[Nifoziyfar]

According to Robert Bruce words, when you are flying but having problems with gravity you are having an OBE, I´ve had many "dreams?" where I´m flying but can´t really control it so have I had OBE´s

[bWn4h8QD]

I think you did. They're not all exactly alike. I've had textbook ones with vibrations, conscious exit, floating, even a glimpse of the silver cord. In one, I was 1600 miles from home instantly just because I wanted to go see my folks (they did not see the astral version of me, though). I found out, however briefly, what being a ghost feels like.

Did you ever have a complex "dream" that felt as if it had multiple "Levels" you traveled to? Did you feel as if waking up itself were returning to the "level" you first came from? It probably was an oobe.

I have had ones where I tried to fly, but began to sink soon. If it were a lucid dream you'd have control bordering on being like a cartoon's antics. Here's an excerpt from oobe #13 in my journal. The full account is at my oobe journal at my website (see link in my signature) or I could post its entirety if you wish, for comparison.

Sightseeing Oobe 9/17/2005 8:39 AM
...I went to a City street in a place unknown to me, and walked for a while but wanted to fly instead. I began soaring over the city and out over the country. The mountains were snowy and the forests on them were a variety of psychedelic colors, and I felt branches brush against me as I flew through the trees. I rose a bit higher but began sinking, and I sensed my time in this experience was short. I landed softly. I could feel my energy for staying there was running out and then I woke up.

[Snweyuag]

Did you ever have a complex "dream" that felt as if it had multiple "Levels" you traveled to? Did you feel as if waking up itself were returning to the "level" you first came from? It probably was an oobe.

Give this thread a look-see, and tell me what you think.
http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1115

[DuePew]

~ i had a series of dream in which i flew around the town.. i just jumped in the air and startet floating aroun some 6 feet above the ground.. i had several such dreams and the feeling was so strong that i belived for a whole week that i can actually fly (i never tried though)..

~ in the last dream of the series i lost control of this ability.. i was floating off while my father tried to hold me.. is this the same thing? did i had an obe (before or after the dream?)?

[bWn4h8QD]

Originally Posted by esotericus Did you ever have a complex "dream" that felt as if it had multiple "Levels" you traveled to? Did you feel as if waking up itself were returning to the "level" you first came from? It probably was an oobe.

Give this thread a look-see, and tell me what you think.
http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1115 I wonder, then, are there levels of conscious that can be visited much the way that the planes can be in an oobe? Can we transition from dream to oobe and not know we did for lack of knowledge or adequate terminology?
The thread sounds like some dreams I have had. I've also had obes with visits to more than one location (ex. through roof, to sky, sitting on river, deciding on travel, appearing 1600 miles away...in a place family was visiting). What made it unique was that no one could see me nor speak to me ; they were completely unaware of yours truly.

Moderators,
Is there a contrast/comparison of dream/lucid dream vs. obe anywhere in this forum that can help determine with reasonable certainty what an experience is? I Think this would help to put them in the right category and to understand them a bit better. I've had plenty and sometimes you wonder exactly what something was.