[SetSnonejog]

Hi everyone. I am starting a new thread here. My new found friend has kindly agreed to engage in a discussion (versus a debate). My point is basically this - Nabi Ya Kareem Rasulullah did not tell the women to wear any such thing known as purdah, burqah, niqab, head cover etc. The word Hijab is used quite generally (and also very loosely) when discussing attire for Muslim women. Again my point is Nabi ya Kareem did not teach us such things. Muslim women are bound to dress decently nd to lengthen their arments and not to display of their beauty beyond that which is apparent. This does not include covering the head, face, neck, arms up to the wrists, feet up to the ankles etc. This is my view. This is my opening statement. I will leave it to anyone plus to continue the discussion. Thank you and Salamun.

[compiit]

Bismillah
I care little about opinions from laymen. Anyway, here is something formulated by scholars looking into the subject of muslim dress code.
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ht=#post575463
Allahualam

[soajerwaradaY]

Hi everyone. I am starting a new thread here. My new found friend has kindly agreed to engage in a discussion (versus a debate). My point is basically this - Nabi Ya Kareem Rasulullah did not tell the women to wear any such thing known as purdah, burqah, niqab, head cover etc. The word Hijab is used quite generally (and also very loosely) when discussing attire for Muslim women. Again my point is Nabi ya Kareem did not teach us such things. Muslim women are bound to dress decently nd to lengthen their arments and not to display of their beauty beyond that which is apparent. This does not include covering the head, face, neck, arms up to the wrists, feet up to the ankles etc. This is my view. This is my opening statement. I will leave it to anyone plus ------ to continue the discussion. Thank you and Salamun.

:jzk: for your reply Br Nomadic. That is correct. Your view is not the view in Islam.

Follow your scholars and the pious predecessors.

[VIAGRA-]

Hi everyone. I am starting a new thread here. My new found friend ----- has kindly agreed to engage in a discussion (versus a debate). My point is basically this - Nabi Ya Kareem Rasulullah did not tell the women to wear any such thing known as purdah, burqah, niqab, head cover etc. The word Hijab is used quite generally (and also very loosely) when discussing attire for Muslim women. Again my point is Nabi ya Kareem did not teach us such things. Muslim women are bound to dress decently nd to lengthen their arments and not to display of their beauty beyond that which is apparent. This does not include covering the head, face, neck, arms up to the wrists, feet up to the ankles etc. This is my view. This is my opening statement. I will leave it to anyone plus ----- to continue the discussion. Thank you and Salamun.

The obligation of hijab is ma'lum min al-din bil-dharura and denying it is apostasy. Please reconsider what you have done.

[gimffnfabaykal]

I wonder why your friend would want to set out to a encourage further promiscuity and immodesty in the already fully corrupted, shameless filthy fitna laden world we currently live..the only reason I could think of is that your friend is a pervert!

from http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/wo...t_required.htm

Allah says in the most Holy Quran "And Say to the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (see the explanation below), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna" (Surah An-Nur, Verses #30 and #31)

We will see how the Salaf understood this matter:
1) The opinion of the Sahaba:

Ibn Abbas (ra) is one of the most learned men of the Sahaba (Companions). Prophet Muhammad ((may Peace Be Upon Him)) even prayed for him saying "O Allah, make him acquire a deep understanding of the religion of Islam and instruct him in the meaning and interpretation of things." He with reference to Surah An-Nur “except only that which is apparent” as Ibn Kathir narrated with a Sahih (authentic) chain of narrators, said it’s "The hand, the ring, and the face." Abdullah Ibn Omar Ibn Al-Khattab (ra) said “the face and the two hands”. Anas Ibn Malik (ra) said “the hand and the ring”. Ibn Hazm said: “all of this (statements) are in the highest of accuracy. And so are statements by Ali (ra), Aisha (ra), and other Tabi’een”.

Now you have to think who would understand these verses better than Aisha (ra) the MOST knowledgeable woman in the matters of Islam and the wife of Prophet Muhammad ((may Peace Be Upon Him))?
2) Scholars among the Tabi’een had many opinions on this matter:

Some said a woman should cover all of her body except the face and the hands. This is the saying of Imam Malik, Al-Hadi, Al-Qasim (in one of his narrations), and Imam Abu Hanifa (in one of his two narrations).

Some said she should cover all her body except the face, the hands, and the foot. This is the saying of Imam Abu Hanifa (in another narration), Al-Qasim, and Ath-thouri. Some said she should cover all her body except the face. This is the saying of Ibn Hanbal and Dawood.

