 100 Shaheeds for reviving a dead sunnah? What does reviving a dead sunnah means? To revive it in a time when people have either forgotten it OR people think bad about it.

Similarly, we don't leave a sunnah just because society hates it and people don't like it. This thinking is the same as those modernists who adopt a maazrat khwahana (apologetic) attitude on Islam when people object on some parts. There are countless examples but the best is: Islam spread by sword or Akhlaaq? Now we go on the backfoot and try to justify and make excuses. What we have to do is stand up with our heads high and tell them YES, Islam was implemented in half the world by Sword. And yes, Majority of Makkah entered Islam in great numbers when Our Nabi went to Makkah as a soldier not as a da'ee. We think that Akhlaaq only means to say Yes sir. When you are weak you will say Yes sir, what else can you do? Forgiving everyone when you have power is the real quality of Islam.

When Rasool Allah sallalahu hu alay he wassallam conquered Makkah BY FORCE, the mushrikeen were afraid of what will happen to them because they had expelled Rasool Allah sallalahu alayhe wassallam from Makkah. What did our Nabi do? He said, I will say to you what Yusuf said to his brothers: لا تثريب عليكم اليوم... There is no accusation on you today. And then he announced that whoever enters the house of Abu Sufyan will be spared, whoever enters Kaaba will be forgiven, whoever closes his door will be given peace. But still there were some mushrikeen who were killed while they were clung to the walls of Kaaba.

As I was saying, some problems arise by leaving specific sunnahs and they are cured only by following those sunnats. Ta'addud is not the only way to help the widows and divorcees but it is the best way to help them. A woman doesn't only need money and orphans don't just need shelter houses to live in. They need fatherly figures to guide them and protect them. A woman needs companionship. This suggestion is in line with Quran and Sunnah. Yes single men can also marry divorcees but if they do, then who will marry the virgin girls? This whole problem of marriage we see around us is the result of leaving the sunnah of ta'addud. We can accept it or not but it is true. Divorces have also been in existence and they will always be. You cannot eradicate divorces no matter how pious you become, you cannot become more pious than Sahaba. As I said in another thread, the problem is to get them married. And being a widow, you can't help it no matter what you do. You can't stop death from coming to your husband.

The whole problem with us - Ummah - is nafsi nafis. I come first. My husband, my quality time, my children, my house, my money, my wealth, Why should I share it with someone else?

Jealousy: It will always remain in humans. It was always there and will always be there except in Jannah. When Allah and His Rasool did not consider it a valid reason for discouraging Ta'addud then who are we to use it as an excuse?

Another problem with us that we worry to much about non - muslims more than we should. We don't worry about muslims at all. What did Allah and his Rasool say? Allah said, انما المؤمنون اخوة - Mumineen are Brothers! and what did his messenger say? المسلمون كجسد واحد ان اشتكي عينه اشتكي كله وان اشتكي راسه اشتكي كله -- Muslims are like a body, if the eye hurts the whole body hurts, if the head hurts, the whole body hurts. But have we ever seen how we behave with muslims and how our tones change when dealing with non muslims? Isn't it contradictory to Islam?

If non muslims or muslims do not like a part of Islam, we do not hide it out of shame. We still keep on expressing it and make dua that Allah opens their hearts to accept the truth.

The adl part of Ta'addud has been explained again and again. If someone still portrays it as impossible then I make dua that Allah gives them hidayat. It is hard but not impossible. When you do something for Allah, Allah makes it easy for you. And on the contrary if you do something easy without the help of Allah, it will be very difficult to do it. Now, as humans there is bound to be injustices between the two wives but Allah has given a solution for it. The solution is to ask forgiveness of the wives. But to use injustice as an excuse to completely wipe out a Sunnah is not a good thing. When Rasool Allah said that the person who does not do justice between two wives, he will come on Qayamat day and one side of his body will be fallen. This hadith does not mean that you stop practicing it altogether. Sahaba had more taqwa than us, they feared Allah more than us. Did they leave ta'addud? NO! They did not, but they made sure that they did Adl.

We said that if a brother takes a step to marry a second time and he has complete intention of doing ADL, then after that IF he fails to do it, We hope that the wives will insha'Allah forgive him and Allah will also forgive him.

Grave injustices to the rights of parents are found all over the society today. Does that mean we stop having children altogether for the fear of them going into hell for not fulfilling the rights of the parents.

