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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #1
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Default Al Kauthar Institute - Is this Salafi?
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

Brothers and Sisters,

Is Al Kauthar Institute a Salafi organisation? This is their website http://www.alkauthar.org/

Could members of this forum provide their personal views and experiences to answer the above question.

I would prefer informed answers that are backed with substance.

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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #2
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #3
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al kawthar is a great organisation that teaches a lot of good mashAllah

I dont think there are many courses that will disagree with the deobandi aqeedah, the site you provided has a list of their courses so someone can correct me if they can name which course and what specific part of the content make them salafis
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #4
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What about Riyad As Saliheen rsiusa.org?
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #5
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I know of people who after attending a few of their courses have become your typical Salafis. Of course I am not generalising and this is from the few that I know. Also, in South Africa we have prominent Salafi figures promoting AK - that on its own says enough. These same Salafi "scholars" have on numerous occasions, and this is well known fact in South Africa, attacked Deobandis and Deobandi Ulama such as Mufti AK Hoosen, etc.

Definitely to stay away. Although we admit that they are doing good work :alham: and this should be awaken us to make an effort as well. And :alham: many 'Ulama are doing good work but in a South African context more can be done.





PS: I did ask a local scholar regarding AK and he has studied their course material, etc and he said AK are Salafi, if you like you can verify with him via www.rihla.co.za

Also I am sure AK and Al-Maghrib have been discussed on the forum previously at great length. Search for those.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #6
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The society is now very bad, people are asking for proof even if we tell them - Its Sunnah to fast monday, thursday.

I am from India. If my forefather would have asked the proof from Arab traders, today what would have happened to me?
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #7
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P.s. The Al Kawthar Academy is different from the Al kawthar institute thats being discussed in this thread.
The Al Kawthar Academy is the one in which Sheik Riyad ul Haq teaches(not salafi), I think its in Birmingham.
The Al Kawthar Institute is the salafi one.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #8
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I know of people who after attending a few of their courses have become your typical Salafis. Of course I am not generalising and this is from the few that I know. Also, in South Africa we have prominent Salafi figures promoting AK - that on its own says enough. These same Salafi "scholars" have on numerous occasions, and this is well known fact in South Africa, attacked Deobandis and Deobandi Ulama such as Mufti AK Hoosen, etc.

Definitely to stay away. Although we admit that they are doing good work :alham: and this should be awaken us to make an effort as well. And :alham: many 'Ulama are doing good work but in a South African context more can be done.





PS: I did ask a local scholar regarding AK and he has studied their course material, etc and he said AK are Salafi, if you like you can verify with him via www.rihla.co.za

Also I am sure AK and Al-Maghrib have been discussed on the forum previously at great length. Search for those.
Thanks for the feedback. Would I be right to assume that these individuals downplay the Salafi label to work among Hanafis (particularly Deobandis in the UK and South Africa)?
They claim some of their teachers are Deobandi - how does this all fit in?
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #9
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Thanks for the feedback. Would I be right to assume that these individuals downplay the Salafi label to work among Hanafis (particularly Deobandis in the UK and South Africa)?
They claim some of their teachers are Deobandi - how does this all fit in?
Yes, this is correct. They would not openly claim to be Salafi and from what I have heard some of their courses it seems as if they are accommodating of the various madha'ib. It is true that some of the lecturers do come from Deobandi backgrounds, studied at Deobandi Darul 'Ulooms, etc. This (downplaying the Salafi label, claiming to be Deobandi, etc) is simply a conniving and misleading methodology that they employ and unfortunately many have been lost.

On another thread our forum Ameer Saheb, Mufti Husain (HA) says:

brother

Is everyone in alkauthar salafi? I thought that Shaykh Bilal Ismail was Hanafi?
Wasalaam.

Originally Posted by Husain

Tariq Appleby, Bilal Ismail etc are all Salafi's.
there are institutes that our 'Ulama have set up such as Shaykh Riyadh al-Haqs Al-Kawthar Academy and As-Suffa Institute and others. The challenge is to take them out there to the public and there will be success.

Surely, haqq will always prevail.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #10
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maulana shamli I attended some of their courses in the UK by shaykh tawfique chawdhury the esteemed student of shaykh mukhtar ash shinqiti db from Madinah Munawara. I found it very good to say the least.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #11
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Yes they are salafi and hence best to stay away from them, particularly, similar to Al-Maghrib they use an insidious 'we are just Muslim' approach.

