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Old 07-27-2012, 04:42 PM   #61
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That's the argument.


Ehh, that was just the title to get your attention.
Yet, you've yet to make a solid argument for someone better.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:42 PM   #62
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As CPL pointed out, the "records" weren't too meaningful. They were being broken every day in Beijing.
Better to compare Phelps to the other guys in the pool in that race.

8 guys competed between France and USA:
Jason Lezak (46.06)
Frédérick Bousquet (46.63)
Alain Bernard (46.73)
Fabien Gilot (47.05)
Garrett Weber-Gale (47.02)
Michael Phelps (47.51)
Cullen Jones (47.65)
Amaury Leveaux (47.91)
So your argument for him being overrated is that in his last event final, out of 8 events, is that he didn't have the best relay leg? Well, you've certainly convinced me.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:43 PM   #63
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Eric Heiden's sweep of all of the speed skating golds in one olympics is more impressive than what Phelps has done.
its just ice skating.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:43 PM   #64
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Eric Heiden's sweep of all of the speed skating golds in one olympics is more impressive than what Phelps has done.
That's just speed skating.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:43 PM   #65
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As CPL pointed out, the "records" weren't too meaningful. They were being broken every day in Beijing.
Better to compare Phelps to the other guys in the pool in that race.

8 guys competed between France and USA:
Jason Lezak (46.06)
Frédérick Bousquet (46.63)
Alain Bernard (46.73)
Fabien Gilot (47.05)
Garrett Weber-Gale (47.02)
Michael Phelps (47.51)
Cullen Jones (47.65)
Amaury Leveaux (47.91)
And Leveaux is the only one besides Phelps with the standing start.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:44 PM   #66
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its just ice skating.
Damn you. That's like 3 posts in a row we've said the same thing back-to-back.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:45 PM   #67
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As CPL pointed out, the "records" weren't too meaningful. They were being broken every day in Beijing.
Better to compare Phelps to the other guys in the pool in that race.

8 guys competed between France and USA:
Jason Lezak (46.06)
Frédérick Bousquet (46.63)
Alain Bernard (46.73)
Fabien Gilot (47.05)
Garrett Weber-Gale (47.02)
Michael Phelps (47.51)
Cullen Jones (47.65)
Amaury Leveaux (47.91)
How about with the guys who Phelps competed against in his leg?

I believe only Eamon Sullivan from Australia was ahead of him with a 47.24 time.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:46 PM   #68
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Yet, you've yet to make a solid argument for someone better.
Well, he mentioned Jordan. I think that may have been more on Jordan dominating the NBA rather than what he did in the Olympics, though.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:46 PM   #69
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And Leveaux is the only one besides Phelps with the standing start.
Beat me to it. That's why legs other than the start don't count for records.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:46 PM   #70
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Wasn't just about every swimming record broken there?
i don't know. what does it matter?
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:48 PM   #71
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And Leveaux is the only one besides Phelps with the standing start.
4 tenths of a second in swimming probably isn't that big of a deal.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:48 PM   #72
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Well, he mentioned Jordan. I think that may have been more on Jordan dominating the NBA rather than what he did in the Olympics, though.
I would hope so since the Dream Team didn't center around one person. I'd venture to guess he was 5th or 6th in scoring on that team.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:48 PM   #73
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Yet, you've yet to make a solid argument for someone better.
I'd argue Jesse Owens but arguments could be made for many on that list... I've also suggested someone should analyze by how dominant you are in your sport so you're not at a disadvantage because of limited opportunity.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:49 PM   #74
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I'd argue Jesse Owens but arguments could be made for many many on that list... I've also suggested someone should analyze by how dominant you are in your sport so you're not at a disadvantage because of limited opportunity.
Are you suggesting Phelps isn't dominant in his sport and doesn't belong in the conversation?
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:52 PM   #75
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i don't know. what does it matter?
If he was the only one breaking records it would be a better argument. There was clearly an advantage to all swimmers at that time.



How about Jim Thorpe for greatest olympian?
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:54 PM   #76
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Are you suggesting Phelps isn't dominant in his sport and doesn't belong in the conversation?
In the conversation... no idea how he'd compare to other great swimmers in history like Spitz.

You got me thinking... That might be the more fair way.
Maybe make a list of greatest athletes in each sport and then rank them. Then the list wouldn't be all track-and-field and swimmers who had more medal opportunities.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:55 PM   #77
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Michael Phelps is overrated? Arguments like these are why I fucking love this joint.

Can't tell if trolling or just very very stupid.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:55 PM   #78
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In the conversation... no idea how he'd compare to other great swimmers in history like Spitz.
Awesome. So he isn't the greatest, but you have no opinion on who might be better.

What a waste of time.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:56 PM   #79
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Michael Phelps is overrated? Arguments like these are why I fucking love this joint.

Can't tell if trolling or just very very stupid.
I have my opinion.
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:56 PM   #80
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I would hope so since the Dream Team didn't center around one person. I'd venture to guess he was 5th or 6th in scoring on that team.
5th in average, 4th overall.
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