And an easier example is that of single marriages. There are countless millions of examples where husbands fail tto fulfill rights of the wives and inturn there are bitter divorces. Does this mean we should stop encouraging marriage altogether? Or does it mean that we should encourage marriages and encourage fulfillment of rights more than the marriage itself?

We have an example of Hazrat Sawda radhiallahu anha who let go of her rights when Rasool Allah sallalahu alayhe wassallam thought of divorcing her.

The problem is that we have our own thoughts and beliefs and criterias. Anything or anyone who doesn't fit it, we automatically think it is bad. And the worst problem is that we Muslims go on the backfoot trying to make excuses for perfectly okay things. Our mentality is to try to blend in the culture and make Islam suitable for them.

Example: Terrorism. No need to explain this, the whole world knows what it is about.

What was mentioned about husband not obliged to pay the medical bills was in response to the sister who said that women are not obliged to cook for the husband. The point was to show that if everyone goes on about their rights without any sacrifice and Ahsaan then the wheel of marriage cannot run smoothly.

Rights are defined by Fuqaha to protect your interests in extreme cases. They are not there that you start demanding them the moment you enter into a relationship. No doubt it will destroy the marriage from the first day.

We can either switch to defensive mode and start giving excuses and get emotional when someone threatens us that they will leave Islam because of this hadith, OR we can tell them that this is the most logical thing which our Prophet advised. We can give them a proper explanation and then rest depends on them. We can't force someone to become a muslim if they find problems with Islam neither do we want them to leave Islam just because they can't comprehend somethings. They should also exercise some patience and try to understand things before they blame Islam for their problems.

Why is it that we always start to blame Islam for our problems and start to complain to Allah that WHY ME? and when it comes to the blessings like a good husband, a big house, a great car, nice job.. We never say, WHY ME? Do we ever think about the dying children in afghanistan, why them? why not us?

There are feminists who hate the whole Idea of marriage and see it as a disgrace to women!

There are feminists who think that having children is a disgrace to women!

Rasool Allah Sallallahu alaihi wasallam has clearly encouraged us to marry fertile loving women to have more children so that he can be proud on the day of Qayamat on the number of our Ummat.

This hadith can be used to say that Islam thinks of women as baby making factories and this is why I should stay away from Islam.

These are just excuses.

We muslims are clearly going against quran ,hadith , sahaba and Fuqaha of the Salaf and then we dress our wishes with Islamic attires to portray ourselves as great muslims.

Sahaba married just to have children as I have repeatedly mentioned the story of Hazrat Umar Radhi ALlahu unhu when he wanted to marry again and said Wallahi I dont have any interest in marriage but to have more children to make my Nabi proud of myself!

Sahaba wanted to have children to make nabi proud when they had done ENOUGH in HIS life alone which made him proud but still they didn't leave anything.

But we are the exact opposite, we don't want to make our nabi proud of us because WE ARE THE PERFECT MUSLIMS....

We make excuses not to have more children like it will be difficult to give them good tarbiyat.

Why can't we handle 10-12 children when we can go to Islamic organisations and give proper good tarbiyat to 100s of children?

These people should try to strengthen their bonds with Allah rather than taking back steps cause of one post on one thread of a forum. I see this attitude as irresponsible. It is the same as people saying, we don't keep beards because bearded people do ZINA. We don't wear niqabs and hijab because Hijabi girls go on dating with men.

I will end this post with an Ayat:

كتب عليكم القتال وهو كره لكم وعسي ان تكرهوا شيئا وهو خيرلكم و عسي ان تحبوا شيئا وهو شرلكم والله يعلم وانتم لا تعلمون

Fighting is enjoined upon you, while it is hard on you. It could be that you dislike something, when it is good for you; and it could be that you like something when it is bad for you. Allah knows, and you do not know.

That's All.

Assalamu alaikuum
Respected brother in Islam May Allah azza wa jal reward you for focusing our attention on many of the issues in various threads ranging from marriage issues to "copy cat" or assimilation of the kaffiroon culture such as "Holidaying", kurooj of Nisa, intermingling etc...with cosmeting in Islamic hues which have been unpalatable to certain brothers and sisters perhaps as a result of sufferring from an inferiority complex as a consequence of being nurtured and being brought up in the culture of the "Occident".

I reproduce herewith a part of my reply to the thread ("danger of the present day pseudo 'traditionists') that may be relevant here:



May Allah azza wa jal protect us from shaitaan the accursed.



