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01-17-2010, 04:04 AM | #1 |
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In my own Opinion I feel that Apbt's are not the same of yesterdays Apbts, yesterdays Apbts was bull baiting and pit-fighting for "Sport". Its one thing for you pit to do the weight pull, and another to face certain death very often like the pits of yesterday way back when. How can you really tell if your pit still have that gameness of yesterdays pits, you really cant unless you abusing your animal in dog fighting which I'm sure most of us do not participate in. Me personally I really don't know If my Pup is Apbt or Bully but she is a show stopper and loves peoples at only 2 month. I guess it would be cool if my dog had gameness, I suppose I could use it as pride or bragging right but the trait is something I personally would not use really, dose my dog need to have " Gameness" to play fetch or tackle the spring pole, don't think so. "There is no way you can tell by looking at a pit bull whether it is deeply game or not. The only test--and for many years the main criterion for selecting a dog for breeding purposes--is actually fighting the dog to see how it stands up to other dogs that have likewise already proven their gameness in the pit" so in that quote is purely a no go for most of use. I'm sure some of use might think we have the most games pit out their because of papers, pedigree and bloodline and what not. Courage, Can do Attitude in the face of certainly death despite, mortal wounds, injured limbs etc etc most of use will never know. IF you want to know how game your dog is you put him in the pit against a very proven game pit end of story. And that is something I can live with out, I love my pup very much for what she is, will I test her endurance sure will, will I test her can do attitude sure but I would never put her in the situation of proving her gameness in the Pit, which these dogs was breed to Prove themselves in.
I for one have witness brutal pit fights in the mid to late 80s and early 90's when I was young living in South Central Los Angeles, I don't condone it it cruel but yes i have seen first hand what this breed can do in the "pit" against other dogs. I'm 30 now but its just something that I group up around and stumbled across one day. The first time I was about 7yrs old in my friends backyard and notice across the ally some commotion going on it was pits fighting in the back yard, I remember this black pit would not break loose from the other dog, the guy took a 2x4 of the dogs head until the board broke dog still did not let go. My second experience was when I was about 12 dude next door had to pits Apache and Luther father and son pits he would fight them at least every week, I would not dare say any to them people they was straight drug dealers and grown @ss men. Great Article to Read http://www.nyx.net/~mbur/apbtfaqfaq.html That is my Baby Girl @bottom at 8 Weeks and 1 day 90% potty train and Luvs Tug of War |
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01-17-2010, 04:10 AM | #2 |
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IF you want to know how game your dog is you put him in the pit against a very proven game pit end of story. And that is something I can live with out, I love my pup very much for what she is, will I test her endurance sure will, will I test her can do attitude sure but I would never put her in the situation of proving her gameness in the Pit, which these dogs was breed to Prove themselves in. Great post, beautiful dogs. |
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01-17-2010, 05:01 AM | #4 |
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If done right I don't think it is any more cruel then a boxing match or ufc fight. |
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01-17-2010, 05:04 AM | #5 |
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Say this is true. Well who does it right? Who really ever has? Cruelty or not aside, dogfighting has traditionally been a gambling enterprise. People are not (nor have they traditionally ever been) doing it just for the betterment of the breed. |
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01-17-2010, 05:12 AM | #6 |
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I personally don't care to find out if my own dogs are game. As far as I am concerned, they are not, and that's how it will stay. However, I would like a dog that I know came from game lines.
Why? The same reason, if I ever got a retriever and had zero plans of duck hunting, I'd want a dog of whatever breed closest to its truest form. I'd look for two retrievers that have a lineage of great hunters. |
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01-17-2010, 05:18 AM | #7 |
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This is one of the most untrue statements I have heard about dogs in awhile. You don't get in the hall of fame for making a Gr.Ch. That's all it's ever been about is the dogs. More do it right then you know, obviously. If you don't know who is doing it right, then chances are you will never know because they don't talk about it.
