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Salam Alaykum,

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/03/07/u...ion-worthless/

LONDON, March 7 (Reuters) - A former British commander in Afghanistan has described the military operation in the south of the country as "worthless" and compared the campaign to the start of the Vietnam war.

Ex-SAS commander Maj. Sebastian Morley, who resigned last year in protest at the handling of the conflict, said operations were being undermined by a lack of troops and resources.

"I don't think we have even scratched the surface as far as the conflict goes," he told the Daily Telegraph in an interview published on Saturday, his first since stepping down.

"I think the level of casualties and attrition is only set to rise. This is the equivalent to the start of the Vietnam conflict, there is much more to come," he said.

"We hold tiny areas of ground in Helmand and we are kidding ourselves if we think our influence goes beyond 500 metres of our security bases," Morley said.

"We go out on operations, have a punch-up with the Taleban and then go back to camp for tea. We are not holding the ground."

In response to his comments the Ministry of Defence (MoD) on Saturday described the security situation as manageable and said the influx of more U.S. troops this summer would have a major impact.

"It is true that in an area the size of Helmand there is a limit to how much ground we can hold. But that does not mean we are not making progress. We are," the MoD said in a statement.


"BLOOD ON HANDS"

Morley, 40, also accused the government of having "blood on its hands" over the unnecessary deaths of four of his soldiers.

"I had to resign. I had warned (the MoD) time and time again that there were going to be needless deaths if we were not given the right equipment, and they ignored this advice. There is blood on their hands," he said.

Morley resigned after four soldiers were killed when their Snatch Land Rover, which he warns are unsafe, hit an anti-tank mine in Helmand province last June.

"There was no other vehicle to use. The simple truth is that the protection on these vehicles is inadequate and this led to the unnecessary deaths," he told the paper.

In response an MoD spokesman said that it accepted that Snatch was not suitable for high-risk environments but was adequate for everyday operations.

"UK forces are better equipped than ever before, with new technology and state of the art armoured vehicles continuing to arrive in Afghanistan," he said.

"The clear advice of commanders is that Snatch remains mission critical for certain roles." (Reporting by Stefano Ambrogi; Editing by Charles ****)

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an honest commander with integrity and humility

rare breed

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Here are the latest thoughts from current commanders.

6 October 2012 Last updated at 23:41 GMT

Afghanistan's 'green on blue' collapse of trust

By Quentin Sommerville BBC News, Kabul

As the number of Nato troops killed by their Afghan counterparts continues to rise - attacks known as "green on blue" - many are left wondering if the breakdown of this relationship will result in an early exit for international forces in Afghanistan.

In a circle of trees at the heart of the international mission's headquarters in Kabul, there are 50 flags. One for each of the coalition countries that make up the force that is fighting the Taliban.

Under the branches, in the early morning shade, a few hundred soldiers stand still, listening, as the names of that week's dead are read aloud.

The first was that of a Jordanian soldier, then a British sergeant and two British captains. Next an American gunner's mate, and two more sergeants.

An Afghan officer stepped forward. He read just a number: 31. The service is short, it barely lasts five minutes. There is not enough time to read the names of all the Afghan dead.
Sgt Gareth Thursby (left) and Pte Thomas Wroe Sgt Gareth Thursby (left) and Pte Thomas Wroe both died in 'green on blue' attacks last month

Some names give more pause for thought than others. Sgt Gareth Thursby and Pte Thomas Wroe were killed earlier in the month in Nahr-e Saraj in Helmand.

They were not killed by the Taliban, but by an Afghan policeman they were serving alongside.

As the number of these "green on blue" or insider attacks has risen, British soldiers have taken extra precautions. One is to be armed at all times, even when men are sleeping. These men are called "guardian angels".

In the Nahr-e Saraj killings the Afghan policeman looked like he was in pain. The British soldiers reacted with compassion. The guardian angel put down his weapon as he tried to help - and that is when the killer, the policeman, struck.

"Murder" is a word you rarely hear in war. Killing is part of the business, and is viewed by most as lawful according to international protocols.

But recently, the commander of international forces here, General John Allen, sat opposite his Afghan counterparts and said that while his troops were prepared to die for Afghanistan, they were not prepared to be murdered.

