[Fruriourl]

If someone has studied Usool, Aqeedah and Fiqh in arabic, does it qualify him to be called as Shaykh so and so? or those who have done the 'Aalim course and beyond? I ask this because there may be brothers and sisters that have studied some texts such as Nurul Idah, Mukhtasar lil-Quduri, Aqeedah texts and Usool etc,. but not the 'Aalimiyyah and the Iftaa.

Also why do many 'arabs refer to each other as sayyidi or sayyidati etc,. do people who use them as a respect of calling others mean it when they say it or is it just cultural now?

[FelixQY]

If someone has studied Usool, Aqeedah and Fiqh in arabic, does it qualify him to be called as Shaykh so and so? or those who have done the 'Aalim course and beyond? I ask this because there may be brothers and sisters that have studied some texts such as Nurul Idah, Mukhtasar lil-Quduri, Aqeedah texts and Usool etc,. but not the 'Aalimiyyah and the Iftaa.

I think our last discussion on this was more than sufficient.

[Fruriourl]

?

[Fruriourl]

No..

[Phassetus]

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

The origin of the word Sheikh:

This title is originally given to the person who has reached an old age, such as saying:
"This man is an old Sheikh" "هذا شيخ جليل"
and that is regardless of his religion and his knowledge and his race and lineage.

Then the Arabs started using the word Sheikh to refer to those who have important status and rank such as the leaders of a certain tribe, for example:
"They are the Sheikhs of the tribe of bani Tamim" "هؤلاء شيوخ قبيلة بني تميم"

Then the Arabs started using this word to refer to the 'Alim, any 'Alim who has good knowledge is referred to as Sheikh even if he didn't reach such an old age, for example:
"Sheikh al-Islam" "شيخ الإسلام"

In more recent years the title Sheikh was used to refer to some very important business men and politicians in several Arab countries, people in the west understand this word as such also.

In the old days I heard some Huffaz and some Doctors were also awarded the title Sheikh.

[Thunderzee]

Brother Tripoly is correct -- 'shaykh' is merely a term of respect, and there are no formal requirements for having this title. As for whether such a person would be termed an 'alim or not, well, that is another discussion.

[Foucceedo]

Brother Tripoly is correct -- 'shaykh' is merely a term of respect, and there are no formal requirements for having this title. As for whether such a person would be termed an 'alim or not, well, that is another discussion.

I usually call everyone Hazrat and Shaikh. It's the urdu/arabic for Uncle

[heennaRaf]

I usually call everyone Hazrat and Shaikh. It's the urdu/arabic for Uncle

Since it has been exchanged mutually between us-me and you-what is the reality? Am I the uncle or is it you?
Wassalam

[Foucceedo]

Since it has been exchanged mutually between us-me and you-what is the reality? Am I the uncle or is it you?
Wassalam

Don't know the reality, but it was because of Respect.

[rNr5Di3S]

I usually call everyone Hazrat and Shaikh. It's the urdu/arabic for Uncle

He he, i have notice that Moulana. I think its nice to exchange respect and compassion.

[Fruriourl]

I realize that Shaykh --> old man but I am referring to the people nowadays that do lectures and are being called as 'Shaykh'. So does studying Usool, Arabic and etc,. qualify oneself to be a Shaykh? Please refer to post #1 for more info.

[Thunderzee]

I think it depends on what you mean, sayyidi Imaam If they have studied the Nur al-Idah, and they are teaching it to you, they would certainly be a 'shaykh' to you. 'Ustadh' could also be used.

Different places use varying terminology to indicate different things. I notice that in the subcontinent, many people freely use the word 'allamah', whereas in Arabic, this is used for the greatest of 'ulama'. 'Urf thus has a great bearing on the answers to your questions.

was-salam

[Madjostok]

I think it is relative to ones community. If you are considered as one of the more learned, it's normal that they will look at you as a Mawlana, Shaykh, Imam, Alim or whatever... based on their understanding of such terms. And this varies from culture to culture. In some circles one may be seen as the Shaykh (of Ilm), in the other a beginner student of knowledge

waLlahu a'lam

[FelixQY]

Forget about what people consider others. Makhluq can neither benefit nor harm eachother without Allah's leave! So, what really matters is: What does my Rabb consider me? Does He even consider me a true believer? Never mind 'Alim or Shaykh.

Hadhrat-Ji Maulana Inaamul Hassan gave once a speech to old workers. After the masnoon Khutbah he starred at the gathering. Then his gaze dropped to the ground without saying a word. He then lifted his head again, but before he found the strength to utter the words he lowered his head again. Then he looked at the crowd for a third time and said: "Everyone calls us Tablighis. In the whole world we are known as Tablighis. But does Allah ta'ala also consider us as Tablighis?" This was enough to make the whole gathering of old workers cry profusely. Without a doubt the words of our elders had an amazng effect on the hearts of people.

I know might be quite off here, but this came just in my mind.

[heennaRaf]

Hadhrat-Ji Maulana Inaamul Hassan gave once a speech to old workers. After the masnoon Khutbah he starred at the gathering. Then his gaze dropped to the ground without saying a word. He then lifted his head again, but before he found the strength to utter the words he lowered his head again. Then he looked at the crowd for a third time and said: "Everyone calls us Tablighis. In the whole world we are known as Tablighis. But does Allah ta'ala also consider us as Tablighis?" This was enough to make the whole gathering of old workers cry profusely. Without a doubt the words of our elders had an amazng effect on the hearts of people.

Wallahi what an anecdote! And you do have a way to express it. .
Again my apologies too for not being able to answer the OP meaningfully.
Wassalam