“Invite to the way of your lord with HIKMAH (wisdom) and fair exhortation and reason with them in a better way. Lo your lord is best aware of him who strays from his way, and he is best aware of those who go right.(Quran An Nahl 125)

- O you who believe! Follow not shaitaans footsteps. If anyone will follow the footsteps of shaitaan he commands what is shameful and wrong (Surah Nur 21)

- Anas radhiallahu anhu reported that once a group of women came to the prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam and said “ O prohet of Allah! Men have reaped all the rewards of participating in Jihad: show us a deed which would help us reach the rewards of the Mujahidin .“ The Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam replied, Any one of you who stays in her home protecting her modesty and honour will receive the rewards of Jihad.”(Musnad Bazzar)

- Abu Qatadah radhiallahu anhu has reported the Prophet SAW as saying : Jihad, Jumuah Salah and going to the cemetery for burials are not required for women(Tabarani)

It is us who have to adjust to the ways of the salaf of the Khairul Quroon and bring in line our actions to conform to their teachings as they were the best ones to expound on the interpretation of the Shariah to us.

When making Dawah programmes or gatherings it becomes even more imperative not to violate the HUKM of the Shariah. There are a multitude of ways of imparting Islamic teachings with HIKMAH without violating the boundaries of the Shariah. Infact one can highlight the advantages of polygamy, segregation of sexes and the harms of promiscuity and intermingling. Examples like eating on the floor etc… are a mark of humility and engender affection when sharing food from the same plate…The advantages of eating with clean hands and licking of fingers where even the benefits of the enzymes can be harnessed. All the Sunnahs of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam have benefit and these can be explained to people.

In all walks of life our criterion should be to adopt the ways, in every aspect of our lives, to the way of the salaf of the khairul quroon. If we fail in practicing such ways then it is our weakness which we need to strive to rectify in our lives. We should desist from justifying violations of the shariah from those propounded by the fuqaha of the Khairul Quroon. If present day Muslim ‘scholars’ give rulings contrary to the practices of the Sahaabah (radhiallahu anhum) and the Jamhoor opinions of the early fuqaha then the safety of our Imaan is to steer away from them.

One understands the complexities of making dawah step by step. i.e in the first instance perhaps encouraging someone to perform daily salah with Kushooh etc….but always keeping in mind the end goal for all of us is to steer our lives in the footsteps of the salaf of the khairul quroon. Also the violations of the shariah which we commit in dawah or whatever activities of our life should only be attributed to our personal failings and then to seek the forgiveness from Allah SWT. Never should we justify our personal failings with shadh opinions of individual scholars because it assuages our nafs.

Violating the Shariah for the bigger picture can even lead to the following scenario if taken to the extreme as there are no boundaries to this supposed bigger picture e.g. an illicit relationship with a non muslim culminating in the non muslim accepting Islam cannot ever justify the fortuitous ending.

If we start transgressing the limits of the Shariah and then justify those actions as right in the name of Islam and the bigger picture we will end up with another faith with little remnants of Islam left in it as with Christian/Jewish communities where practically nothing is left of their Shariah.

May Allah Ta’ala guide us all to seeratul mustaqeem , inculcate humility, sincerity and forgive our transgressions.

Wa billaahi tawfeeq wal hidaayah.

Any shortcomings and mistakes are mine for which I seek forgiveness of Allah Ta’ala.

[rasiasertew]

Assalamu alaikuum

It is us who have to adjust to the ways of the salaf of the Khairul Quroon and bring in line our actions to conform to their teachings as they were the best ones to expound on the interpretation of the Shariah to us.

SubhanAllah. Very well said. The problem with us that we are intimidated by Kuffar so much that we are even ashmed of following Islam ourselves. We will try our utmost to portray a Islam the non muslims would like. We omit/hide things the kuffar don't like about Islam.

This attitude is called apologetic attitude, as if we are ashamed of why Allah and his Rasool made such an Islam which is not accepted by the kuffar.

May Allah give everyone hidayat and we make dua for the kuffar too. But our problem is that when a muslim turns into a murtad (maazAllah) we don't feel sad but we will give big big fatwas how he is a kafir. But when a kafir rejects Islam or goes more away from Islam because of some things he doesn't like about Islam, we will loose our sleep over it and start blaming Muslims who portray the real Islam for portraying it.

[rasiasertew]

As you rightly state Muslims cannot be fully submitted to Islam until we fully accept without finding any resistance within ourselves to the ahkaam of the Shariah no matter how incomprehensible they might seem. Allah Ta'ala states,

4:65 But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.