No one said the face of a woman is loins (‘Aura) except a weak narration from Ibn Hanbal and some Shafi’i scholars!

Sa'id ibn Jubayr, 'Ata and al-Awzai have stated explicitly that the showing of the face and hands is permissible. 'Aishah (ra), Qatadah, and others have added bracelets to what may be shown of the adornments; this interpretation implies that a part of the arm may also be shown. Various scholars (such as Abu Yusuf) have allowed the exposure of the lower part of the arm up to a length varying between about four inches to one-half of the arm.

Ibn Hazm is the Imam of the Dhahiri schools (Literal schools) mentioned many accidents prove that it is not required for a woman to cover her face.
3) The opinion of late scholars:

Assuredly a woman is permitted to show her face and hands because covering them would be a hardship on her, especially if she must go out on some lawful business. For example, a widow may have to work to support her children, or a woman who is not well-off may have to help her husband in his work; had covering the face and hands been made obligatory, it would have occasioned such women hardship and distress. Al-Qurtabi says, it seems probable that, since the face and hands are customarily uncovered, and it is, moreover, required that they be uncovered during acts of worship such as Salat and Hajj, the exemption (referred to in the verses of Surah al-Nur) pertains to them.

In addition to this, we may infer from Allah's words, "Tell the believing men that they should lower their gazes", that the faces of the women of the Prophet's time were not veiled. Had the entire body including the face been covered, it would have made no sense to command them to lower their gaze, since there would have been nothing to be seen.

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah ((may Peace Be Upon Him)) wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah ((may Peace Be Upon Him)) turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands. (Narrated by Abu Dawood # 4092).

This Hadith has three authentic narrations and was correct by all Major Hadith scholars such as Albani.

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas: Al-Fadl (his brother) was riding behind Allah's Apostle and a woman from the tribe of Khath'am came and Al-Fadl started looking at her and she started looking at him. The Prophet turned Al-Fadl's face to the other side. The woman said, "O Allah's Apostle! The obligation of Hajj enjoined by Allah on His devotees has become due on my father and he is old and weak, and he cannot sit firm on the Mount; may I perform Hajj on his behalf?" The Prophet replied, "Yes, you may." That happened during the Hajj-al-Wida (of the Prophet). (Narrated by Bukhari # 589, Muslim, and others).

This Hadith is very authentic since it was narrated by Bukhari and Muslim. If she was covering her face then Ibn Abbas would know that she is beautiful! Also prophet ((may Peace Be Upon Him)) did not order the girl to cover her face. This hadith was not abrogated since it happened during Hajj-al-Wida (10 AH) while the Aya of Hijab was revealed in the 5th year after the Hijra.

[parurorges]

^

First of all, why does the member say he is a 'Hanafi' if he is denying something which all scholars (even heretics outside the four schools of thought and the acceptable schools of Aqeedah) have accepted?

Anyhow, Hijab-deniers live in an epistemological 'Alice in Wonderland'. If they want to deny the obligation of Hijab, they may as well deny the existence of Muhammad (Salla Allahu Alayhi Wa Sallam), since both of these things are mass transmitted accounts whose denial is outright apostasy.

Perhaps it would be better for us to discuss the epistemology used by Hijab-deniers (and Hadith/Tawaatur deniers in general), before discussing this particular matter itself. What do the other members think?

(As an aside, one can see the link of this opinion to 'Orientalism' since many Orientalists only base their views on what is written down, and it is clear that Islam is totally based on oral transmission, so a clash is inevitable).

[Usogwdkb]

Hi everyone. I am starting a new thread here. My new found friend ----- has kindly agreed to engage in a discussion (versus a debate). My point is basically this - Nabi Ya Kareem Rasulullah did not tell the women to wear any such thing known as purdah, burqah, niqab, head cover etc. The word Hijab is used quite generally (and also very loosely) when discussing attire for Muslim women. Again my point is Nabi ya Kareem did not teach us such things. Muslim women are bound to dress decently nd to lengthen their arments and not to display of their beauty beyond that which is apparent. This does not include covering the head, face, neck, arms up to the wrists, feet up to the ankles etc. This is my view. This is my opening statement. I will leave it to anyone plus ------ to continue the discussion. Thank you and Salamun.

care to back this up with any references?

you know like from hanafi sources, since your madhab says hanafi.

[jagxj12]

Nomadic, I care little about opinions from lay scholars too.