The likes of Bilal Ismail are sometimes advertised as being from a 'deobandi/tableeghi family' (possibly to draw crowds in south africa), but in reality people like him have studied at Madinah University and as Mufti Husain confirmed are salafi.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #12
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it does seem like they have changed over the years and and try to appeal to as wide of an audience as they can...even their teachers have changed in their stances....a lot of it seems to be marketing...but ofcourse Allah knows best

im sure some of their courses are beneficial, i have never attended them but recently i have come across people who claim to be students of these institutes and when it comes to fiqh etc their understanding seems well kind of non-existent

i have seen them making statements like

"i dont stick to a madhab rather i look for the strongest opinion"
err no you don't literally go out and look for the strongest opinion...you follow what your scholars tell you is the strongest opinion according to their knowledge

"I don't mind madhabs as long as they don't contain bidah and shirk"
This just made me laugh...clearly they don't understand what a madhab is

"I am mostly hanafi but i believe we shouldn't follow imam Abu Hanifah in everything..sometimes we can follow our heart"
because your heart which has no knowledge is always right

basically for the amount they are paying for these courses...the people i have personally come across are just ahle confused
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #13
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Jazakallah for the feedback. I think the style of operation of the Al-Kauthar group in terms of not wearing their Salafism on their sleeves and showing themselves to be Hanafi/Deobandi is problematic. This requires some serious work.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #14
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Jazakallah for the feedback. I think the style of operation of the Al-Kauthar group in terms of not wearing their Salafism on their sleeves and showing themselves to be Hanafi/Deobandi is problematic. This requires some serious work.
i have heard from a lot of people that Bilal Ismail is a hanafi? i even remember some salafis on ahya forum having a rant about him and why alkauthar was allowing madhabis to preach their stuff

maybe he is hanafi in fiqh and salafi in aqeedah
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #15
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i have heard from a lot of people that Bilal Ismail is a hanafi? i even remember some salafis on ahya forum having a rant about him and why alkauthar was allowing madhabis to preach their stuff

maybe he is hanafi in fiqh and salafi in aqeedah
This is what gets confusing. There are other members of the Al Kauthar teaching crew who seem to present themselves also as Hanafi among us, but then project themselves as Salafis among them. I think this dual-personality is more current among those of the Al Kauthar crew who happen to come from Gujarati-Deobandi communities. Any thoughts on this?
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #16
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This is what gets confusing. There are other members of the Al Kauthar teaching crew who seem to present themselves also as Hanafi among us, but then project themselves as Salafis among them. I think this dual-personality is more current among those of the Al Kauthar crew who happen to come from Gujarati-Deobandi communities. Any thoughts on this?
This is deception, and the one who deceives is not from amongst us.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #17
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #18
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This is what gets confusing. There are other members of the Al Kauthar teaching crew who seem to present themselves also as Hanafi among us, but then project themselves as Salafis among them. I think this dual-personality is more current among those of the Al Kauthar crew who happen to come from Gujarati-Deobandi communities. Any thoughts on this?
i don't know im not part of the gujarati deobandi community...but i do recall salafis on a salafi forum being very annoyed about some course that he did where he told everyone he is a hanafi

but i think they the type of 'hanafis' that are against taqlid shakhsi....and is what they promote...which is kinda irresponsible as they are preaching this to students who have no basic knowledge of fiqh from what i have seen of the students of al kauthar some of them don't even seem to understand what a madhab is
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #19
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i don't know im not part of the gujarati deobandi community...but i do recall salafis on a salafi forum being very annoyed about some course that he did where he told everyone he is a hanafi

but i think they the type of 'hanafis' that are against taqlid shakhsi....and is what they promote...which is kinda irresponsible as they are preaching this to students who have no basic knowledge of fiqh from what i have seen of the students of al kauthar some of them don't even seem to understand what a madhab is
I think their usage of the word Hanafi is in the literal meaning (as in monotheist) and not the common ('urfi) meaning, as in an adherent of the Hanafi mathhab. They seem to employ this lexical strategy to confuse the Hanafi laity. I presume not all Salafis recognise this and therefore criticise the Al Kauthar crew because of this. Their are also various strands within the Salafis and the criticism might be based on this. I know some Salafis who are particularly vocal in their critcism of the Al Kauthar and Al Maghrib lot.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #20
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Stop.

Next time, use a New-Sony-Voice-Recorders-ICD-SX712d-ICD-UX512-and-ICD-PX312-470x361.jpg and record their lectures. They are not even expensive anymore.
I personally stay far away from such 'learning institutes' if there is even a small doubt regarding their teachings. I'm more worried about the sisters' though, we really need to put in more efforts to make it easier for them to learn Islam.

The more I read about them (institutes) the more I stick with Tabligh. I think I have a plan to do something about ^ Also, there are many scholars (traditional) who are using the internet and taking Islamic courses. Stick with them to be safe.
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