A quarter of all British soldiers who have been killed here this year were killed by Afghan police or army colleagues.

Some were Taliban infiltrators. Others, men with a grievance, who shot those they served with in the back, or in the face, or somewhere their body armour and helmets offered no protection.

Trust is collapsing between these two forces, who should be united in their fight against the Taliban.


The international mission suspended many routine joint patrols with Afghans as it sought to stop the attacks. A huge step, since Nato's strategy relies on training Afghans to fight the Taliban when most international forces leave at the end of 2014.

Senior generals and the Ministry of Defence claimed that this was no big deal, but few believe them.

One senior diplomat told me the switch would go down in the history books.

It could be a "game changer", he said. Afghan generals were furious - they felt abandoned and claimed a propaganda victory had been handed to the insurgents.

The Taliban may be cruel but they are also adaptable. "Crafty" is the word one marine used to describe them when speaking to me a week or so ago. He had just lost two colleagues to Taliban grenades.

When the insurgents realised they could not beat the coalition in a head-on battle, they introduced roadside bombs.


And now they realise that this war, already deeply unpopular at home, can only become more so if Afghan troops keep killing British, American and other servicemen.

"What do you say to the wife of a soldier killed by an Afghan soldier," a coalition general said to me last week. "There is nothing you can say."

The fear among those leading this war is that the relentless green on blue killings will accelerate the exit of troops.

The public is already sick of these killings and they could provide Western politicians with a good excuse to quit. After all, why hang around for another two years if the Taliban cannot be defeated militarily, and your allies keep shooting you dead?

A substantial and early drawdown of British troops is already being privately considered.

President Karzai might not realise it, said another diplomat, but you cannot underestimate Western fatigue with this war and with corruption here.

There is a shift taking place in the coalition's vision of the future of Afghanistan.

Speak to senior generals and diplomats and they have a view of what the country looks like after they have gone. Kabul and other cities remain in government hands, the east will remain as lawless as ever, and the south, well… "there will have to be some accommodation in the south".

What does that mean?

It means that the Taliban, in some areas, will be back for good.

One of the most senior diplomats here sat in my garden recently and sighed.

This is a war of diminished expectations and one where the West will never utter the word "victory".

He said, "Do not ask me if it was worth it, because it was not."

So what, I asked, was the best possible outcome?

He replied, "All we want is a country that we can forget about."

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Britain should have realised this when they were in the same country, doing the same thing back in 1839... (not to mention the humiliating loss the Russians suffered from '79 to '89).

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an honest commander with integrity and humility

rare breed

an honest commander who has recognized defeat.

had they been winning, would he have said the same thing? I doubt it.

He talks about blood on their hands. and that too because of some soldiers who were given the wrong vehilce? how about the blood on their hands because of unjust killing of the afghan people and the mujahideen?

if he had an ounce of integrity and dignity he would never have gone over there to lead and resigned instead.

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i dont see anything good about this article. he did'nt say anything honest not with any integrity.

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an honest commander with integrity and humility

rare breed

Really !? there is nothing honest or integrity about this article forget humility

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Britain should have realised this when they were in the same country, doing the same thing back in 1839... (not to mention the humiliating loss the Russians suffered from '79 to '89).

This entire war reminds me of the Empire days and what happened to the Brits overthere. However, considering Afghanistan's most valuable commercial asset, this affair is also a throwback to the days of the Opium wars Britain fought against China. For those of you not aware of 'The Opium Wars', please google it and read up on it. Similarities reagrds the key economic drivers are just astonishing. Then the British wonder why people in China still have issues with them.

Allahu A'lam

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This entire war reminds me of the Empire days and what happened to the Brits overthere. However, considering Afghanistan's most valuable commercial asset, this affair is also a throwback to the days of the Opium wars Britain fought against China. For those of you not aware of 'The Opium Wars', please google it and read up on it. Similarities reagrds the key economic drivers are just astonishing. Then the British wonder why people in China still have issues with them.

Allahu A'lam

We have a proverb in India - he who proposes goes to fetch the oil.
What about developing an article for SF on Opium war?
We should have a good collection of articles here at SF on standard topics.