[Rufio]

Jadeed, "ma'lum min al-din bil-dharura" and referencing it to hijab is not from Allah or the Rasool.
Please do not attribute things to Allah and the Rasool wildly. The creed of the Muslim should be
'attiulaaha wa attiur rasool' ie obey Allah and obey the Rasool.

[Lgcjqxlw]

Hafiz Gee,

When you sign up on this sunniforum the 'Hanafi" option is already there. Please may I request
the Owner of the forum to also include "Muslim". Then I would have chosen "Muslim". I will provide references
soon.

[ClorrerVeks]

Defending Islam,

Quite a mouthful sir. 'acceptable schools of aqeedah'? I am not being rude but which Jewish sect do you belong to? Why do you use
the language of the jews when you want to discuss Islam? Please Google or Yahoo 'Aqeedah in the Bible'. You will see that aqeedah (aqeeedat)
referring to faith issues is a Hebrew word from the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrews tie the concept of aqeedat to binding faith
as in Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac (Aqeedat Yitzhak). There is no such thing as 'aqeedah' relating to faith in the teachings of Nabi Ya Kareem.

[Qrhzbadu]

Defending Islam,

Quite a mouthful sir. 'acceptable schools of aqeedah'? I am not being rude but which Jewish sect do you belong to? Why do you use
the language of the jews when you want to discuss Islam? Please Google or Yahoo 'Aqeedah in the Bible'. You will see that aqeedah (aqeeedat)
referring to faith issues is a Hebrew word from the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrews tie the concept of aqeedat to binding faith
as in Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac (Aqeedat Yitzhak). There is no such thing as 'aqeedah' relating to faith in the teachings of Nabi Ya Kareem.

Your friend has that Qn or its you?

[Coollabioto]

Muslim4eternity,

A beautiful handle you have chosen for yourself "muslim4eternity". I would like to be an 'awwalu muslimeen' too, if I can.

And you have quoted two verses from the Quran Surah 24:30-31. Here is Surah 24:31

Waqul lilmu'minaati - and say to the trusting women
yagh-dudna min absaarihinna - they withold from their sight
wayahfazna - and they guard
furoojahunna - their private parts
wala yubdeena zeenatahunna - and dont show/expose their ornaments
illa ma thahara minha - except what is visible/obvious from it
walyadribna - and strike
bi - with
khumurihinna - their covers/garments
ala - upon
juyoobihinna - their bosoms
wala yubdeena zeenatahunna - and dont show/expose their ornaments
illa libu'oolatihinna aw aba-ihinna aw aba-i bu'oolatihinna aw abna-ihinna aw abna-i bu'oolatihinna aw ikhwanihinna aw banee ikhwanihinna aw banee akhawatihinna aw nisa-ihinna aw ma malakat aymanuhunna awi attabieena ghayri olee al-irbati mina al rijali - husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the servants who have no urges
awi-ttifli - and young children
allazeena lam yazharoo - those who have no understanding
ala awrati alnnisa - upon women's nakedness
wala yadribna - and do not strike
bi-arjulihinna - with their feet
liyu'alama - to make known
ma yukhfeena - what is hidden
min zeenatihinna - from their ornaments
watooboo ilallaahi jamee'an - and repent towards Allah together
ayyuha almu'minoona - o you mu'minoon
la'allakum tuflihoona - so that you succeed

There is no mention of head (ru'oosa) or of hair in this verse.
Women are required to cover their bosoms and not to strike their feet to expose their hidden ornaments.

The word HIJAAB is also not mentioned here at all. Recall please that the subject is HIJAAB. Yet you have quoted a verse
where the word HIJAAB is not mentioned. This is strange.

Since the subject is HIJAAB and you wish to quote from the Quran please mention one verse at least that does mention HIJAAB.

I am at a loss when you say that the Hadith Bukhari is authentic when the scholars themselves say that the
Hadith Bukhari was not even written by Bukhari. The Sahih Bukhari that is widely accepted today comes to us neatly compiled
by Ibnu Hajar Askalani in the 15th century AD in Cairo - a few years before Columbus discovered America. And 570 years after Bukhari died.
And Ibnu Hajar based his compilation of Bukhari on Khushaymani who died 420 years before him. Khushaymani in turn based his compilation
of Sahih Bukhari on Firabri who died about 70 years before him. But this is what the scholars say. I did not say this. There was no Sahih Bukhari
directly from the hands of Imam Bukhari at any time in history. It is what Ibnu Hajar tells us from Khushaymani who tells us from Firabri over 570 years.

