[JANALA]

Ok guys this is going to sound really weird. I know nothing about papers but please bare with me.

A friend on another forum has brought an "Am Staff" from a reg breeder over here.

Here is his website......Andonas Kennels - American Staffordshire Terrier

would you say they are more Am Bully? He is more of a puppy mill breeder from the info I have researched and has health issues with some of his litters.

Im getting a copy of the reg paper sent to me via email. I will see if it ok to post it here?

In the meantime any suggestions?

[Brutton]

I looked at the site and I lean towards AmBully for sure.

[JANALA]

Ok so how is it possible the re papers say Am Staff?

Can he get around that?

[Fegemiembendy]

ive looked at the dogs from there aswell when i was looking to buy a amstaff.
i sent him a few emails about his dogs saying they dont look like amstaffs at all. he got really angry and yelled saying they are pure amstaff many from US lines lol
but to me they look ambully aswell n some look eeven mixed with other breeds
oh and he is definitly a pupply mill breeder. forever having litters available constantly and told me whatever colour, size i wanted he will have ready

[Brutton]

Look at this site and see if it helps. http://www.realpitbull.com/bully.html

[Fdmnrnba]

do they have akc paper work?
to be honest-i like his dogs. there not toed out and there like tanks.
i loved his video. I would buy one from them...lol. And that for me is saying a lot, but I liked his site. But he may be a puppy peddler he has a lot of dogs and a lot of puppies! they dont health test and thats no good.

[halfstreet]

They almost look like Am Staff show Staffy crosses.

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Ok so how is it possible the re papers say Am Staff?

Because RE dogs started as Am Staff mixes. Some APBT lines are dual registered as Am Staffs. The American Bully Kennel club is new so all the dogs being registered with them will have either APBT papers or Am Staff papers although some would be hung papers and not legit.

[Fdmnrnba]

yes look like sbt mixed in!

[JANALA]

Ok so I have a copy of the papers registered with the Australian National Kennel Council.

Not sure how to post it though as its a TIFF image??? any suggestions???

I have also tried searching for the Dame on the papers as she is not on his website although her prefix is Andonas. Any idea of how to find out more about her?

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They almost look like Am Staff show Staffy crosses.[COLOR="Silver"]
Because RE dogs started as Am Staff mixes. Some APBT lines are dual registered as Am Staffs. The American Bully Kennel club is new so all the dogs being registered with them will have either APBT papers or Am Staff papers although some would be hung papers and not legit.

Hi Zoe are you able to say that all in layman's terms? lol I'm not dumb really but I have no idea what I'm on about. Thats why I started the thread!

Il also see if I can get a pick of the dog specifically in question....oh hang on I can post a link.....

Blue Pics - Australian Purebreed & Crossbreed Dog Forum

This is the link to a thread on another forum..it has her picks up.

She is 8 months(?) I think and she also has a "docked" tail which she was born with due to a birth defect.

[JANALA]

bump

[excivaamome]

I am looking at the kennel's website and nowhere near I see a single mentioning that their puppies are health tested, and to top it all off it looks like any other Am Bully kennel advertised over myspace.

[ChicasCams]

its called paper hanging and its nothing new most AmBully breeders call them APBTs this one just decided to go the other way

[finasteridonline]

i loved his video. I would buy one from them...lol..

You'd support a horrible breeder because the dogs look good....? Am I misunderstanding you?



As Budboy said...

[casinobonyanes]

the most ambully thing about them is that they have a dog named "preditor" instead of preadator. lol. they deffinately lean towards bully status, but very possibly could be amstaffs.

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predator

[retyopj]

.....and "definitely"

Screams bully to me.

[Blelidupgerie]

Ok so how is it possible the re papers say Am Staff?

Can he get around that?

There is nothing official about "American Bullies". They don't have a legit registry that is recognized by anyone, yet.

Carla

[casinobonyanes]

.....and "definitely"

Screams bully to me.

haha that's a tricky one though, i spelled it wrong too. haha

[JANALA]

Ok I am totally lost now!

Some are saying they can "hang" papers to read Am Staffs and some are saying they cant.

How do I post a pic on here of the papers?

BTW not sure how you will react considering none of the dames or sirs (immediate or further down the line) are Champs. Which I have noticed from most of the papers that are on here have.

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Also can someone please tell me how you get an Am Bully? What breeds are crossed to make one?

I have actually been to the kennel in question and he has STATED to me and SHOWED me an APBT bitch that he was trying to put his stud over. He was pissed because she was dog aggressive and would let his male near her.

Beautiful fawn girl she was too although a little bit large for my liking but DEFINATELY an APBT.

Can you get Am Bully from APBT X Am staff?]

How is he crossing "Am Staffs" with APBT's and still getting Pure Am Staff papers??
is it the "hung" papers again?

[tq4F7YKs]

as there are no pure AST. looks to bully from ... In Germany, there are also club one of the AST breed, but not pure. they mix pure pit bull. But these dogs make good performances, which I do not think the bullytyp.
http://www.1astc.de/

[excivaamome]

From the AST stand point, the dogs can be registered with both AKC (American Kennel Club) as AST's, and UKC (United Kennel Club) as APBT's. A far as AmBully's are concerned, there are a bunch of them registered with ADBA as APBT's and hence the confusion. People who study and know the bloodlines can tell if you have an AST, APBT or AmBully on your hands based on the pedigree. But again, you cannot be sure everyone did their due diligence properly registering their litters and dogs.