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Old 05-06-2011, 07:29 AM   #1
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Default Dog Designer Hybrids
Okay, not exactly pitbull specific but more general dog.

As I am sure you are all aware one of the big fads in the dog world is to cross two distinct breeds of dog to get a 'designer hybrid'

Most people seem to think that you will get a predictable result from this, at least for the first generation cross.

The truth is the opposite. Many times even in first generation crosses there is a potential for a bizarre mix of traits.

One hybrid I recently learned of was the Pugador which is a Pug and Labrador cross. In looking at pictures of that silly designer hybrid and shaking my head I came across the Corgidor which is a Corgy and Labrador cross.



These two are litter-mates. Note how one dog basically got the body of a corgi and the head of a lab while the other got the body of lab but the head of a corgi.

I find it interesting how different these to 'first generation' mixes are. All hybrids are really like this, it just isn't always so visual. For instance with Labradoodles because a standard poodle and a lab are about the same size they can all look similar. However many times the hybrids do not have the hypoalergenic coat of the poodle but this doesn't stand out nearly as visually as the size and head-structure do in this picture.

"Software" is also a problem with hybrids. The puggle is a Pug x Beagle, but you can get a dog that has the flawed head of a pug and the hunting desire of the beagle, but because the dog's head is a pug's head it's desire to detect scents is extremely negatively impacted and it's ability to 'sound' (the bark of a trailing hound) is also extremely negatively impacted. The dog's body cannot do what the dog's brain wants it to be able to do. It just isn't visually as shocking.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:32 AM   #2
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How stupid and pointless.The only popular one I've seen that makes any sort of sense is the Labrador/poodle cross.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:34 AM   #3
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The Corgidor looks terribly unhealthy... That's sad... I like Corgis a lot, they're good little working dogs.
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Old 05-29-2011, 04:56 AM   #4
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What really irks me is people calling them 'hybrids.' That shows their ignorance right off the bat. A hybrid is a mix between two different SPECIES, not breeds of dog. Guess they are just trying to find a way around calling their dogs what they are; mutts!
hy·brid   
–noun
1.the offspring of two animals or plants of different breeds, varieties, species, or genera, especially as produced through human manipulation for specific genetic characteristics.
2.a person or group of persons produced by the interaction or crossbreeding of two unlike cultures, traditions, etc.
3.anything derived from heterogeneous sources, or composed of elements of different or incongruous kinds: a hybrid of the academic and business worlds.
4.a word composed of elements originally drawn from different languages, as television, whose components come from Greek and Latin.

I have heard hybrid most often used to describe the intentional crossing of different breeds or varieties.

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i dont know if its been said, but the first picture is not real... and if it is, show me more proof that the picture is real, more pictures of said dogs. a quick google search of ''corgi lab mix'' shows niether of those dogs would look as such
The first picture looks fake. If you look closely around the borders of the heads they are different from the bodies'. That is a pure bred lab's head on that photo and one of the Belgian dogs on the other. I call B.S.. The tall dog certainly does NOT have a lab's body either.
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:00 AM   #5
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I like USEFUL mutts like Lurchers, but my god you seriously don't need to pay an arm and an eyeball for a frickin unpapered mutt. And Lab/Poodle mixes are pointless... there's such thing as a Curly Coated Retriever, so why waste your time mixing a Lab and Poodle? If you're gonna get a mutt, get one from a shelter. There's absolutely NO reason to buy a thousand dollar mutt.

And that shorter dog looks really messed up.
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Old 06-05-2011, 03:11 PM   #6
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How stupid and pointless.The only popular one I've seen that makes any sort of sense is the Labrador/poodle cross.
Nope. The alleged idea behind the "Labradoodle" was to get a service dog for those who have allergies. Except no one bothered to mention that the Standard Poodle would have sufficed. Large enough to do the job, intelligent for trainability and "hypoallergenic".

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Whats really sad is the GP is so into "designer breeds". I was walking Owen past the gas station when a girl (mid-20's) waiting in a car with friends asked me all excited if Owen was a "Doxle", the designer term for a Beagle x Dachshund. When i told her he was an AKC reg purebred Basset Hound she actually got all huffy. I think she was trying to impress her friends with her dog breed knowledge
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Old 06-05-2011, 03:39 PM   #7
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Here's the reply I gave on the same topic yesterday on another forum.

I hate the way the breeders tout the "hybrids" as healthier than purebreds when we all know that is complete bullshit. My Mom has two of these mutts. Sadie is a Chihuahua/Dachshund cross and has a very bad autoimmune disorder that makes her nose look like its rotting off. She has been on medications for the past two years and her situation hasn't improved. Stella on the other hand is a Yorkshire Terrier/Schnauzer cross. She has horrendous skin allergies and a very bad temperament. Other than that I just hate when people act offended when you call their Schnoodle a mix breed. "BELLA IS NOT A MIX BREED SHE'S A PUREBRED SCHNOODLE, I HAVE HER PAPERS!" Riiigghhttttt.....I don't know about you guys but I'd be embarrassed to own a dog called a "cockapoo" just sounds dirty.

Here's my Mom's "Chiweenie" displaying "hybrid vigor". Look at her nose.