So please be careful before you quote anything in the name of Islam, Allah and the Rasool

[alfredtaniypnx]

I am at a loss when you say that the Hadith Bukhari is authentic when the scholars themselves say that the
Hadith Bukhari was not even written by Bukhari.

Do you belief in authenticity of Ahadith ?..

[dhYTvlAv]

Assalamu alaykum

And we don't want to learn Islam from a person who doesn't believe in hadeeth. We call them munkireen-e-hadeeth, and they are out of islam.

[Vemnagelignc]

Hi everyone. I am starting a new thread here. My new found friend has kindly agreed to engage in a discussion (versus a debate). My point is basically this - Nabi Ya Kareem Rasulullah did not tell the women to wear any such thing known as purdah, burqah, niqab, head cover etc. The word Hijab is used quite generally (and also very loosely) when discussing attire for Muslim women. Again my point is Nabi ya Kareem did not teach us such things. Muslim women are bound to dress decently nd to lengthen their arments and not to display of their beauty beyond that which is apparent. This does not include covering the head, face, neck, arms up to the wrists, feet up to the ankles etc. This is my view. This is my opening statement. I will leave it to anyone plus to continue the discussion. Thank you and Salamun.

393. It is related that 'Umar said, "My Lord agreed with me regarding three things. I said, 'Messenger of Allah, if only we could take the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer,' and it was revealed, "Take the Station of Ibrahim as a place of prayer." Regarding the ayat of the veil, I said, 'Messenger of Allah, I wish you would order your wives to veil themselves because both pious and corrupt men speak to them,' and the ayat of veiling (33:59) was revealed. The wives of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, once banded together against him and I said to them, 'Perhaps his Lord will give him better wives than you if he divorces you,' and the verse regarding this was revealed." (66:5)


Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab"

Sahih Muslim Book 026, Number 5397:

'A'isha reported that the wives of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to go out in the cover of night when they went to open fields (in the outskirts of Medina) for easing themselves. 'Umar b Khattab used to say: Allah's Messenger, ask your ladies to observe veil, but Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) did not do that. So there went out Sauda, daughter of Zama, the wife of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), during one of the nights when it was dark. She was a tall statured lady. 'Umar called her saying: Sauda, we recognise you. (He did this with the hope that the verses pertaining to veil would be revealed.) 'A'isha said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, then revealed the verses pertaining to veil

[Jadykeery]

393. It is related that 'Umar said, "My Lord agreed with me regarding three things. I said, 'Messenger of Allah, if only we could take the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer,' and it was revealed, "Take the Station of Ibrahim as a place of prayer." Regarding the ayat of the veil, I said, 'Messenger of Allah, I wish you would order your wives to veil themselves because both pious and corrupt men speak to them,' and the ayat of veiling (33:59) was revealed. The wives of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, once banded together against him and I said to them, 'Perhaps his Lord will give him better wives than you if he divorces you,' and the verse regarding this was revealed." (66:5)


Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab"

Sahih Muslim Book 026, Number 5397:

'A'isha reported that the wives of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to go out in the cover of night when they went to open fields (in the outskirts of Medina) for easing themselves. 'Umar b Khattab used to say: Allah's Messenger, ask your ladies to observe veil, but Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) did not do that. So there went out Sauda, daughter of Zama, the wife of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), during one of the nights when it was dark. She was a tall statured lady. 'Umar called her saying: Sauda, we recognise you. (He did this with the hope that the verses pertaining to veil would be revealed.) 'A'isha said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, then revealed the verses pertaining to veil

The guy is a Pervezi they do not believe in Hadith of the Prophet, instead they follow the sunnah and teachings of Ghulam Ahmed Pervez unanimously declared Kafir by the Ulemah of this ummah. He rejeted Hadith and claimed he was following QURAN only, after being influenced by Western Philosophies and communism He even did a hotpotched Tafseer of the Quran using own logic and western and communist philosophies. Perwezi are followers of a modernist cult.

[NaMbessemab]

Defending Islam,

Quite a mouthful sir. 'acceptable schools of aqeedah'? I am not being rude but which Jewish sect do you belong to? Why do you use
the language of the jews when you want to discuss Islam? Please Google or Yahoo 'Aqeedah in the Bible'. You will see that aqeedah (aqeeedat)
referring to faith issues is a Hebrew word from the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrews tie the concept of aqeedat to binding faith
as in Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac (Aqeedat Yitzhak). There is no such thing as 'aqeedah' relating to faith in the teachings of Nabi Ya Kareem. One response, and I am accused of being a Jew, even though I have to say that I do appreciate the members' acknowledgement that he comes accross as rude. If we were under a Muslim government and this has been said to my face, I would have taken measures against the one who calls me a non-Muslim.

