[CKDIWEQ]

What are some tips, advice, and info that you as APBT owners can give someone looking to obtain a well bred specimen of the APBT breed that would like to be involved with Conformation and Obedience?

Thought this would be a real helpful thread.

Also if you have photos as a comparison of good quality vs not so good that would be great too!

[Dr.Hoodoba]

For me, I want to see a good majority of the dogs in a gamebred's ped that have been featured in the SDJ Book of Champions. The more gamedogs (with wins), the better. Its nice to see ADBA champs, but one does not usually pop up often (close up) in a true gamebred's pedigree. I could give a hoot about show lines, personally. Now, breeding specimines should meet conformation standard, IMO, but with show dogs you usually run into a form vs function dilemma.

[CKDIWEQ]

4paws: So what is the difference between Gamebred and Showbred? Is that like the same with labs where You have show lines and working lines? And are both good for showing?

[12Jasoumemoobia]

game-breds parents got w's or were matched and proved game (wouldn't quit and kept trying even if overmatched). show dogs are pretty. and bred to model the standard conformation.

[Dr.Hoodoba]

4paws: So what is the difference between Gamebred and Showbred? Is that like the same with labs where You have show lines and working lines? And are both good for showing?

Gamebred = out of parent(s) that were matched at least once, with ancestors also having been matched. You will find dogs with CH, GRCH, POR, and ROM titles, usually accompanied with the # of wins.
Example: GRCH Tant's Yellow (6xw) ROM


Show bred = out of parents (and ancestors) that have been bred to meet the breed standard, best found to have CH and GRCH (as well as Ace in ADBA) show titles.
Example: ADBA GRCH UKC CH ACE UWP 'PR' Victorino's Rebels Red Ace DNA-P



Both are, essentially, APBTs in breed, however their "style" can vary, as the gamebreds weren't bred to look pretty and the show line dogs were not bred to be matched. So, yes, it is like what was I was saying about Labradors in another thread. Both "styles" can be shown, some are just more successful in one registry than another.

[acceraStoof]

i wouldnt jump in on a first litter out of the dam or the sire. look at what the parents have produced in the past...
that should give you an idea of what to expect from a litter.

[Dr.Hoodoba]

i wouldnt jump in on a first litter out of the dam or the sire. look at what the parents have produced in the past...
that should give you an idea of what to expect from a litter.

[CKDIWEQ]

Gamebred = out of parent(s) that were matched at least once, with ancestors also having been matched. You will find dogs with CH, GRCH, POR, and ROM titles, usually accompanied with the # of wins.
Example: GRCH Tant's Yellow (6xw) ROM


Show bred = out of parents (and ancestors) that have been bred to meet the breed standard, best found to have CH and GRCH (as well as Ace in ADBA) show titles.
Example: ADBA GRCH UKC CH ACE UWP 'PR' Victorino's Rebels Red Ace DNA-P



Both are, essentially, APBTs in breed, however their "style" can vary, as the gamebreds weren't bred to look pretty and the show line dogs were not bred to be matched. So, yes, it is like what was I was saying about Labradors in another thread. Both "styles" can be shown, some are just more successful in one registry than another.

Hey Thanks

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i wouldnt jump in on a first litter out of the dam or the sire. look at what the parents have produced in the past...
that should give you an idea of what to expect from a litter.

Thanks that is good advice.

Personally its going to be a long time before I have my dog for showing and what not. I'm not even sure my breed will be the APBT. I would like it to be but there are a lot of factors involved and what happens over the course of the next few years. I did however feel this thread would be a good learning tool for me and anyone else considering this in the future. So far very helpful and informative answers. Thank you!

[gIWnXYkw]

Like someone else said, production is high in the tops ten quality for either style. If the dog can't produce, it ain't worth sht in my book.

[cliceperperIa]

For obedience, a nice mellow pet will probably have enough drive to be easily trained, yet still have ears on its head when it sees a distraction.

Depends where you want to show, but get a dog from successful dogs in the field you hope to achieve in. They are diverging all the time so what is good in one arena is likely to get nowhere in another. You could bring in the pittest dog in the county and get nowhere in a show. Seen it happen...

[Pippoles]

i wouldnt jump in on a first litter out of the dam or the sire. look at what the parents have produced in the past...
that should give you an idea of what to expect from a litter.

I agree Lee D.

[kneexyFreedly]

Gamebred = out of parent(s) that were matched at least once, with ancestors also having been matched. You will find dogs with CH, GRCH, POR, and ROM titles, usually accompanied with the # of wins.
Example: GRCH Tant's Yellow (6xw) ROM


Show bred = out of parents (and ancestors) that have been bred to meet the breed standard, best found to have CH and GRCH (as well as Ace in ADBA) show titles.
Example: ADBA GRCH UKC CH ACE UWP 'PR' Victorino's Rebels Red Ace DNA-P



Both are, essentially, APBTs in breed, however their "style" can vary, as the gamebreds weren't bred to look pretty and the show line dogs were not bred to be matched. So, yes, it is like what was I was saying about Labradors in another thread. Both "styles" can be shown, some are just more successful in one registry than another.

In other words, gamebred means they were bred to PERform and showbreds were bred to CONform? Something I saw somewhere on the internet anyway, lol.

[CKDIWEQ]

I know you shouldn't base any decisions at all on looks. But I will say the gamebred in my opinion is the better looking dog atleast in those examples. So if I am understanding correctly gamebred would not do good in conformation? And if I was wanting to get into conformation I would need the Show bred?

And to bring up another question. What are the best lines?



And what would one expect to pay for a wellbred APBT?

[acceraStoof]

So if I am understanding correctly gamebred would not do good in conformation? And if I was wanting to get into conformation I would need the Show bred?

on the contrary, Gamblers GrCh Virgil competed in two conformation shows and took 2nd in large classes both times.

as for the best lines, if i wanted to buy a dog for the show ring, id get ahold of Lou Colby and send a deposit for a pup NOW, because there is usually several people waiting as well. the Colby dogs are flashy as hell and draw alot of attention anywhere they go. dont quote me, but i think its $800 picked up and $1400 shipped.