Say this is true. Well who does it right? Who really ever has? Cruelty or not aside, dogfighting has traditionally been a gambling enterprise. People are not (nor have they traditionally ever been) doing it just for the betterment of the breed. |
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01-17-2010, 05:38 AM | #8 |
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If it is regulated like any other sport, the governing body would ensure that safety of the competitors come first. As for gambling, what sport isn't being gambled on. ---------- Post added at 10:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:23 PM ---------- This is one of the most untrue statements I have heard about dogs in awhile. You don't get in the hall of fame for making a Gr.Ch. That's all it's ever been about is the dogs. More do it right then you know, obviously. If you don't know who is doing it right, then chances are you will never know because they don't talk about it. ---------- Post added at 10:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:30 PM ---------- Anyhow back on track. Sorry for my part in turning it into a debate about whether "dogfighting is right" or not. There are threads like this ad nauseum in the debates section and elsewhere. In terms of this thread I am saying hat's off to the OP, for caring more about his(/her?) dogs than the "sport" that created them. |
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01-17-2010, 06:00 AM | #10 |
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I'm new to this breed of dog, I have not had a pup since 88' my dad bought me and my brother two blue tick coon-hound when we live in the rural area of east Texas. When I bought this up only thing I knew about it was they called it a "pit bull" and she was cute as could be very excited about here, she is so playful with strangers because when I walk her people rub her and play with her and she wags that tail so fiercely its funny. But I really want to make sure she is well socialized with people. anyway back on subject the sport is just to brutal to be sanction as a legalized sport at least here in the states. I don't think you can compare Sharpe teeth to boxing gloves, Pits Rip,twist,yank,Jerk and shake endlessly if put in the situation in the pits. IMO they have a tendency not to want to let go once they get a hold of something well at least not like other breeds of dog. I just adore the breed and what the breed is capable of Endless bravery and tenacity NEVER Ever willing to give up and run aways. And thx for commenting on my first thread lol..
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01-17-2010, 06:08 AM | #11 |
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They wag their tail the whole time in enjoyment. The only thing a good pit dog cares about is biting. A good pit dog is tougher then any human being could ever dream of being.
I'm new to this breed of dog, I have not had a pup since 88' my dad bought me and my brother two blue tick coon-hound when we live in the rural area of east Texas. When I bought this up only thing I knew about it was they called it a "pit bull" and she was cute as could be very excited about here, she is so playful with strangers because when I walk her people rub her and play with her and she wags that tail so fiercely its funny. But I really want to make sure she is well socialized with people. anyway back on subject the sport is just to brutal to be sanction as a legalized sport at least here in the states. I don't think you can compare Sharpe teeth to boxing gloves, Pits Rip,twist,yank,Jerk and shake endlessly if put in the situation in the pits. IMO they have a tendency not to want to let go once they get a hold of something well at least not like other breeds of dog. I just adore the breed and what the breed is capable of Endless bravery and tenacity NEVER Ever willing to give up and run aways. And thx for commenting on my first thread lol.. |
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01-17-2010, 06:26 AM | #12 |
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01-17-2010, 06:38 AM | #13 |
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They wag their tail the whole time in enjoyment. The only thing a good pit dog cares about is biting. A good pit dog is tougher then any human being could ever dream of being. |
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01-17-2010, 06:50 AM | #14 |
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01-17-2010, 06:56 AM | #15 |
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01-17-2010, 06:56 AM | #16 |
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dude saw some drug dealers in LA fight dogs, and a dude that fought his own dogs weekly, that isn't the history of the breed, that's some ghetto idiot. Dogmen made the breed. YOu know all those dogs with xw by their name? well if they had a higher number than one chances are their owner wasn't too cruel to them. I talked to a dogman, he wouldn't fight his dog more than once in an 8 month span, plenty of time to heal and recover. That was a real dogman, from the 70s and 80s. And again buddysmom, do you own any pit bulls?
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01-17-2010, 07:04 AM | #17 |
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01-17-2010, 07:12 AM | #19 |
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Basically, a pit dog, game bred, that himself is GAME. all he does care about it biting another dog, its there passion. |
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01-17-2010, 07:15 AM | #20 |
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So you don't own a pitbull and anyone who tries to tell you something you don't want to hear you just get all sassy about it. Huckle mentioned the two broken legs, that is the gameness...the dog doesn't care about his injuries, he cares about winning the fight, which he does by biting. Why did you say "again, no" you've never answered that before. Here's another question, why are you so concerned?
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