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Old 06-05-2011, 03:58 PM   #8
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Designer hybrid.........AKA a freakin' mutt LOL There's a damn sucker born every minute. I remember when designer hybrids were people who were too stupid to keep their female dog inside during heat cycles and the neighbor dog got to it. bwahahahaha

Designer hybrid........GTFOH with that crap
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Old 06-05-2011, 05:42 PM   #9
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I actually spent some time with my first Labra/doodle this weekend. This one was a Standard Poodle/Lab mix. Sorry folks I was not at all impressed. Either get a lab or a poodle!
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:17 PM   #10
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I find it interesting how different these to 'first generation' mixes are.
It is interesting, but not surprising; considering that you greatly increase heterozygosity when hybridizing (maximized, of course, in that first gen).

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Old 06-05-2011, 10:55 PM   #11
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The Corgidor looks terribly unhealthy... That's sad... I like Corgis a lot, they're good little working dogs.
Note that BOTH dogs are Corgidors and the one that got the body of the lab but the head of a Corgi I am sure is perfectly healthy

BUT people see a hybrid that got a good mix of traits and assume that all offspring of that cross would be such.

As far as the Labradoodle, yes the idea of creating a hypoallergenic hybrid for a guide dog rather than just a Standard Poodle is quite relevant. However, most of the guide dog institutes have been breeding a specific sub-strain of whatever their given breed is based on how good they are at being a guide-dog.

A yellow lab pup from a guide-dog line is MUCH more likely to have the temperament to be a great guide-dog. Take an average lab from show lines or field lines and you may find only 1 dog in 20 at the end has the total package to be a great guide-dog.

From that standpoint it makes sense to cross in a hypoallergenic breed.

But actually the reason that the labradoodle gained popularity is because it was the one dog that didn't create a hypoallergenic response from someone who needed a guide dog after 33 poodles failed.The result seemed to set a precedent that was repeated. Interestingly enough the REAL problem is that most people with dog allergies react to the saliva and dander. Hypoallergenic dogs have the same allergens BUT due to tight curls and low shedding, they keep their dander in. Also, dander and saliva gets on fur, so when that fur follicle is shed it will transmit the allergens. In short, breeds are tagged as hypoallergenic simply hold their fur better. It so happens that the guide dog place took hair clippings and sent them to be tested, thereby side-stepping the HOW a hypoallergenic dog works. In fact, as a poodle's hair sticks on so well and holds dander in so well, once removed the average hair has MORE allergens, which is why the poodlexlab cross actually performed the best when tested
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Old 06-06-2011, 12:07 AM   #12
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The only designers I like are the labradoodle and honestly I just like their coat. Its not as curly as a regular poodle. But I definitly love the standard poodle more. Their cute, smart, and you can trim/dye them whichever way you want lol.
A poodle fresh out the grooming salon is beautiful
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Old 06-06-2011, 12:16 AM   #13
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yea there is like a hangin tree cowdog or some crap like that out there right now and its nothing but a mutt...even says 1/8 this dig 1/8 that dog 1/2 this breed...lol bunch of crap u have a mutt thats a good working dog...nothing wrong with a cross from a working dog but dont try to pass it off as some new great idea and a new breed lol

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Old 06-06-2011, 01:40 AM   #14
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Nope. The alleged idea behind the "Labradoodle" was to get a service dog for those who have allergies. Except no one bothered to mention that the Standard Poodle would have sufficed. Large enough to do the job, intelligent for trainability and "hypoallergenic".

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Whats really sad is the GP is so into "designer breeds". I was walking Owen past the gas station when a girl (mid-20's) waiting in a car with friends asked me all excited if Owen was a "Doxle", the designer term for a Beagle x Dachshund. When i told her he was an AKC reg purebred Basset Hound she actually got all huffy. I think she was trying to impress her friends with her dog breed knowledge
I mean makes sense as far as two dogs who were breed for similar jobs.
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:55 AM   #15
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Worst one I have seen so far? The bull-pei. Take 2 dogs with horrible genetic health problems and mix them together..brilliant!

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Old 06-06-2011, 01:58 AM   #16
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I don't have a problem with someone crossing two proven dogs of different breeds to enhance whatever their goal is in their breeding program. But I do have an issue with slapping two breeds together willy nilly, giving it a ridiculous name, and peddling it for cash.
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:59 AM   #17
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Worst one I have seen so far? The bull-pei. Take 2 dogs with horrible genetic health problems and mix them together..brilliant!

take one of those, cross it with a shi-tzu, and have a bullshitpie
i know, thats terrible
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Old 06-06-2011, 02:00 AM   #18
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I don't even want to know what that would look like...
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Old 06-06-2011, 02:12 AM   #19
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A guy in the pet store was so excited to tell me how he bred his female jack russel to his blue male ambully.. and this was her second little off of him..

What the hell is wrong with people!

OH I am glad to report that my friends chi/ambully puppies ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! We think she had a false pregnancy and her belly is going down and her nipples are starting to look normal again!!
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Old 06-06-2011, 02:25 AM   #20
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How did the female JRT survive that pregnancy???
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