May Allah Ta'ala guide us all and open up our hearts fully to His guidance.

Masha'Allah this is the exact Ayat that comes to my mind whenever I feel hesitation about a part of Islam that is unacceptable for me because of either my nature or because of the influence of the media.

Islam means to submit. Being a muslim means to submit your whole body, soul, mind and thoughts to Allah and his Rasool. There is no room for any excuse and any doubt after you have submitted yourself to Allah and his Rasool.

It's not like, hey today I'm a Muslim because Islam lets you get four wives but tomorrow I'm taking a step back because Islam doesn't force my wives to cook for me.

It is not a game. These emotional vibes can work here and they will work on a few people but they won't work infront of Allah.

It is the same as what Shaytaan will say on the day of Qayamat:

Don't blame me, blame yourselves...

[rasiasertew]

Another problem with us is HIKMAH. Today Mudahanat (fear) is turned into Hikmah. We use hikmah as an excuse to attend mixed gatherings. We use hikmah as an excuse to let our kids indulge in Haram. We use hikmah as an excuse not to tell a person what he is doing is Haram. We use Hikmah as an excuse to hide Islam from Kuffar. We use hikmah everywhere..

Who decides what Hikmah is?

Two Sahaba went to the court of a king. They were eating food with them when one of them dropped it on the ground. He picked it up and ate it. The other sahabi told him, what are you doing infront of these? He said, انترك سنة نبينا لهؤلاء السفهاء؟

Should we leave the (blessed) Sunnah of our Prophet for these stupid people?

Sahaba thought of kuffar as stupid for not accepting Islam, and we think Kuffar are super genius for objecting on Islam.

Each and every Sunnah of our Prophet is blessed and we will encourage it. The problems and complications as indicated in the post I replied to, are a result of our own bad deeds and our own hands. We create problems for ourselves and then blame it on Sunnah.

I claim here that NO PROBLEMS CAN EVER BE CREATED BECAUSE OF FOLLOWING A SUNNAH.

It is kufr to think that following a sunnah will create problems.

Yes, you should do it in the best way but if the world is not accepting it then they can go their way, we go our way. We have Allah and Rasool to please, they have the society to please.

[JEWELMARGY]

for all your post. This is one of the most enlightening thread i have come across recently.
Every post is pointing something important, not only about marriage but other topics too.
I request the others to go through each posts in full, as a variety of very relevant topics have been addressed.

[QYD8eQ8F]

for such an excellent thread. (Y)
inshAllah i will read it again later in my free time so that these concepts start to run in my nerves along with my blood.
I wish i was a knowledgeable person and contribute something
Make dua for me

[Innockcroff]

Fantastic thread.

Fantastic posts.

I really cannot express my delight in the first post and how well and clearly it takes apart any arguments anyone may have against polygamy. One thing a few people have raised is to be completely content with the laws of Allah. I cannot for the life of me understand some aspects of slavery allowed in Islam, but just because it doesnt make sense to me doesnt mean it doesnt make sense, it just means in my limited capacity I lack the knowledge to see it's wisdom.

The fact that you see something that doesnt make sense to you can be disastrous if you dont deal with it correctly. This happened to me a few years ago when I almost left Islam, truly, because of issues which didnt make sense. Alhamdulillah for Allah pulling me back, and since then I have learned if I dont understand something, I should still accept it. By all means, I will never stop trying to understand it but I will be careful not to disregard it or go away from Islam because of my lack of understanding.

[AliceFromHouston]

for such an excellent thread. (Y)
inshAllah i will read it again later in my free time so that these concepts start to run in my nerves along with my blood.
I wish i was a knowledgeable person and contribute something
Make dua for me

bro no need to be when we have such ulama/bro's/sisters who are very well versed and clued up with some topics, sometimes it's better to just sit back and listen, rather than thinking that our void thoughts carry any wieght or having void opinions which from time to time we see on this forum.

May allah protect us from mentioning such thoughts and ideas knowingly and unknowingly which take us far away from islam, ameen

[Sertvfdnhgjk]

for the excellent contents of this thread especially the OP which is very comprehensive.

All praises are due to Allah Ta'ala for providing us with a Deen that is absolutely preserved in its purest form because of the Sahaabah and the Salaf (rahmatullahi alayhim).

So far all the contributors are positively providing different input from which all can learn tremendously in the real spirit of Islam.

[snislarne]

ما شاء الله عليك! لا فض فوك