Arguing that the root for 'Aqeedah' is close to the Hebrew is really silly, since there is a lot of commonality between the roots of Arabic and Hebrew. Perhaps our member subscribes to the theory that Muhammad (SAW) learned all of his knowledge from the Jewish Rabbis in Madinah - a belief that is quite common among the Jewish Orientalists of the past few centuries.

Alas, the only thing we can reasonably say is for this member and all of us to try to learn the proper Islamic knowledge from those who know the material, before jumping to baseless conclusions.

[Khurlxgq]

393. It is related that 'Umar said, "My Lord agreed with me regarding three things. I said, 'Messenger of Allah, if only we could take the Maqam of Ibrahim as a place of prayer,' and it was revealed, "Take the Station of Ibrahim as a place of prayer." Regarding the ayat of the veil, I said, 'Messenger of Allah, I wish you would order your wives to veil themselves because both pious and corrupt men speak to them,' and the ayat of veiling (33:59) was revealed. The wives of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, once banded together against him and I said to them, 'Perhaps his Lord will give him better wives than you if he divorces you,' and the verse regarding this was revealed." (66:5)


Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab"

Sahih Muslim Book 026, Number 5397:

'A'isha reported that the wives of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to go out in the cover of night when they went to open fields (in the outskirts of Medina) for easing themselves. 'Umar b Khattab used to say: Allah's Messenger, ask your ladies to observe veil, but Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) did not do that. So there went out Sauda, daughter of Zama, the wife of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), during one of the nights when it was dark. She was a tall statured lady. 'Umar called her saying: Sauda, we recognise you. (He did this with the hope that the verses pertaining to veil would be revealed.) 'A'isha said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, then revealed the verses pertaining to veil

The guy is a Pervezi they do not believe in Hadith of the Prophet, instead they follow the sunnah and teachings of Ghulam Ahmed Pervez unanimously declared Kafir by the Ulemah of this ummah. He rejeted Hadith and claimed he was following QURAN only, after being influenced by Western Philosophies and communism He even did a hotpotched Tafseer of the Quran using own logic and western and communist philosophies. Perwezi are followers of a modernist cult.

Ibn Majah12

Narrated / Authority of: Miqdam bin Madikarib Al-Kindithat the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “Soon there will come a time that a man will be reclining on his pillow, and when one of my Ahadith is narrated, he will say: 'The Book of Allah is (sufficieint) between us and you. Whatever it states as permissible, we will take as permissible; and whatever it states as forbidden, we will take as forbidden.' Verily, whatever the Messenger of Allah (saw) has forbidden is like that which Allah has forbidden.” (Hasan)


Ibn Majah13

Narrated / Authority of: Ubaidullah bin Abu Rafifrom his father, that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “I do not want to find anyone of you reclining on his pillow, and when news comes to him of something that I have commanded or forbidden, he says, 'I do not know, whatever we find in the Book of Allah, we will follow.'” (Sahih)

[nemoforone]

I am at a loss when you say that the Hadith Bukhari is authentic when the scholars themselves say that the
Hadith Bukhari was not even written by Bukhari. The Sahih Bukhari that is widely accepted today comes to us neatly compiled
by Ibnu Hajar Askalani in the 15th century AD in Cairo - a few years before Columbus discovered America. And 570 years after Bukhari died.
And Ibnu Hajar based his compilation of Bukhari on Khushaymani who died 420 years before him. Khushaymani in turn based his compilation
of Sahih Bukhari on Firabri who died about 70 years before him. But this is what the scholars say. I did not say this. There was no Sahih Bukhari
directly from the hands of Imam Bukhari at any time in history. It is what Ibnu Hajar tells us from Khushaymani who tells us from Firabri over 570 years.

So please be careful before you quote anything in the name of Islam, Allah and the Rasool

If you reject the validity of Hadeeth and their station as a source of law in Islam, then we have nothing to discuss with you about hijab. You should go discuss with people of your religion (who base their lives upon what you base your life) whether it is appropriate for you all to do hijab or not.

We follow both the Qur'aan *and* the Sunnah, and thus we do hijab.


No further discussion is necessary. If you are still interested, please start a thread about why the hadith are known to be an authentic and necessary source of divine guidance, and we can address these fundamental issues there. You can also peruse the many existing threads on the subject at your leisure, the matter has been discussed on these forums multiple times before.